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Top Reasons why you are not getting nominated:

Nov 16 2006 04:59 pm   #1Athenewolfe

Here is a list I compiled with my lovely flist:

1) Have you made sure that your work is error free and quality?  

Post it at archive sites, use a beta and ask for help making it better. A lot of people say that want constructive criticism, but in actuality just want people to tell them it is good. So ask for help, acknowledge the help and actively work on improving the chapter. People are shy about sharing their criticisms and editing suggestions, because many people have offered them and then been ignored or the author has gotten mad at them. Understand this problem.

2) Still struggling to make your writing better?

Please check out writing tips in books and online. Writing does not come naturally. It is a trade that needs to be practiced. There is a reason why every college requires students to take English 101, and 102 as a minimum. If you were to actually pursue writing as a career you would have to take more classes, accept editors and learn to ask for help. This is said not to be mean, but for you to understand that every author has to practice, edit and revise.

3) So your writing is pretty good & you are still not getting nominated?

The next question is where are people reading your fics at? If they are reading it at an archive which does not list the dates that it was published you may not get nominated. Why does this even matter? Awards sites and people who nominate fics want to make sure that stories they are nominating are by active authors who will appreciate the award. If you have no date on your story then it could be several years old and you could have left the community. Without a date we don't know if you wrote it 5 years ago or 5 days ago. When archiving fics always make sure that there is a date and a referring url on your site (either your website or a live journal. Live journal is free and you can archive your own stories there). That was people will know you are still in the fandom.

4) More on Dates

You can still be nominated for fics that are older, the important thing is that there is a website or journal to link to so that people who are trying to determine if you are in the fandom still, can click on the link and check to see when your last update is. This is also important because some awards sites require that WIP's have been updated within a certain amount of time (2 months, 6 months, etc.). Final note on dates: If you have a website, please put dates on your site. If there are no dates, and no way to tell if you are active or not then people will not nominate you.

5) Another word on archives

Some archives are more likely to lead to nominations then others, as judges, award site owners, and readers tend to frequent certain sites. The bulk of nominations I receive or nominate myself come from three or four sites. I try to advertise everywhere - but some sites are more likely to have people nominate fics then others. Ironically, another site I judge at is composed of a ton of fics from an archive that I do not get a lot of nominations from.

6) Email

Does your fic have your email on it and does it work? Trust me on this one - if we can't find your email, or if email's bounce back your chances of receiving a nomination are zero. Furthermore, emails through hotmail and livejournal can get lost, it helps to have a reliable one like yahoo or gmail.

7) Availability and Readers

Where are you posting? If you are posting in places where people will not find your work then you will not get nominated. Cross-post. The more people reading your fics, the more likely you will find people to nominate you.

8) There is no place to link to your fic.

If your story is not located in an easy to link to place then you will not get nominated. Example: Fics archived on locked chat boards and Internet groups that are locked, judges might not have a password and will not get one to read your fic. It will be rejected. Also fics that are not archived into memories on live journal. Last, frame sets where you can not link to the specific page. If it will only go to an index page then some sites will disqualify the fic.

9) Socialize, make friends and respond to reviewers  

People are more likely to review if they know the nominations are appreciated. If you never respond to reviewers they don't know you care about their reviews. If you get nominated mention it and say a thank you even if you don't know who did. You crave feedback? Well so do the reviewers and people who nominate you. A simple thank you to people who review or people who nominate increases your chances of receiving another nomination.

10) Pairings

You write an unusual pairing that doesn't have many readers. People are less inclined to nominate fics with pairings they don't read. In this case you might need to search out and self-nom - people do it all the time. There are sites with specialized categories and ones that look for the unusual. Doesn't hurt to find them and nom yourself.

11) Self-Nominations

Don't be afraid to nominate yourself. Sometimes you might need to nom yourself, just to get the fic and your name out there and read. If judges and readers recognize your name from previous rounds, it can help you get some attention. However, I wouldn't do that unless you are sure it's an award-worthy story. You don't want them to remember that your nominated fic wasn't very good!

