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Apr 12 2009 09:21 pm   #1Spikez_tart

 

 

I REALLY hate the premise of this episode. JW sets up the whole Buffy universe then pulls the rug out and says oops I was just kidding. Maybe. Buffy is crazy! Or not! Grrrr.   On the other hand, some good Spike stuff.

 

After I saw this the first time, I asked myself is this just a retcon by JW or has he been dropping clues the entire time? So, I looked up the word crazy and there were so many in reference to Buffy that I had to give up. Insane and nuts are popular, too. Spike says she’s insane, one of the potentials calls her a high-functioning schizophrenic, not to mention the scene with Holden the Head Shrinking Vampire. Oh, and there’s a cuckoo clock at the miniature golf course. 

 

So, Buffy might be crazy and every summer she is back in the insane asylum and presumably chatting up the shrink about all her fun friends in Sunnydale. (Sunnydale sounds like a good name for a mental health facility, doesn’t it?) Doc says that Sunnydale is the “ideal” reality. Right. That makes so much sense. Almost as much sense as Joyce telling Buffy that she can be cured of hallucinations if she just believes in herself or something. 

 

The only persons connecting the two worlds are Joyce (until Buffy kills her off) and Hank (sometimes – when his agent is working). Everyone else is made up. Kendra, Faith, Dawn, Spike and possibly all the potentials (Kennedy?????!!!!) are Buffy’s personality splitting, then fragmenting. She goes catatonic and tries to commit suicide in S5. She considers committing suicide as soon as she gets back in S6. She’s depressed a lot, especially after she’s been dead. She jumps into the Hellmouth three or four times, I lost track. Ultimately, she chooses the crazy world. 

 

Here’s some points:

 

Buffy goes looking for Warren and his nerds and they spot her and cook up some magic. If magic is supposed to be so hard, how is that everyone finds it so easy to do? So, Buffy gets stabbed and we’re magically transported to the nut house where they have that creepy bed with the leather straps. 

 

Then, we’re back in Sunnydale and Buffy goes for a stroll in the cemetery. She walks by the angel statue. Why, because she’s dead and she’s an angel that’s why, even though on the angel score, she’s pretty mean. And, here’s Spike and they have a nice little chat and we find out that no one has talked to Spike since the wedding which was days ago and Spike, who’s supposed to be so perceptive says he didn’t see that Xander was going to leave Anya at the altar. 

 

The gang comes along and Buffy says something stupid about searching Spike for contraband. Right. Spike and Xander have a little fight and Spike once again indicates his interest in getting married to Buffy which possibly makes Buffy pass out. (Must be the thought of having to plan a wedding without a mom to do all the work.) So the gang hauls Buffy off home and we find out that Buffy has a kink thing for ice. Buffy tells Willow, oh by the way, I was in the nut house before. Sure, cause they’re bestest friends and tell each other everything, so it only took Buffy six years to come out with this bit of news. Hank and Joyce just forgot about the whole Buffy being crazy thing, cause what parent wouldn’t?

 

Then, Spike and Xander go out looking for the demon and oops! Spike spills the beans that he’s doing the nasty with Buffy and Xander doesn’t even figure it out! Wow, for a really observant guy, Xander is really not. So they drag the demon back to Buffy’s house and Willow cooks up some jungle juice in the metaphoric cup o’ luv and gives it to Buffy who’s sitting in her bed wearing her little white hoodie, cause you have to wear your hoodie when stuff is going down and does she even get up all night to pee? Spike comes in (out of the dark basement and into the light of Buffy’s bedroom) and threatens to blow away the whole Big Secret and Buffy decides she’s going back to the real world before Spike shoots his mouth off and to hell with Sunnydale. 

 

Then, several fun things happen, which reconcile me to this show – Buffy smacks Xander on the skull with a frying pan and Buffy chases down Dawn and duct tapes her mouth shut. (Oops, Buffy mentions that she happens to be sleeping with a vampire she hates. Who can that be? Guess Dawn was too distracted to remember that in the next episode.) Good times. I’m sure everyone noticed Spike is the only one who doesn’t get tied up in the basement. (Except Anya and Giles who aren’t around. Guess Buffy isn’t ready to deal with all her Daddy issues.) I have to say that I’m so sick of the Scoobies with their crappy problems that I was pretty disappointed when the monster didn’t get to eat anybody. 

