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Buffy Season 9 Comic Books
Place to discuss all aspects of the new Buffy Season 9 - First issue comes out this Wednesday.
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Buffy in another round of needing to grow up and facing the reality of her life is not something particularly exciting. But I do think that the story will become much more interesting especially with this new Severis male character who is something like a Slayer. I also think that the demon character who has escaped his energy prison will be interesting.
Wish I could understand the need to keep Buffy tied to all crapola from her first love experience with Angel, which turned her into a total victim as both a sexual avatar and as a woman in the Twilight Story. Not this turning Buffy into the role of "pathetic drunken clown" trying to escape or hide all her guilt and dread over the destruction of The Seed and her part in the events of last season; and this teasing with another potential out-of-control sexual experience - I just don't understand Joss Whedon and A Chambliss are going with this treatment.
If Buffy has not learn from all the extreme experiences she had had to endure - what is wrong with her and when is she going to learn?
If anyone would like to see some of the more important pages - you can read them here: https://picasaweb.google.com/103058662790492748180
Wish I could understand the need to keep Buffy tied to all crapola from her first love experience with Angel, which turned her into a total victim as both a sexual avatar and as a woman in the Twilight Story. Not this turning Buffy into the role of "pathetic drunken clown" trying to escape or hide all her guilt and dread over the destruction of The Seed and her part in the events of last season; and this teasing with another potential out-of-control sexual experience - I just don't understand Joss Whedon and A Chambliss are going with this treatment.
If Buffy has not learn from all the extreme experiences she had had to endure - what is wrong with her and when is she going to learn?
If anyone would like to see some of the more important pages - you can read them here: https://picasaweb.google.com/103058662790492748180
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
I have watched the series from the beginning and watched Angel from the beginning. And with great anticipation I waited for the comic book series and bought the first two comics. And was totally hating it. I would drop in and skim the reviews to see if they got any better. NO they did not and then I began to question the greatness of whedon not. I think he has abandoned the series. And forgot about his core fans. He has fogot about as time goes on maturity does happen. nOW THE NEW SEASON IS HERE AND FROM WHAT i CAN READ NOT GOING TO READ IT AGAIN. I know I will just be disappointed again. So I will just stick with fanfiction and the more than great writers we have in the fandom. Much better and more satisfying
Cindy
Cindy
Sep 20 2011 03:56 am #5Spikez_tart
Oh brother - Buffy was born in 1981 (per her tombstone) which makes her 30. (unless they're pretending seven years haven't passed) Why can't she have some adult problems? Haven't got my comic yet and am now fearful.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Sep 20 2011 06:28 am #6Immortal Beloved
Wish I could understand the need to keep Buffy tied to all crapola from her first love experience with Angel
Word.
turning Buffy into the role of "pathetic drunken clown"
More word.
another potential out-of-control sexual experience
Word and a bag of chips.
If Buffy has not learn from all the extreme experiences she had had to endure - what is wrong with her and when is she going to learn?
Amen. I was saying to a friend the other day that we, as viewers/readers, can have sympathy for a character, but when they consistently make the same mistakes and do not learn from them and don't even try to better themselves, we can no longer feel concern for their plight. Worse yet, it appears that, not only is Buffy not learning from her mistakes, she's regressing in the maturation we did see on the show. Methinks this is more of a symptom of sloppy writing than of a character flaw. :-P In any event, almost all of Season 8 had me wearing my WTF face, and it appears that Season 9 will be no different.
Word.
turning Buffy into the role of "pathetic drunken clown"
More word.
another potential out-of-control sexual experience
Word and a bag of chips.
If Buffy has not learn from all the extreme experiences she had had to endure - what is wrong with her and when is she going to learn?
Amen. I was saying to a friend the other day that we, as viewers/readers, can have sympathy for a character, but when they consistently make the same mistakes and do not learn from them and don't even try to better themselves, we can no longer feel concern for their plight. Worse yet, it appears that, not only is Buffy not learning from her mistakes, she's regressing in the maturation we did see on the show. Methinks this is more of a symptom of sloppy writing than of a character flaw. :-P In any event, almost all of Season 8 had me wearing my WTF face, and it appears that Season 9 will be no different.
Give me Spuffy, or give me death.
Sep 21 2011 05:37 pm #7pfeifferpack
Essentially the Buffy of the comics is similar to Buffy early season 4 canon. All the maturing, the lessons learned, the losses experienced and the perspective gained are ignored. I can see the comic Buffy on the UC Sunnydale campus still in her black and white world but the Buffy I watched grow and learn and expand on the show is missing.
I know they like to do Spike as a non-lethal season 2 Spike (thus ignoring all his layers and growth) and Angel as well it seems (his complete disregard of Connor for example and his fixation on Buffy that the on-screen character got over years ago!). I don't understand the purpose of Riley at all...is he courting Buffy again? What of Sam? Why is he on the doorstep with Spike and Andrew???????? Makes NO sense based on character history.
On the plus side I DO like her roommates thus far and the idea of Buffy out of the hold of the scooby domain. I like Xander and Dawn and their growth makes sense thus far. I like that she is at least decent to Spike although they ignore her ephiphany in Chosen completely. I'm willing to see where they go.
I believe the problem has much to do with our perceptions vs. the perceptions of those in charge.....they always had a comic type "hey this would be cool" attitude while we've always managed to dig deeper.
Kathleen
I know they like to do Spike as a non-lethal season 2 Spike (thus ignoring all his layers and growth) and Angel as well it seems (his complete disregard of Connor for example and his fixation on Buffy that the on-screen character got over years ago!). I don't understand the purpose of Riley at all...is he courting Buffy again? What of Sam? Why is he on the doorstep with Spike and Andrew???????? Makes NO sense based on character history.
On the plus side I DO like her roommates thus far and the idea of Buffy out of the hold of the scooby domain. I like Xander and Dawn and their growth makes sense thus far. I like that she is at least decent to Spike although they ignore her ephiphany in Chosen completely. I'm willing to see where they go.
I believe the problem has much to do with our perceptions vs. the perceptions of those in charge.....they always had a comic type "hey this would be cool" attitude while we've always managed to dig deeper.
Kathleen
Sep 21 2011 11:25 pm #8slaymesoftly
Moderator
Essentially the Buffy of the comics is similar to Buffy early season 4 canon. All the maturing, the lessons learned, the losses experienced and the perspective gained are ignored. I can see the comic Buffy on the UC Sunnydale campus still in her black and white world but the Buffy I watched grow and learn and expand on the show is missing.