From my Flist: 

12) Note on having or asking people to nom you

Your friends, readers and reviewers should nominate you when they think you have a story that deserves recognition. However, I don't think your friends do you any favors when they nominate fics that really aren't award caliber just because they are your friends. Judges, readers, etc. will see those and perhaps dismiss any other noms you might get in the future, assuming, correctly or not, that it will be the same caliber fic. So that first, "your my friend and I want you to feel good" nom can come back to bite you on the ass if you have improved as a writer, or perhaps revamped a story so that it's better, and judges and readers don't bother with it because they were disappointed the first time.

13) Confirmations

Make sure that when you self-nom or if you know someone else nommed you and you didn't recieve confirmation about it, that the person filled out the form correctly.  A person not reading the rules, and thus filling out the form wrong is a common issue and often results in the deletion of the nomination.

14) Artwork

If you have artwork that is NC-17 you might want to include that with the author's note. Some judges are offended by art work that has nudity or sex acts. It might be an idea to put it in the top of any story that it will include this to prepare a judge or voter.

Please feel free to submit your suggestions as well!

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Nov 16 2006 07:25 pm   #2Guest

Well, based on this list, I seem to be doing pretty good! ;)  I will admit that I've self-nominated in the past. haven't won anything yet, but I definitely got more views of my stories. It really does take a while to get known when you're a new(er) author, especially if you start with a non-main pairing. I didn't write Spuffy until my 3rd story.

CM

Nov 16 2006 08:48 pm   #3Athenewolfe

I see nothing wrong with self nomming at all - as long as the story is deserving of a nomination. I have been known to self - nominate of course it always makes me feel better to recieve one when i have no clue who did it!


Nov 16 2006 09:56 pm   #4Guest

It does!

Caro Mio

Nov 16 2006 11:48 pm   #5GoldenBuffy

I did it once, notice more traffic to my site too! But nothing is better than when you go to read your e-mail and see that someone has nomminated you at a site. Makes you feel all warm inside. Now, only if I can win an awards ROFL.

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Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Nov 16 2006 11:54 pm   #6slaymesoftly

What you said!  Great suggestions.  Especially the ones about being sure the fic is accessible to the judges (*cough, pet peeve at the moment, *cough).  Actually, they are all important hints.  It's hard to single out one or two as being more important than others.

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Nov 17 2006 12:52 am   #7GoldenBuffy

Stupid question,

Now when you're a judge you have to read every fic submitted? Or are you assigned a certain number to read? 

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Nov 17 2006 01:01 am   #8Always_jbj

You have to read all the ones in the categories you are judging... and you try to read ones from the other categories too in order to give your Judge's choice.

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Nov 17 2006 02:26 am   #9GoldenBuffy

Ah, I see.  Thanks! :)

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Nov 17 2006 09:28 am   #10Athenewolfe

It really depends on the site - I have been a judge at few that required you to read every fic submitted.  Since that was a hunderd or more I had to resign my position as judge not possible. Other sites I judge at require only one category, but some like Fang Fetish Awards have a minimum requirement (we require 4 categories)


Nov 17 2006 09:37 am   #11Always_jbj

You judged at a site that said you had to read 100 fics or more!? Gah... that's insane... I hope they gave you a LOT of time to do it in?

Aim from the heart
Some will love and some will curse you, baby
You can go to war
But only if you have to 


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Nov 17 2006 10:45 am   #12Athenewolfe

Nope they only gave me two weeks - needless to say I only did one round.... Luckily I had read some before (it was spuffy only) - but I didn't do as good as a job as I would have liked.


Nov 22 2008 07:28 pm   #13spikeskat
I'm bumping this to the top, only because I'm updating Rogue Poet and a few of the issues I'm coming across are listed here. Most are related to the nomination process.