 

Isn’t it interesting that Buffy “kills” her parents in both universes? 

If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Apr 13 2009 02:19 am   #2Scarlet Ibis
I must say that was most interesting to read, Tart.  And funny. :D

Brava.

This episode annoys me to no end for many reasons, but there was one highlight to it (I try to block out the rest of it, along with most of this season.  No dice, of course).

The beginning of the graveyard scene.  First, Buffy just happens to be patrolling what, yards away from Spike's home?  Funny, cause she's been meaning to stay away from him, right?  Then, Spike asks her if she cried, which, okay vague statement.  Buffy has her back to him, but she's facing the audience.  Fourth wall is nifty that way.  She pauses walking, has a "caught" expression on her face, and asks "What?"  So, she's hanging around Spike's crypt while not looking for him, and probably not thinking about Spike and his one time lady friend who he brought to the wedding that didn't happen, feeling the hurt "a little," with a bit of crying (at some point) to top it all off.  We get some emotion from her.  Though we don't see it, it's nice to hear.
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Apr 13 2009 04:09 pm   #3sosa lola

This is the episode where Nick and James kissed... so I adored it :D

Besides, it's the one that had "Willie-Wanna-Bite" and "King of the Big Exit", and you ask me why love those two together *huggles them*

I do agree that I dislike the retcon, especially seeing as it puts Joyce in such a bad light during S2.  (This episode reminds me of an anime I used to watch when I was a kid, about a boy who searches for his father with his friends -and his best friend, a blue pony called Blink- and after several advantures, we eventually discover that the whole thing was just a dream, everything and everyone are only living in his head. Imagine the disappointment, I felt so cheated.

 

Buffy tells Willow, oh by the way, I was in the nut house before. Sure, cause they’re bestest friends and tell each other everything, so it only took Buffy six years to come out with this bit of news.

LOL! I agree! Seriously, that should have been revealed in S1, not six years after Buffy had met her friends.

I’m sure everyone noticed Spike is the only one who doesn’t get tied up in the basement.

That doesn't sound good for Spike, since Buffy is tying up the most important people in her life; her sister and friends, once she gets them killed, she's gonna be free. The conflict is that these people are so important for Buffy, and that's why it's a hard choice.

What amazes me is how quickly the Scoobies forgave her.... which makes me suspect if Empty Places is even canon.

have to say that I’m so sick of the Scoobies with their crappy problems that I was pretty disappointed when the monster didn’t get to eat anybody.

Oh thank God that didn't happen, the Scoobies are the reason I'm watching this show :D
Apr 13 2009 04:35 pm   #4Guest

LOL, it's just a shame the kiss wasn't on screen.  Other than that, really don't like this episode.

-Tammy

Apr 13 2009 05:09 pm   #5Scarlet Ibis
What amazes me is how quickly the Scoobies forgave her.... which makes me suspect if Empty Places is even canon.
Well, why wouldn't they?  She was insane from demon poison...Not exactly free will.
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Apr 13 2009 06:54 pm   #6sosa lola
Well, why wouldn't they? She was insane from demon poison...Not exactly free will.

I think it's still free will, Buffy wasn't possessed by anything, just getting flashbacks of another reality. This is no different from the visions Xander had in Hell's Bells, and while it does mess with their heads, both still had control over their choices.
Apr 13 2009 07:39 pm   #7slaymesoftly
I disagree, Sosa. Buffy was delusional and suffering from a poison-induced psychosis.  She wasn't getting flashbacks (except possibly to the facility itself and both parents being around); she was mentally inhabiting a world in which she had completely invented Sunnydale and everyone in it.  She didn't make her decisions based on demon-sent visions that were over, she based it on her belief (or her desire to believe) that the world of her hallucination was the real one - the one that really existed and that Sunnydale was the delusion.  That all she had to do was end it, and she would be sane again and could go back to her normal life.  Xander was basing his decisions on what he thought might or would happen in the future, with no reason to believe it other than a (as it turned out) demon told him so.