I know they like to do Spike as a non-lethal season 2 Spike (thus ignoring all his layers and growth) and Angel as well it seems (his complete disregard of Connor for example and his fixation on Buffy that the on-screen character got over years ago!). I don't understand the purpose of Riley at all...is he courting Buffy again? What of Sam? Why is he on the doorstep with Spike and Andrew???????? Makes NO sense based on character history.
On the plus side I DO like her roommates thus far and the idea of Buffy out of the hold of the scooby domain. I like Xander and Dawn and their growth makes sense thus far. I like that she is at least decent to Spike although they ignore her ephiphany in Chosen completely. I'm willing to see where they go.
I believe the problem has much to do with our perceptions vs. the perceptions of those in charge.....they always had a comic type "hey this would be cool" attitude while we've always managed to dig deeper.
Kathleen
Good assesment of the differences, Kathleen.
I know they like to do Spike as a non-lethal season 2 Spike (thus ignoring all his layers and growth) and Angel as well it seems (his complete disregard of Connor for example and his fixation on Buffy that the on-screen character got over years ago!). I don't understand the purpose of Riley at all...is he courting Buffy again? What of Sam? Why is he on the doorstep with Spike and Andrew???????? Makes NO sense based on character history.
On the plus side I DO like her roommates thus far and the idea of Buffy out of the hold of the scooby domain. I like Xander and Dawn and their growth makes sense thus far. I like that she is at least decent to Spike although they ignore her ephiphany in Chosen completely. I'm willing to see where they go.
I believe the problem has much to do with our perceptions vs. the perceptions of those in charge.....they always had a comic type "hey this would be cool" attitude while we've always managed to dig deeper.
Kathleen
Good assesment of the differences, Kathleen.
I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
I am upper management.
Sep 22 2011 03:47 am #9Spikez_tart
Finally got my copy compliments of the mail delivery from hell.
On the up side, Buffy was happy and fun and doing slutty dances and saying a lot of fun, silly things.
Title: Freefall. They really like the "Fall" idea at Dark Horse, don't they.
Cover: Okay, I hated the Buffy flying thing in S8 and I still hate it. What's she doing on top of the San Fran Bay bridge? Pretty sure there aren't any vampires up there. Maybe it ties in with the "fall" idea.
The first page bottom frame. Buffy is lying in her bed apparently naked under a sheet. There's a belt buckle and a pair of tan pants(?) prominently shown on the bed and partly under the sheets. She isn't wearing the belt or pants during any other picture of the party. Andrew (that is Andrew isn't it?) is wearing tan pants in the pool frame. (No!) During the course of the comic she asks Willow, Riley and Spike if they had sex. Then, when she shows up at work, her co-worker says "I told you last night not to come in. You know, after." Spike says "that's a bit harsh after last night." I assume she did have sex with someone. I wish it was Spike, but knowing Joss, there's no chance. Any guesses or am I out of my mind? Heinrich the Hermit in 2D?
Buffy hair and clothes - she's wearing a hair do last seen in Sunnydale High and a micro mini skirt. It's cute. It's juvenile. Where's the grown up sleek Buffy of S7?
Willow: Finally she got a decent hair cut and an outfit. She looks grown up, but she isn't. She's still whining that Buffy took her magic away. What is Buffy supposed to do about it now? It's over, months have passed, your cool toy is gone and it's time to grow up. And her hangover cure? Everybody knows it's a Coke and Micky D's french fries. I think sh'es trying to kill her best friend with that cure.
Drinking: What's that all about? I thought Buffy swore off the sauce after she nearly barfed on Spike's boots. The falling to pieces drinking herself half to death doesn't go with the generally cheerful mood of the story.
The Boys: Please please please not Riley again. Can't he do a nose dive in a sewer somewhere? Where's that Bitch wife of his? Can't she reel him in and keep him from butting into unsuspecting comic books? Andrew didn't have any funny/weird lines. Cute little riff with B and Spike about her making him beg. Where's the conflict - these two have always been at each other's throats and now they're pals. Snore. And the dirigible with the insects. That hurts. Also, Spike is macking on some girl at the party.
Overhead point of view. There are a lot of overhead views. Looking down on the apartment building courtyard; looking down on the dead girl; looking down on Buffy lolling on the couch; looking down on the demons with light spears cooking up a green ball; looking down on Buffy in the alley; looking down on Riley's van.
The green monster ball - at first I thought the monster from the green ball was the collection agent from hell, but now I see he isn't. Does anyone remember Vampires? As in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Dead girl: Finally! A plot! Assume it's a dead slayer and boy it's about time. Also, a girl is sneaking into San Fran in a Van! She's obviously coming after the Buffster. Maybe she can get kiiled too.
Collection agent from hell or somewhere: For plot lines this is the lamest. This must be part of Joss's plan to get back to the Buffy real life problems.
Sometimes it's really hard to trust Joss.
On the up side, Buffy was happy and fun and doing slutty dances and saying a lot of fun, silly things.
Title: Freefall. They really like the "Fall" idea at Dark Horse, don't they.
Cover: Okay, I hated the Buffy flying thing in S8 and I still hate it. What's she doing on top of the San Fran Bay bridge? Pretty sure there aren't any vampires up there. Maybe it ties in with the "fall" idea.
The first page bottom frame. Buffy is lying in her bed apparently naked under a sheet. There's a belt buckle and a pair of tan pants(?) prominently shown on the bed and partly under the sheets. She isn't wearing the belt or pants during any other picture of the party. Andrew (that is Andrew isn't it?) is wearing tan pants in the pool frame. (No!) During the course of the comic she asks Willow, Riley and Spike if they had sex. Then, when she shows up at work, her co-worker says "I told you last night not to come in. You know, after." Spike says "that's a bit harsh after last night." I assume she did have sex with someone. I wish it was Spike, but knowing Joss, there's no chance. Any guesses or am I out of my mind? Heinrich the Hermit in 2D?
Buffy hair and clothes - she's wearing a hair do last seen in Sunnydale High and a micro mini skirt. It's cute. It's juvenile. Where's the grown up sleek Buffy of S7?
Willow: Finally she got a decent hair cut and an outfit. She looks grown up, but she isn't. She's still whining that Buffy took her magic away. What is Buffy supposed to do about it now? It's over, months have passed, your cool toy is gone and it's time to grow up. And her hangover cure? Everybody knows it's a Coke and Micky D's french fries. I think sh'es trying to kill her best friend with that cure.
Drinking: What's that all about? I thought Buffy swore off the sauce after she nearly barfed on Spike's boots. The falling to pieces drinking herself half to death doesn't go with the generally cheerful mood of the story.