Email. I need an email address to let the nominee know of said nomination. Just linking to an access point on an archive where I can send someone a note is not enough, especially when I email in bulk. If you're worried about privacy, create a generic email that you use strictly for fandom-related stuff. They're free.

Rules. Please read them. They're not there just to skim to the secret word/phrase. I can tell when someone hasn't read them because I'll get a nomination for a human A/U fic when they're clearly not allowed for nomination on my site. Or, I'll get a slew of nominations for one author/story (by the same person) when there is a maximum amount allowed in a given round.

Link. Make sure I have a working link. I've had to "dump" nominations because I get stories linking to a "flocked" LJ entry. Just because you're on someone's flist and can read the fic doesn't mean I am or can. (I have bent this rule by signing up for an account at the EF archive because all my other judges have one.) If you're unsure, see if the story is posted on an archive and give me that link.
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Nov 23 2008 03:59 pm   #14Spikez_tart
I'd like to add two points (without actually having been a judge and knowing what I'm talking about, of course.)

I've read about 20 fics lately from various writers and the most frequest problem I see is "telling" instead of "showing."  If Buffy has a fight in your story, don't say Buffy had a fight and killed three vampires, go through the entire sequence - Buffy crept out into the alley and broke off a broom stick.  A vampire snuck up behind her and hit her on the head with a shovel etc etc.  It's so often the case that the story ideas are great but the showing just isn't there.  If your showing each thing that's happening, then your reader gets to "Be Buffy" or whoever. 

Second, there frequently isn't the slightest indication where the characters are.  Settings are important.

That's my rant for the day.
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Nov 23 2008 06:48 pm   #15slaymesoftly
Working links are important! As you can see from the above comments, judges often have limited time in which to read and carefully evaluate the fics in their categories.  Having to chase around through several archives to find a working link to a nominated story is just adding to the work (and, while I'd like to think it wouldn't affect my judging that I had to spend a lot of time finding a place to read the story, I wouldn't swear to it...lol) I will not sign up for an archive that I have to join to read, nor will I "friend" someone's journal just to be able to read a nominated fic.  It's important to make your work accessible and visible if you want lots of readers and lots of nominations.  mini-rant over

When nominating, keep those things in mind and try to use a link that will be useful to the judges, not just the one for where you read the story.  That may or may not be available to a judge.  LJ communites are usually open to everyone, as are most archives, but some are not. And personal LJs may well by f-locked. I think adultfanfiction.net requires some sort of registration indicating you are old enough to be reading there.  It's annoying, and another step, but not a really big issue I guess.
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Nov 25 2008 01:37 am   #16nmcil
this difference between "telling" and "showing", IMVHO is what primarily separates the excellent and fine fan fiction from - It is what think of as the tributaries to the large river.  This style of bringing in real life that your readers can connect with, what will make them use their own memories to your stories and allow them to connect with your character on a more personal and interesting way. 

After reading fan fiction for a while, and by now most Buffyverse ff readers have spent a lot of time reading,  it is very difficult to keep interest in a work that has mostly the simple linear telling - I think by this time most of readers have developed a higher standard.  I know that there are many wonderful and excellent works that do use this "telling" format - all styles can be effective and interesting when done by creative and strong writers, but in general Spikez_tart is right.
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Nov 26 2008 02:49 am   #17pfeifferpack
I love to nominate good stories and writers (and especially love to find those not getting the attention they should have).  The problem I encounter is that often when I am really excited to find a story I want to nominate I cannot find an e-mail for the writer.  Over and over this has happened and I really do try to track it down (look at all the "usual suspects" like LJ and archives and so forth) only to have to give up on more occasions than I'd like.  Once in a while I am so enamored with a story that I'll resort to the lj.com or here through BSV but I really wish all the writers would at LEAST post a hotmail addy!

Kathleen
Nov 27 2008 04:31 am   #18slaymesoftly
I've had that problem too, and have had to give up on a nom because I couldn't find an email for the author.  It's something for authors to think about, for sure.
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I am upper management.