Can anybody tell me what the offical spelling of Angel's son's name is?

I checked BtVS/AtS Triva site and it had his name listed as Connor but I've seen many fics that have it spelled as Conner.

This is a small pet peeve of mine because it bugs me when a character's name isn't spelled properly. I just want to make sure I've got it right. Any help is greatly appreciated.

My Angel Book States It As CONNOR ANGEL.... Hope that helps...You could also check here in the Trans~scripts

www.buffyworld.com

Can't imagine that Conner is correct. It even looks wrong, have never seen that name spelled that way. Also, all the trivia and script and whatnot sites (including wiki) spell it Connor.

I've seen quite a few fics spell Xander: Sander - don't think fics are a good source for things like that. :lol:

Actually, I saw a lot of fics at a certain site *cough* that spelled it Zander and I was like.... okay then, do they not remember this is s'posed to be short for Alexander?? LoL  Maybe they spell is Alezander or Alesander... hehe

LOL - It's Connor, as everyone has already pointed out.  Alas, fics are not necessarily a good source for info on Joss's world or characters and I'm afraid that there are many readers/writers come into the fandom who do not understand that.  Therefore, you get reviewers ranting about how the author has presented a claim incorrectly, or insisting that Angel is Spike's sire, or whatever because that is what they read somewhere.  A combination of ignorance (of important facts) and laziness (about researching before writing) means that you will find a lot of fics that contain major mistakes (including some real howlers -like having Spike call Tara "Glenda" instead of "Glinda" - although, come to think of it, that may be a fandom trope rather than canon, but still...).  We try to catch things like that before they go up here at the verse, but I'm sure we miss some. :)

I'm guilty on the Drusilla part, I totally spelled it Drucilla. I've seen some who spell it Druscilla, which really has me wondering.

"......insisting that Angel is Spike's sire, or whatever because that is what they read somewhere. "

Actually in "School Hard" Spike said "You think you can fool me? You were my sire, man....You were my Yoda!"

So when Joss made Dru Spike's sire he actually goofed but that's a different subject altogether. :)

Anyway I hadn't seen anything that gave me the proper spelling for Connor and now that I think about it I'm probally guilty of spelling it wrong in other stories. Damn.....but at least I never spelled Xander as Zander!  :)

hey, in the french version of the show, Xander's name is Alex...Which is making me crazy.  Since I started to watch the show in english when I was really young and then I would watch reruns in french.  Alex just doesn't have the same ring...

<i>Actually in "School Hard" Spike said "You think you can fool me? You were my sire, man....You were my Yoda!"

So when Joss made Dru Spike's sire he actually goofed but that's a different subject altogether. :)</i>

Really! I remember the yoda part of that line, but not the sire. Wow, you learn something new everyday. :)  Interesting, and does explain why so many writers do that.  I wonder if it was a throw-away line or something, because nothing from there on indicates anything other than his being Dru's.  Of course, on the show they didn't make as big a deal out of sires and childes as is done in fan fic.  I think probably 90% of what's considered "canon" in terms of the sire/childe relationship - including how to turn people - comes from other sources (Dracula, Anne Rice, et al) including the writers' imaginations. I've seen it explained away sometimes by Angelus having to take Spike in hand and teach him about being a vampire because Dru was so loopy that she wasn't up to the task. I do, however, subscribe to the school that says we go with whatever the flashbacks show us actually happened, rather than what a character might have said at one time.  I mean, Spike also told Buffy that he'd "always been bad", which we quickly found out was totally untrue. :)

I really think the most important things to keep straight are the spelling of names (obviously) and anything else that is well-established canon.  Joss did "joss" himself (or the writers did) on a fairly regular basis. David Fury acknowledged that during one of his talks at the Sacramento con.  Apparently whoever was in charge of continuity on the show fell asleep at the wheel upon ocassion.  :)  Or, knowing Joss, he just decided he wanted to go in a different direction and ignored what he'd already done.  I mean, who knew that there would be fans still hanging on every single word and scene years and years after a particular episode aired?

At this point, I think canon and fanon have become so intertwined that it is very hard to know where one leaves off and the other begins. The key, for a writer, is the believablity of the story. If you can sell it, it works - if you can't, someone is going to call you on it.

Well, he's always been BAD, just not what she thought he meant, lol. He was a bad poet, then a bad vampire, then just bad.... lol

ROFL at EAS

Spike mentioned again that Angel was his Sire in "In The Dark". (AtS season 1) After that it seems that the writers either forgot or changed their minds. (and yes I just looked this up)  :-P

"If I don’t get it pretty soon, I’m going to stake me old sire right here and now!"