The Boys: Please please please not Riley again. Can't he do a nose dive in a sewer somewhere? Where's that Bitch wife of his? Can't she reel him in and keep him from butting into unsuspecting comic books? Andrew didn't have any funny/weird lines. Cute little riff with B and Spike about her making him beg. Where's the conflict - these two have always been at each other's throats and now they're pals. Snore. And the dirigible with the insects. That hurts. Also, Spike is macking on some girl at the party.
Overhead point of view. There are a lot of overhead views. Looking down on the apartment building courtyard; looking down on the dead girl; looking down on Buffy lolling on the couch; looking down on the demons with light spears cooking up a green ball; looking down on Buffy in the alley; looking down on Riley's van.
The green monster ball - at first I thought the monster from the green ball was the collection agent from hell, but now I see he isn't. Does anyone remember Vampires? As in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Dead girl: Finally! A plot! Assume it's a dead slayer and boy it's about time. Also, a girl is sneaking into San Fran in a Van! She's obviously coming after the Buffster. Maybe she can get kiiled too.
Collection agent from hell or somewhere: For plot lines this is the lamest. This must be part of Joss's plan to get back to the Buffy real life problems.
Sometimes it's really hard to trust Joss.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Sep 23 2011 04:17 pm #10lunna798
Guest
If anyone is going to the NYCC -- dark Horse is doing a Buffy/Angel panel
Buffy and Angel Present: Dark Horse Does Vampires Right!
Date: Saturday, October 15
11:00 am - 12:00 pm
Location: 1A15
Speakers: Christos Gage, Jeremy Atkins, Rebekah Isaacs, Scott Allie
Description:
Dark Horse Comics invite you to attend a special panel highlighting the growing number of brand new comics featuring vampires! In addition to the highly successful, Buffy the Vampire Slayer comics, we introduce you to new titles like Mike Mignola and Christopher Golden's Baltimore, P.C. and Kristin Cast's House of Night, and Guillermo del Toro and Chuck Hogan's The Strain! Join Dark Horse Managing Editor Scott Allie; Dark Horse Director of Public Relations, Jeremy Atkins; and Angel & Faith writer, Christos Gage, and artist, Rebekah Isaacs; as well as a few surprise guests for a panel you can "really sink your teeth into." If that's not enough, every attendee will receive a free copy of Angel & Faith #1!
Riley is there because he is now tracing and doing surveillance and fighting against terrorist - Which is what Simone is turning into - her VW is filled with weapons. Also, we see that Buffy's roomies are wearing t-shirts that are either meant as visual foreshadows. Anaheed's t-shirt has large text VANS and Tumble wears one that shows what looks like an underworld demon riding on top of a van. The Riley panels also take us back to her other period of "let's not talk about it" and her "You're into porn now" "gross, but don't we think I should start? what's all this for" are we suppose to think that Buffy wants to get into heavy sex with Riley? After the Riley panels we go the Buffy Shame thought bubbles and right into the "besides that shame would interfere with this shame" and we have the Heinrich mystery neighbor panels. It was clever of Jeanty to use the Heinz 57 symbol on the cable car. One thing for sure, is that Buffy is feeling nothing but shame and misery for her conduct as clown drunk, completely opposite to Willow's description of "adorable."
I suspect that what we will see is that the tans pants belong to the men in the pool - there are actually two pairs in the bedroom - one off to the side in front of the draws and the pair on the bed with what has to be intended as a misdirect for Spike's belt - most of the people at our comic book groups had the same first reaction that it looks like the belt Spike wore in the series in the last seasons.
I am personally more interested in all the Buffy-Xander part of the issue and what it might bring out in the future. The text seems to be setting them up for some kind of "forbidden fruit" scenario - but it is all just to neatly set up to have it be the intended story. From the "punch Buffy made that is fruit and dangerous to the bedroom scenes with two birds on the bed sheets, it all just too neatly set up. According to Scott Allie in his "special note" after his Q&A, Xander's story is tied into the Buffy-Xander bedroom scene and it is a theme that goes back to part of the TV Era and continues in BS8 and will be in BS9. Apparently Joss Whedon has something particular in mind for Xander that he wants to become part of his story. What makes for sense to me, with this very little info we have thus far, is that Xander is having trouble trying to transition into a more normal life - one that is very different from his role as a leader of the The Slayer Army and his very important purpose in life as part of Buffy's inner circle that fought against all the evil forces in the world.
We will just have to wait - but I do find the potential of another round of "Buffy growing up and reaching for her mature adult" not something I find as especially interesting. I don however think that Buffy's life and even her very nature as a slayer is in FreeFall and coming apart. That great cover with the two white faces smoldering and unraveling is based on the Escher piece - Bond Of Union.
I thought the ending page was totally lame - It is suppose to be funny and also serve as the introduction to how everything has changed since in Harmony introduced vampires into the normal human world. From the events of Buffy and The Great Space Frak, the human population would be hunting down and killing of demons not using them a collections thugs. Humans by the millions would be asking to be sired. What are the writers going to do about vampires being able to sire in this new Buffyverse? Vampires as I understand it are not magical creatures, they are the consequences of the last pure ancient demon combined with a human to create a hybrid life form.
Worse, IMO, than the dumb joke of Demon Debt Collector was the Spike and his "buzz off giant mosquitos..." Also
you can see some of the more important panels here:
I suspect that what we will see is that the tans pants belong to the men in the pool - there are actually two pairs in the bedroom - one off to the side in front of the draws and the pair on the bed with what has to be intended as a misdirect for Spike's belt - most of the people at our comic book groups had the same first reaction that it looks like the belt Spike wore in the series in the last seasons.
I am personally more interested in all the Buffy-Xander part of the issue and what it might bring out in the future. The text seems to be setting them up for some kind of "forbidden fruit" scenario - but it is all just to neatly set up to have it be the intended story. From the "punch Buffy made that is fruit and dangerous to the bedroom scenes with two birds on the bed sheets, it all just too neatly set up. According to Scott Allie in his "special note" after his Q&A, Xander's story is tied into the Buffy-Xander bedroom scene and it is a theme that goes back to part of the TV Era and continues in BS8 and will be in BS9. Apparently Joss Whedon has something particular in mind for Xander that he wants to become part of his story. What makes for sense to me, with this very little info we have thus far, is that Xander is having trouble trying to transition into a more normal life - one that is very different from his role as a leader of the The Slayer Army and his very important purpose in life as part of Buffy's inner circle that fought against all the evil forces in the world.
We will just have to wait - but I do find the potential of another round of "Buffy growing up and reaching for her mature adult" not something I find as especially interesting. I don however think that Buffy's life and even her very nature as a slayer is in FreeFall and coming apart. That great cover with the two white faces smoldering and unraveling is based on the Escher piece - Bond Of Union.