ETA: Someone has written a gut-wrenching short story in which Buffy actually does kill everybody and comes back to herself in Spike's crypt, gradually realizes what she's done, and goes genuinely crazy.  If I can remember where or when I saw it, I'll post the link.  It shows really well  how badly things could have gone.
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Apr 13 2009 08:47 pm   #8sosa lola
That sounds like a delisciously dark/angsty fic, I'd love to read it.

I disagree, Sosa. Buffy was delusional and suffering from a poison-induced psychosis. She wasn't getting flashbacks (except possibly to the facility itself and both parents being around); she was mentally inhabiting a world in which she had completely invented Sunnydale and everyone in it. She didn't make her decisions based on demon-sent visions that were over, she based it on her belief (or her desire to believe) that the world of her hallucination was the real one - the one that really existed and that Sunnydale was the delusion. That all she had to do was end it, and she would be sane again and could go back to her normal life. Xander was basing his decisions on what he thought might or would happen in the future, with no reason to believe it other than a (as it turned out) demon told him so.

While I understand what you're saying, I still see the Buffy thing similar to the Xander thing, simply because I believe Xander had lived those visions instead of just seeing them -notice how he remains looking exactly the same thoughout while Anya and his kids age with time. Just like Buffy, he'd spent perhaps hours, believing that the future he'd lived through was his real future, and since he'd been having doubts all along it had affected his decision in the end.

Buffy wouldn't have tried to kill her friends if her life had been going so well, if the demon poisoned her in early S5 or during S4 - the happy Buffy times- she wouldn't have been as conflicted and she would have chosen her friends in a heartbeat.
Apr 13 2009 09:55 pm   #9Scarlet Ibis
Buffy was delusional and suffering from a poison-induced psychosis.
I agree.  Xander was shown visions of "the future," which he soon after found were false.  Buffy was poisoned, and the delusion told her that she could be free and leave the psych ward if she would kill her friends.  The poison gave her a fever, caused her to faint...Xander was just shown an elaborate glamour--it didn't effect his mental or phsyical state.
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Apr 13 2009 10:23 pm   #10slaymesoftly
*nods* I almost added that it would be easy to posit that Buffy's unhappiness with her life was responsible for the direction her delusion took. In fact, it 's probably inevitable.  The fact remains, though, that it was a genuine delusion.  The result of the demon poison sending her mind into an escape mode.   Once she was convinced (in the delusion world) that it was the real one, it took only the encouragement of the doctors to guide her mind towards what she had to do to rid herself of that unhappy world.  As she bounced back and forth between Sunnydale and the other world, her grip on both became shakier.  Joyce's "be true to to yourself" (or whatever approximation of that she used) was the kicker that allowed Buffy to snap out of it long enough to save the people she'd been trying to kill.   So, I'll grant you that had Buffy been poisoned in another, happier,  season her delusion may have taken a completely different turn - but she wasn't. She was poisoned in season VI - a time when being someone else, somewhere else would be incredibly appealing.  So, that's where she went.

I don't believe Xander lived the visions - He did in the sense that he was in them, I guess, but he was aware that he was being shown the future. A probable future, if he married Anya.   If he didn't realize it as it was happening (don't remember),he certainly did immediately after. His decision was based on fear of what might happen - not a belief that his wedding and Anya weren't real. The world he was shown wasn't one existing at that moment, it was a future world - a world that he could control the likelihood of it coming to pass. Which he did - by not getting married. End of any chance that world was going to exist.  He could have just as easily determined not to allow himself to model his father's behavior in his own marriage, or ask Anya to leave him at the first sign of it, or any one of several other possibilities that would have prevented those scenes he "lived" from ever happening. He chose to not marry her - thereby showing that the "future" he'd been shown didn't really exist.

  To compare it to Buffy's situation, I would think she'd have to be imagining a future Sunnydale in which terribly things were happening because she hadn't killed everyone when she had the chance.  And, in which she'd been given the opportunity to have a do-over.  She would have been killing her friends to prevent something worse that she thought was going to happen if she didn't, rather than because she believed they weren't real.