I've seen it written that Spike was simply lying to Buffy about who his sire was because he was pissed at Angel for some reason. It seems to fit since Angelus has referred to Spike as "my boy", but those story lines were mostly in Angel/Spike stories.  :)

So you think Spike could have lied to Buffy about Angel being his sire cause he didn't want to sound all gay to her? Or maybe Dru did turn him, but was no longer into the idea of having a childe and so Angelus took over thinking it would be fun having another male around, to mold in his image?

"So you think Spike could have lied to Buffy about Angel being his sire cause he didn't want to sound all gay to her?...."

It really depends on which story I'm are reading. In some the authors make a convincing argument for Spike having lied to Buffy. Sometimes it's because they were lovers before and when Angelus got curse he abandond them without telling them why. This line leaves William(Spike) heartbroken and angry because we all know that Darla would never tell anyone that she was the reason he left. Then Spike finds his beloved sire years later swooning over Buffy. He's hurt, feels betrayed, and when Angelus comes "back" he's not the Angelus that Spike remembers but a twisted insane version of the sire he loves. So when Buffy asked about his past Spike lies and claims Dru as his sire in order to hurt Angel.

"Or maybe Dru did turn him, but was no longer into the idea of having a childe and so Angelus took over thinking it would be fun having another male around, to mold in his image?"

I've seen this story line in both Spuffy and Spangel stories. Since Dru can be easily distracted by shiny objects, Angelus took over being Spike's sire and depending on the story(or pairing) was either vicious and cruel or Spike became the only being Angelus ever loved.

There are also story lines with Dru starting to turn William and getting confused during to process, didn't finish, or something else happened and Angelus had to finish the job. This story usually results in Spike having two sires and the author explains why this is such a big deal. I've also mainly found this story line in Spangel stories.

I can easily believe any of these story ideas as long as they are well written, but this goes with any fan fic. If it's badly done it doesn't matter what the plot is no one is going to believe it.

I like this theory especially because of the kiss on the forehead (Angel kisses Spike on the forehead when he first turns up at the factory after sleeping with Buffy and going bad again and Faith kisses Buffy on the forehead after some fight they have, in the vampire mansion, I think).  Those forehead kisses are only exchanged between couples who get other hints of gay relationships.

There are  other cases of characters possibly being gay, Xander being the prime example.  Is he jealous of Buffy and Angel or Buffy and Spike, because he wants Buffy or because he's interest in the boys?  Also, when Xander sees the Buffybot having sex in the graveyard, he confronts Buffy, but says he understands because "Spike is strong and mysterious and sort of compact but well-muscled." 

personally, i like the idea of dru being too loopy to finish what she started...especially since it doesn't really conflict with the flashbacks we saw...in FFL, we saw her bite him...we never saw her drain him completely or give him her blood, like we saw in the flashback of darla's siring angel...

actually, i wonder if the writers did that on purpose to allow for either option, since by then i'm sure there had already been quite a bit of discussion over which version was accurate, and it would have been easy for them to clear that up completely there, if they'd wanted to -- but apparently they didn't :P

i like the idea of angel as spike's sire, for a lot of reasons...but then, there's always that tricky bit in "Destiny" in A:TS season 5 -- where Spike says something along the lines of "Dru made me a vampire, but *you* made me a monster" (which by the way is where i and others, i presume, get the idea of angel as cruel, sadistic sire -- though it tends to indicate that technically, he's not his sire at all :P)

This is the exact quote from "Destiny," even though before this Spike had said that Angel was his sire.(twice)

" Drusilla sired me... but you... you made me a monster."

I personally think the writers enjoyed the debates we had over who sired Spike and decided to screw with us one last time.  :P

Nah, I just think with having so many writers changing all the time it was pretty hard to keep everything straight.

For me, I like what Spike said in Destiny...that Lady quoted up above. Dru sired Spike but all the cruelty and violence...I think that was learned at the hands of Angelus. I do think however that Spike was gonna take his revenge on the asshats that mocked/ridiculed him growing up, but after that, I don't think he would have done half of what he did do had it not been for Angelus.

I agree, Space. The "torture as art" thing would never have been William-turned-Spike's idea on his own. 18 years with Angelus...you can really see that he either had to become what the family wanted, or be cast out/dust. Dru would have pouted for a bit if "Daddy" had staked her childe, but he would have distracted her quick enough, and she'd just find another one. As long as she had Angelus to turn to, nothing else would have mattered.

With Angelus gone, Spike only had to cater to Dru's whims, if she wanted something particularly twisted. Otherwise, I imagine that they just fed, had fun, and saw the world. He could have tortured Angel himself, but he hired someone else to while he watched and asked questions.

 He could have tortured Angel himself, but he hired someone else to while he watched and asked questions.

Exactly! That always stood out to me too and he couldn't stand Angel most of the time but yet had someone else do it.

Yeah, I think there were just some things he wouldn't do to family.....