I thought the ending page was totally lame - It is suppose to be funny and also serve as the introduction to how everything has changed since in Harmony introduced vampires into the normal human world. From the events of Buffy and The Great Space Frak, the human population would be hunting down and killing of demons not using them a collections thugs. Humans by the millions would be asking to be sired. What are the writers going to do about vampires being able to sire in this new Buffyverse? Vampires as I understand it are not magical creatures, they are the consequences of the last pure ancient demon combined with a human to create a hybrid life form.
Worse, IMO, than the dumb joke of Demon Debt Collector was the Spike and his "buzz off giant mosquitos..." Also
you can see some of the more important panels here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/103058662790492748180
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Sep 26 2011 02:51 am #12Spikez_tart
nmcil - you're breaking my heart with all that Riley stuff. Will we never be rid of this guy? Does Joss not know how thoroughly he is hated? I just looked on Google to see if there even was such a thing as Buffy/Riley fan fiction. I'm afraid that there is.
Xander - When it comes to women, let's face it, Xander is a louse. Willow loved him so he asked Buffy for a date. (I wouldn't have blamed him for that since he didn't have romantic feelings for Willow, except that later he did.) When Buffy didn't work he chased after Cordelia; Coredelia fell in love with him, so he cheated on her with Willow. Anya shows up and he eventually gets entangled with her, admittedly pretty much against his will, then ends up leaving her at the altar. He still dabbles around with her in S7 when it's convenient. In S8, he falls in love with another slayer, who dies and about three pages later falls in love with Dawn. Since Buffy showed him some interest in S7, (why I do not know) it's only natural that he will cheat on Dawn with Buffy. I would be willing to accept that story line if Buffy kills Dawn. Or Xander. Or both of them.
Still, I don't think those are Xander's tan pants in Buffy's bed. Presumably, he left the party with his pants on.
Xander - When it comes to women, let's face it, Xander is a louse. Willow loved him so he asked Buffy for a date. (I wouldn't have blamed him for that since he didn't have romantic feelings for Willow, except that later he did.) When Buffy didn't work he chased after Cordelia; Coredelia fell in love with him, so he cheated on her with Willow. Anya shows up and he eventually gets entangled with her, admittedly pretty much against his will, then ends up leaving her at the altar. He still dabbles around with her in S7 when it's convenient. In S8, he falls in love with another slayer, who dies and about three pages later falls in love with Dawn. Since Buffy showed him some interest in S7, (why I do not know) it's only natural that he will cheat on Dawn with Buffy. I would be willing to accept that story line if Buffy kills Dawn. Or Xander. Or both of them.
Still, I don't think those are Xander's tan pants in Buffy's bed. Presumably, he left the party with his pants on.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Sep 26 2011 03:38 am #13slaymesoftly
Moderator
nmcil - you're breaking my heart with all that Riley stuff. Will we never be rid of this guy? Does Joss not know how thoroughly he is hated? I just looked on Google to see if there even was such a thing as Buffy/Riley fan fiction. I'm afraid that there is.
Xander - When it comes to women, let's face it, Xander is a louse. Willow loved him so he asked Buffy for a date. (I wouldn't have blamed him for that since he didn't have romantic feelings for Willow, except that later he did.) When Buffy didn't work he chased after Cordelia; Coredelia fell in love with him, so he cheated on her with Willow. Anya shows up and he eventually gets entangled with her, admittedly pretty much against his will, then ends up leaving her at the altar. He still dabbles around with her in S7 when it's convenient. In S8, he falls in love with another slayer, who dies and about three pages later falls in love with Dawn. Since Buffy showed him some interest in S7, (why I do not know) it's only natural that he will cheat on Dawn with Buffy. I would be willing to accept that story line if Buffy kills Dawn. Or Xander. Or both of them.
Still, I don't think those are Xander's tan pants in Buffy's bed. Presumably, he left the party with his pants on.
Interesting point, Tart - who walked out in his underwear? *g*
Xander - When it comes to women, let's face it, Xander is a louse. Willow loved him so he asked Buffy for a date. (I wouldn't have blamed him for that since he didn't have romantic feelings for Willow, except that later he did.) When Buffy didn't work he chased after Cordelia; Coredelia fell in love with him, so he cheated on her with Willow. Anya shows up and he eventually gets entangled with her, admittedly pretty much against his will, then ends up leaving her at the altar. He still dabbles around with her in S7 when it's convenient. In S8, he falls in love with another slayer, who dies and about three pages later falls in love with Dawn. Since Buffy showed him some interest in S7, (why I do not know) it's only natural that he will cheat on Dawn with Buffy. I would be willing to accept that story line if Buffy kills Dawn. Or Xander. Or both of them.
Still, I don't think those are Xander's tan pants in Buffy's bed. Presumably, he left the party with his pants on.
Interesting point, Tart - who walked out in his underwear? *g*
I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
I am upper management.
I think that eventually it will end up that the men in the pool simply changed their wet clothing - But even if that is the case, this is really a terrible and traumatic place that Joss Whedon and A. Chambliss have taken Buffy to - but considering what happened in BS8 - I would expect that Buffy would be years in healing emotionally. And Spike and Riley are both right, what could she have done but destroy the seed - the demons were totally in command of the battle and just kept coming in through the portals. Even with all the power that Willow had - would she have been able to close the portals?
As far as Bander goes - I don't think Joss Whedon is that much of a louse as to have Buffy going after her sister's lover - of course he already had her doing this very thing in the One Shot and she got shot down right and proper by Xander. But he also allowed her to go from taking care of her Slayers and betraying all the people she should have been protecting. I will not be surprised by anything ever again in the story of Buffy and the Buffyverse.
Just want to say how great it is having the spell check function -
As far as Bander goes - I don't think Joss Whedon is that much of a louse as to have Buffy going after her sister's lover - of course he already had her doing this very thing in the One Shot and she got shot down right and proper by Xander. But he also allowed her to go from taking care of her Slayers and betraying all the people she should have been protecting. I will not be surprised by anything ever again in the story of Buffy and the Buffyverse.
Just want to say how great it is having the spell check function -
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Sep 27 2011 04:04 am #15Spikez_tart
I don't think Joss Whedon is that much of a louse
Joss is totally that big of a louse. :)
Joss is totally that big of a louse. :)
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Sep 30 2011 08:16 pm #16Shanna
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I wonder if the problem here is that Buffy is being written by a man and/or men? Especially by men who are self-proclaimed comic geeks where the heroes are flawed, usually traumatically or tragically. Isn't it a prerequisite to have a flawed hero who can never get a handle on self growth, self awareness or who immediately forgets epiphanies? I would say that these men are boys who never want to grow up and I personally resent that they write and dictate the life of a female protagonist the way that they do. I mean...come on guys!!!!