We may have to agree to disagree on this, because, while I like Xander, I think he's very fallible.  Buffy's fallible too, but, it's her show. I cut her a lot of slack for having to deal with all the things Joss and Company threw at her for seven seasons.  :) I think a world in which everyone thinks you're crazy to believe in all those awful events might start looking pretty good...

ETA - Didn't mean to ignore you, Scarlet. I started my response and got called away. By the time I actually posted it, you'd commented too. :)
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Apr 14 2009 02:37 am   #11Spikez_tart
there was one highlight to it  - No matter how bad a show is Buffy and Spike together are always great!  I like the interpretation that Buffy gets caught crying over Spike. 

we eventually discover that the whole thing was just a dream, everything and everyone are only living in his head. Imagine the disappointment, I felt so cheated. - Exactly, Sosa.  Cheated Cheated Cheated.  A nice lesson for all us writers.  Normally, I don't like dream sequences at all, and Joss turned around my thinking on that by the great way he uses them to predict and foreshadow and move the plot.  But this plot just stunk.

Buffy is tying up the most important people in her life; her sister and friends, once she gets them killed, she's gonna be free.  I took it to mean that Buffy would never kill Spike and that, unlike the rest, he's not expendable. 

Oh thank God that didn't happen, the Scoobies are the reason I'm watching this show  - Okay the monster didn't have to eat all of them, just one.   Not Xander, because having him and Spike snark at each other is too much fun.  Grown up Willow I could do without but I suppose she has to make Buffy's antidote.  Dawn would be best.  Everybody could pretend they really missed the little brat and be completely insincere.  That would be dandy.

Tell your friends, or I will - Is Spike being a little delusional here?  Buffy has dumped him and up to this point she's been actually pretty friendly, but she's shown no sign that she's willing to pick up their relationship again, so why tell the Superfriends?  She'd only have to put up with their griping which wouldn't be worth it if she wasn't going to be in a relationship. 

If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Apr 14 2009 02:43 am   #12Scarlet Ibis
Tell your friends, or I will - Is Spike being a little delusional here? Buffy has dumped him and up to this point she's been actually pretty friendly, but she's shown no sign that she's willing to pick up their relationship again, so why tell the Superfriends?
I think that had more to do with Buffy treating Spike in front of her friends as if she didn't trust him--the bogus and wrong "checking him for contraband" statement (and really, why does she have to explain to her friends why she's talking to him?  It's talking for crying out loud.  Not to mention she's an adult, and last I checked, Willow and Xander aren't mommy and daddy.  Though she fears them as if they are, and she's a ten year old), and right before that statement he makes, she says something along the lines of him not belonging or something, which is the message she is sending her friends (and Dawn, who's important to him) as well, which isn't fair.  I mean seriously, between the two of them, he was clearly the stable one...
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Apr 14 2009 03:40 am   #13Spikez_tart
Not to mention she's an adult - Heh, not so much. :)  Which reminds me of another one:

CORDELIA (to Buffy): God! What is your childhood trauma?!


If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Apr 14 2009 05:17 am   #14Scarlet Ibis
Heh, not so much. :)
Agreed.  It's just sad...I mean, you save the world several times and you're over eighteen--surely she can make a choice in who the crap she talks to without giving a reason. *rolls eyes*
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Apr 14 2009 02:13 pm   #15sosa lola
We may have to agree to disagree on this, because, while I like Xander, I think he's very fallible. Buffy's fallible too, but, it's her show. I cut her a lot of slack for having to deal with all the things Joss and Company threw at her for seven seasons. :) I think a world in which everyone thinks you're crazy to believe in all those awful events might start looking pretty good...

Nah, I actually see your point -you and Scarlet- I'm usually easily convinced. *what's up with the smiley faces? I can't post without putting one on, I love smiling*

Oh, I'm a huge slack cutter, I cut all the characters a lot of slack, if all the slack that is to cut. When I argued that Buffy's situation is similar to Xander's, I wasn't putting the blame on her. I actually felt bad for both of them, my favorite fallible characters, wouldn't have loved them so much if they weren't this fallible.
Apr 15 2009 01:58 am   #16Spikez_tart
smiley faces - the smiley's are broken, too.  Boo hoo! 
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?