I also think the problem is monetary as well. If you start resolving flaws/issues, then you see the end of the line because a character is no longer considered interesting and then the the income stops. I just wish JW et al had the brains and balls to realize that a mature character can be interesting and be a role model.. JW is heading toward 50 but will always be a 12 year old boy. I am so disappointed in JW and I am so disappointed that an amazing character like Spike always has to be overshadowed by a drippy character like Angel. Sorry, I was never an Angel fan and I never believed in his journey.
I also think the problem is monetary as well. If you start resolving flaws/issues, then you see the end of the line because a character is no longer considered interesting and then the the income stops. I just wish JW et al had the brains and balls to realize that a mature character can be interesting and be a role model.. JW is heading toward 50 but will always be a 12 year old boy. I am so disappointed in JW and I am so disappointed that an amazing character like Spike always has to be overshadowed by a drippy character like Angel. Sorry, I was never an Angel fan and I never believed in his journey.
I am so glad someone else thinks this is the reason these comics are so flawed. And in comparison to all the fanfictions who primarily are written by women who understand that the progression of a character does not mean a loss of interest. Joss should employ women comic book writers if he wants my readership. THe little I have seen of the buffy from the comics will not pull me in. I am not impressed with the artwork either. How did buffy's face become so round and I didn't even recognize spike in the pages I saw.
Sep 30 2011 11:23 pm #18slaymesoftly
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I am so glad someone else thinks this is the reason these comics are so flawed. And in comparison to all the fanfictions who primarily are written by women who understand that the progression of a character does not mean a loss of interest. Joss should employ women comic book writers if he wants my readership. THe little I have seen of the buffy from the comics will not pull me in. I am not impressed with the artwork either. How did buffy's face become so round and I didn't even recognize spike in the pages I saw.
I think Spike is actually probably one of the easier characters to recognize. Probably because his clothing and hair are so distinctive. Ditto for Xander, who can be identified by the patch on one eye and his very dark hair. Everybody else is a crap shoot usually. You may or may not realize who you're looking at until another anoymous character calls him or her by name. :)
I think Spike is actually probably one of the easier characters to recognize. Probably because his clothing and hair are so distinctive. Ditto for Xander, who can be identified by the patch on one eye and his very dark hair. Everybody else is a crap shoot usually. You may or may not realize who you're looking at until another anoymous character calls him or her by name. :)
I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
I am upper management.
I have yet to figure out what the point was for the Buffy-Angel SexAvatar/Creators premise was about - why did Joss Whedon feel that he had to go with this premise. Why then come around for phase two of Buffy out-of-control sex as a potential theme with the very first issue of BS9. If all the anti-Spike and anti-Spuffy fans think they had the AR to always fall back on as the ultimate and never to be disputed example of why Spike is such a miserable and evil character to connect with Buffy in a love relationship - what can they possibly say now that Angel and his following of "The Plan" has actually completed what I considered a forced sexual encounter with her. I just don't understand any of this beat-down to make strong or sexual treatment for Buffy.
Anyway - you can see a lot of the panels for Issue 2 here: https://picasaweb.google.com/103058662790492748180
Anyway - you can see a lot of the panels for Issue 2 here: https://picasaweb.google.com/103058662790492748180
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Posted some of the Buffy Issue 3 panels here: https://picasaweb.google.com/home?hl=en&tab=qq
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Nov 13 2011 04:34 am #21LCF
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Is it me..? or is this so-called "script" for the comics even worse than all the apologist horse-s**t regarding the Gelled Ninny (aka Angel)?!! I've tried, I truly have to give the comic a chance; All I can conclude is that Buffy (& all material associated therin) needs to be liberated from Joss' control. (preferably placed in the capable hands of the staff here at the BSV...)
I saw (on a site dedicated to a religion based upon Buffy of all things) that there were calls for Joss to be crucifed; I cannot help but agree...
I saw (on a site dedicated to a religion based upon Buffy of all things) that there were calls for Joss to be crucifed; I cannot help but agree...
Nov 13 2011 06:27 am #22Kelticmoon
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Is it me..? or is this so-called "script" for the comics even worse than all the apologist horse-s**t regarding the Gelled Ninny (aka Angel)?!! I've tried, I truly have to give the comic a chance; All I can conclude is that Buffy (& all material associated therin) needs to be liberated from Joss' control. (preferably placed in the capable hands of the staff here at the BSV...)
I saw (on a site dedicated to a religion based upon Buffy of all things) that there were calls for Joss to be crucifed; I cannot help but agree...
Yes!! someone after my own heart. I think Joss has totally left his interest in buffy behind. So far I haven't been impressed and wondered why the story has slipped. Has anyone read anything to indicate if he is pleased with this plotline?
I saw (on a site dedicated to a religion based upon Buffy of all things) that there were calls for Joss to be crucifed; I cannot help but agree...
Yes!! someone after my own heart. I think Joss has totally left his interest in buffy behind. So far I haven't been impressed and wondered why the story has slipped. Has anyone read anything to indicate if he is pleased with this plotline?
Nov 13 2011 07:54 pm #23Spikez_tart
Here's a video from back in July - he sounds relatively excited and says there will be a lot of Buffy and Spike together and some crossovers with Angel (yuck). and a trailer for the comics. I can see that he might be tired of living in Buffy's head. In which case, I'm sure he could find a rabid fan somewhere (or right here!) to take up the flag.
http://www.fearnet.com/news/interviews/b23319_exclusive_joss_whedon_talks_buffy.html
http://video.comicbookresources.com/comics/indie/buffy-season-9-angel-and-faith-trailer/
I like the idea of ridding the world of magic; presumably Buffy will have to find a way to bring it back (if Willow would just quit whining) and the guy who de vamps vampires. Is Spike in danger? Any chance he could use the devamper on that big blowhard Angel? The series could really use some new full blown characters (the roomates don't count unless JW actually does something with them.)
http://www.fearnet.com/news/interviews/b23319_exclusive_joss_whedon_talks_buffy.html
http://video.comicbookresources.com/comics/indie/buffy-season-9-angel-and-faith-trailer/
I like the idea of ridding the world of magic; presumably Buffy will have to find a way to bring it back (if Willow would just quit whining) and the guy who de vamps vampires. Is Spike in danger? Any chance he could use the devamper on that big blowhard Angel? The series could really use some new full blown characters (the roomates don't count unless JW actually does something with them.)
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Nov 13 2011 10:02 pm #24LCF
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No doubt Joss & Co. will use this for the whole "Wahh! ~Normal!~ Wahh!" crap if the Gelled Ninny does in fact go human again. (Perhaps this time, someone will do the world a favor & kill the Gelled Ninny before he can cry to those stupid oracles...)
What I don't get..? is why Joss & Co. persist in keeping the Spuffy from happening..! I looked it up: in terms of favorite pairing, Spuffy, by a rather large margin outscored all the rest. If they were at all interested in upping the sales of the comic, logically that would be the way to go.
As for Willow..? Kill her! & Have some AU version of Tara come back! (I know..! whishful thinking. Can't help it, given the garbage Joss & Co. keep dishing out...)
Oh, how sweet it would be, if they actually ASKED the fans what they wanted, & acted accordingly...
What I don't get..? is why Joss & Co. persist in keeping the Spuffy from happening..! I looked it up: in terms of favorite pairing, Spuffy, by a rather large margin outscored all the rest. If they were at all interested in upping the sales of the comic, logically that would be the way to go.
As for Willow..? Kill her! & Have some AU version of Tara come back! (I know..! whishful thinking. Can't help it, given the garbage Joss & Co. keep dishing out...)
Oh, how sweet it would be, if they actually ASKED the fans what they wanted, & acted accordingly...
No doubt Joss & Co. will use this for the whole "Wahh! ~Normal!~ Wahh!" crap if the Gelled Ninny does in fact go human again. (Perhaps this time, someone will do the world a favor & kill the Gelled Ninny before he can cry to those stupid oracles...)
What I don't get..? is why Joss & Co. persist in keeping the Spuffy from happening..! I looked it up: in terms of favorite pairing, Spuffy, by a rather large margin outscored all the rest. If they were at all interested in upping the sales of the comic, logically that would be the way to go.
As for Willow..? Kill her! & Have some AU version of Tara come back! (I know..! whishful thinking. Can't help it, given the garbage Joss & Co. keep dishing out...)
What I don't get..? is why Joss & Co. persist in keeping the Spuffy from happening..! I looked it up: in terms of favorite pairing, Spuffy, by a rather large margin outscored all the rest. If they were at all interested in upping the sales of the comic, logically that would be the way to go.
As for Willow..? Kill her! & Have some AU version of Tara come back! (I know..! whishful thinking. Can't help it, given the garbage Joss & Co. keep dishing out...)
Oh, how sweet it would be, if they actually ASKED the fans what they wanted, & acted accordingly...
You just have to look at the Dark Horse marketing products to see where the priorities are regarding the Corporate Branding for the Romantic Pair - it is always Buffy and Angel, the same goes for calendars.
Now with the introduction of these new vampire form "zompires" and the whole demons from another dimension are the foundations for the Buffyverse vampires - things have really become chaotic. Illyria has what she describes as "half-breeds" and places the vampires/half-breeds and primative humans in her timeline - where or what were the Uber Vamps in all this. I was under the impression that the Uber Vamps were the original vampires of this world.
If anyone had trouble trying to see the issue 3 panels - they are now in the public viewing and accessible -
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Nov 23 2011 07:06 pm #26cindy
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Hello, I hope this will be alright but I have a question about the world in the comics. I haven't read all the comics I will just skim to see how the plot lines are going and to see if I would like to read them. So far I have not been impressed with the plots whatsoever. But I was thinking about the comics last night and need a question answered if I could. Since the vampires have no soul and they are outed to the world and supposedly can't kill how are they feeding. Is every vampire in the world on pigs blood? Please if any one could answer this I would appreciate the answer. I was imagining a mass soul spell LOL But I really do not want to read all the comics just to find out. That would really make me barf because I really do not like the storylines at all. (So disappointed)
Nov 23 2011 09:46 pm #27Spikez_tart
Cindy: Vamps are still evil but a lot of people seem to be volunteering. No souls in evidence except Spike's and Angel's. I have to say that the story is improving in S9.
Issue 3
Why is Buffy running around in her underwear in front of her new bestest friend, Severin? And, why is she so trusting? Hasn't she figured out yet that it's always your friend that turns on you?
I'm sad to see that Jo Chen is no longer doing covers. Regretting now that I critized that Buffy on the top of the bridge cover.
Buffy has achieved a bizarre hairdo (at the Scooby meeting) I like it!
When the police come to talk to Buffy's roommates, one of the pictures features the big bouquet of flowers sent to Buffy by a neighbor after the party. Future bad guy?
Severin is supposed to suck power out of magical creatures like Buffy. She grabs his hand when he wakes her up. Does this mean Buffy is going back to normal slayer? Once she kills this guy of course. Can she have his cool apartment?
Some fun Spike scenes, but he and Buffy don't appear together in this issue at all. Boo. He seems to very nonchalant about her too. More Boo.
Xander and Dawn are no fun. Their fight is stupid.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Buffy Issue 4, I think is the best issue thus far of the new season - Spike finally crystal on his continued love for Buffy - very good artwork on Spike and Buffy - This was a very good arc to set up some of the major themes for the season.
You can see some of the most important panels here: https://picasaweb.google.com/103058662790492748180
You can see some of the most important panels here: https://picasaweb.google.com/103058662790492748180
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Buffy Issue 4, I think is the best issue thus far of the new season - Spike finally crystal on his continued love for Buffy - very good artwork on Spike and Buffy - This was a very good arc to set up some of the major themes for the season.
You can see some of the most important panels here: https://picasaweb.google.com/103058662790492748180
OK That was better and I might be interested maybe! Thank You for your postings of the comic pages.
You can see some of the most important panels here: https://picasaweb.google.com/103058662790492748180
OK That was better and I might be interested maybe! Thank You for your postings of the comic pages.
Dec 26 2011 01:25 am #30Spikez_tart
Buffy Issue 4, I think is the best issue thus far of the new season -
Issue 4 is pretty damn good. Spike is sweet and he shows up to save Buffy (instead of Buffy saving him per usual).
Buffy tells Willow that she's still got her slayer powers, but --- Sev does the whammy on her forehead and says " that sparks different." Which I suppose means Buffy may have lost some of her powers - like the flying thing I hope AND that Buffy's power is different than vampire power.
Sev also zaps Spike which causes his vamp face to disappear - so what has Spike lost? Also, why is Spike wearing an ugly ass green tee shirt and blue jeans?
And where did Willow get that uuuuugggggllllllyyyyy car?
Sadly, it appears that Sev won't be taking out a couple hundred slayers that aren't Buffy or Faith. Oh well.
Issue 4 is pretty damn good. Spike is sweet and he shows up to save Buffy (instead of Buffy saving him per usual).
Buffy tells Willow that she's still got her slayer powers, but --- Sev does the whammy on her forehead and says " that sparks different." Which I suppose means Buffy may have lost some of her powers - like the flying thing I hope AND that Buffy's power is different than vampire power.
Sev also zaps Spike which causes his vamp face to disappear - so what has Spike lost? Also, why is Spike wearing an ugly ass green tee shirt and blue jeans?
And where did Willow get that uuuuugggggllllllyyyyy car?
Sadly, it appears that Sev won't be taking out a couple hundred slayers that aren't Buffy or Faith. Oh well.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
I am really looking forward to see how Spike is going to be developed in this CB Season - been so speculation that Spike is going to get back some of his human attributes or that he is changed from his encounter with Severin. I would think that if Spike was changed in any drastic manner, he should have been able to tell - the whole zompires thing is, IMO, really messing with all the TV Era fundamentals. I would like to have some explanation on how the blood exchange works now - before that was the essential factor - now the blood exchange is only one aspect of how a vampire is created. Change is fine, but I think they should back up those changes with some story to support them - since forever in the Buffyverse, it was this exchange of blood that created the vampire - now we have some mysterious life force/demon force that gives intellectual capacity. What now happens to the human memories which were what the demon used when it took over the human vessel?
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Jan 02 2012 02:43 pm #32Spikez_tart
I would like to have some explanation on how the blood exchange works now - before that was the essential factor - now the blood exchange is only one aspect of how a vampire is created. ... What now happens to the human memories which were what the demon used when it took over the human vessel?
I think the explanation is that because Buffy destroyed the Seed, that the rules have changed. Now when a vampire is created, they are completely (or mostly?) demon and the human memories are either gone or so buried that they can't be accessed. The demon is in control. Personally, I'm good with the changes since they are contained within the original idea of the show and don't involve wandering off into crazy territory like big goddesses and making Dawn into a horse's butt (oh - she already was :)) Now that I think of it, I'm wondering how any more vampires can be created at all? Aren't they magical creatures after all? And how does Severin get magic powers when everyone else loses theirs?
It will be interesting to see what happens with Spike and with Buffy, who got zapped too.
I think the explanation is that because Buffy destroyed the Seed, that the rules have changed. Now when a vampire is created, they are completely (or mostly?) demon and the human memories are either gone or so buried that they can't be accessed. The demon is in control. Personally, I'm good with the changes since they are contained within the original idea of the show and don't involve wandering off into crazy territory like big goddesses and making Dawn into a horse's butt (oh - she already was :)) Now that I think of it, I'm wondering how any more vampires can be created at all? Aren't they magical creatures after all? And how does Severin get magic powers when everyone else loses theirs?
It will be interesting to see what happens with Spike and with Buffy, who got zapped too.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Jan 02 2012 11:36 pm #33Ben Hall
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Hi, even though I agree with most of the comments on this forum, I think one of the problems since season 7 to 9 has been Spike's soul. What I mean is he has become sort of a shadow of peaches (Angel). I mean look at killers like Ted Bundy who are human the soul shouldn't create guilt. However a consience (which Spike has always seemed to have to some extent) does create guilt. Hate the fact that Harmony & Riley are still around. Season 9 so far is a bit less of a train wreck compared to season 8, in my opinion. Finally I want the characters to grow and mature.
Jan 03 2012 03:00 am #34Spikez_tart
Hate the fact that Harmony & Riley are still around. Season 9 so far is a bit less of a train wreck compared to season 8, in my opinion. Finally I want the characters to grow and mature.
If only they would kill Riley. And what happened to that smug bitch he's married to? Joss could off her too. It would be a banner edition for everyone. :)
If only they would kill Riley. And what happened to that smug bitch he's married to? Joss could off her too. It would be a banner edition for everyone. :)
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Hey I'm all for let's finally get rid of Sam - but they gave her a much better character treatment in their One Shot - I absolutely could not stand her in the episode. I am really looking forward to see how Andrew is developed. This is suppose to be the times when Andrew finally becomes a very important part of the arc. Front the start, at the party when Buffy is playing at drunken life-of-the-party - he is already supposed to be doing very good humanitarian work with some of the slayers. And I have always wondered why that large sculpture of that head that to me looked very much like Andrew was doing in the Angel Garden of Eden. The Andrew cover with Simone and the large Buffy transparent head reminds me of the machine that Fred created to restore Spike to his corporeal form.
Has anyone read that "Nikki Goes Down" which I understand is one of the stories in "Tales of the Slayers" - it would be great to have a good summary of what happened in that story.
Has anyone read that "Nikki Goes Down" which I understand is one of the stories in "Tales of the Slayers" - it would be great to have a good summary of what happened in that story.
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Jan 05 2012 01:16 pm #36slaymesoftly
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So far in season nine there has been some excellent Spuffy fic written. Coalitiongirl is leading the pack, with gryfindor_goddess just a little behind and with a brand new one that will rip your heart out (in a good way). In most cases, only the barest acknowledgment of the season eight train wreck is being made (somewhat like the comics themselves, which are dwelling on the loss of magic in the world rather than all the stuff that came before). Almost all are short (except for Embers) and just glimpses of a scene or two or a fill-in-the-blanks. I'm not sure how much of it will end up on the BSV, but it's worth looking for it on LJ and DW.
I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
I am upper management.
LOL - my greatest desire is the The Great Space Frak and Bangel reunion in never mentioned again and never in a positive light for Buffy. Far as I am concerned she was made nothing but a victim of her Angel baggage and used as a sex toy machine.
I found it very interesting reading recently how, I think it was Marti Noxon - sorry for my memory lapse, stated that being a parent had changed her perspective on writing - I wonder that where Joss Whedon was going with all the BS8 Brad Metlzer arc? I've always wondered how his being a parent would effect his perspective on his early Buffy-Angel treatment.
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Jan 06 2012 10:33 pm #38Spikez_tart
he is already supposed to be doing very good humanitarian work
Ugh - couldn't Andrew turn evil again? That would be so much more fun. :)
Ugh - couldn't Andrew turn evil again? That would be so much more fun. :)
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Jan 13 2012 06:50 pm #39Immortal Beloved
Hey y'all, I made some icons to go along with issue #5. They're spoilerific, so don't click unless you've read it or don't give a crap. :-P
http://beloved-77.livejournal.com/99586.html
http://beloved-77.livejournal.com/99586.html
Give me Spuffy, or give me death.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=36362
This is an interview with Scott Alie about Buffy being pregnant. I really wonder about these men writing about this subject. I am so disappointted that they are going this route. I was slightly hopeful thaT this season I would get to enjoy now I don't think I am impressed. I think they are just going to mess everything up by going totally down this path. Not every sexual encounter ends with a bad scenario. This does not bode well for me. I also have a question about the other slayers are they still slayers or was there power taken away. Sorry for the question but I do not like the comics so the only way I can get my information is from the people who are brave enough to actually read the mess they are writing.
Thank You for this thread so much. It at least keeps me in the loop about where they are going with their mistakes. Another thing I want to express I think that the spuffy comunity is the best and the most mature community in the Buffy universe. I have tried reading other forums and I think they have yet to want any growth in their perceptions. So shout out to us. and again thank you for being here for all of us out here.
This is an interview with Scott Alie about Buffy being pregnant. I really wonder about these men writing about this subject. I am so disappointted that they are going this route. I was slightly hopeful thaT this season I would get to enjoy now I don't think I am impressed. I think they are just going to mess everything up by going totally down this path. Not every sexual encounter ends with a bad scenario. This does not bode well for me. I also have a question about the other slayers are they still slayers or was there power taken away. Sorry for the question but I do not like the comics so the only way I can get my information is from the people who are brave enough to actually read the mess they are writing.
Thank You for this thread so much. It at least keeps me in the loop about where they are going with their mistakes. Another thing I want to express I think that the spuffy comunity is the best and the most mature community in the Buffy universe. I have tried reading other forums and I think they have yet to want any growth in their perceptions. So shout out to us. and again thank you for being here for all of us out here.
Jan 15 2012 01:26 am #42Spikez_tart
How stupid is this? Not just the pregnant thing. Nikki Wood could not have been the slayer just before Buffy since she was killed in 1977 and Buffy wasn't called until 1997. Unless there was a 20 year gap? Jeesh Scott read the story bible.
I guess we're lucky they held off on getting Buffy knocked up as long as they did. They spronged Cordelia twice in the Angel show. I really hate this trope although Darla pulled it off pretty well what with the hating the kid and staking herself to death in an alley.
I guess we're lucky they held off on getting Buffy knocked up as long as they did. They spronged Cordelia twice in the Angel show. I really hate this trope although Darla pulled it off pretty well what with the hating the kid and staking herself to death in an alley.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
How stupid is this? Not just the pregnant thing. Nikki Wood could not have been the slayer just before Buffy since she was killed in 1977 and Buffy wasn't called until 1997. Unless there was a 20 year gap? Jeesh Scott read the story bible.
I guess we're lucky they held off on getting Buffy knocked up as long as they did. They spronged Cordelia twice in the Angel show. I really hate this trope although Darla pulled it off pretty well what with the hating the kid and staking herself to death in an alley.
I know I picked up on that error too. Just goes to show these writers are abosolutely not getting it.
I guess we're lucky they held off on getting Buffy knocked up as long as they did. They spronged Cordelia twice in the Angel show. I really hate this trope although Darla pulled it off pretty well what with the hating the kid and staking herself to death in an alley.
I know I picked up on that error too. Just goes to show these writers are abosolutely not getting it.
Jan 16 2012 02:09 am #44Spikez_tart
Now that I think of it, if Nikki was the slayer right before Buffy, then Robin Wood would be about seven years old.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
How many of you read "The Magical Mystery Tour" online comic? Like, OMWF, it is pretty much a foreshadow of this Buffy Pregnancy and the part that Spike may play in the coming story. That is, until the decision to make Buffy pay even more dearly is brought out in the Buffy Motherhood Arc. If anything even remotely like what is shown in TMMT happens, Spike will have a very important part in Buffy's future. What a bunch of crap with this Buffy Preggers Story and making it be the consequence of a drunken sexual encounter and then having Buffy not even be able to remember who she had sex with and who the father is. Can you imagine what this would feel like for a woman - WTF is Joss Whedon thinking and going with this story. The only thing that even remotely makes this something that I can stomach is the possibility that there we be an exploration of the controversy regarding the right of a woman to control her life and procreation choices.
Wasn't it enough that Buffy was turned into a willing victim to her abuser and killer of her slayers and innocent people with the Buffy-Angel Lovers Reunion and then made an accomplice to the destruction of this planet and connected to the killing of Giles? Talk about deconstructing a character and story - BS8 just about destroyed Buffy as a symbol of a strong, independent and valiant warrior and woman. It completely destroyed Angel for me - I can't even look at the character without getting pissed off.
I think that I have TMMT posted at my picasa album - https://picasaweb.google.com/103058662790492748180
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
I agree with you nmcil...I really dislike that drunken black out sex stuff and Buffy not remembering who the daddy is. It's like a bad episode of Maury Povich(actually there is no good episode of Maury lol) I am really close to giving up. I only started reading S9 cause of the promise by Joss to make this a less insane season. and now we have preggers Buffy with no idea of what happened to her. I'll see what happens in the next couple of issues, cause if they don't have Buffy at least considering her options it'll be the most unrealistic portrayal they can do.
I mean what 20 something woman with a low paying job, living in a small room with 2 roommates, with no money, a dangerous calling, no steady relationship and coming off of the GREAT SPACE FRAK that saw the world almost ending cause of her decision to screw her ex under some dubious glowhypnol influence would think that having a baby is a good idea? Especially after the circumstances in which it was conceved? I know abortion is a very delicate issue, so I know these comics won't touch that with a ten foot pole, and that's why it's so unrealistic. Joss just wants Buffy pregnant. And then God knows what horrors he'll throw her way once baby!Buffy is born. *shudders*
And can anyone please explain to me why Buffy in issue # 1 when she woke up naked with no idea of what happened,( but she obviously thought she had sex and she had to know there were no condoms anywhere so I'm thinking there was evidence of unprotected sex) didn't go straight to Planned Parenthood and get on Plan B with the morning after pill? Buffy lives in SF one of the most liberal cities in the US , not in some little town in the Bible Belt or something, and I don't see her as some super conservative girl who would never consider something like that. It makes no damn sense. Not to even mention STDs. UGH I hate this storyline. Like I said if these issues aren't brought up I may give up this comic cause it makes Buffy seem like a stupid person. :grr:
I think none of this will be brought up tho, Joss wants her pregnant. Full Stop. That's It. Hope I'm wrong.
And I agree about Angel(don't care for his story, don't care for his comic, he can drop off the face of the Earth IMO)
And the funny thing is if you go on the Bangel sites, like Blood Roses. they're all sure the baby is Angel's no matter how illogical that seems. But I wouldn't put anything past them after the GSF.And please don't let it be Xander's. Ugh!
I read the Spike web comic.Do you think Spike will be the babies surrogate Daddy? I hope that's it and he's not just some glorified babysitter,that I can't deal with. He was os cute with the little baby bugs.:)
I mean what 20 something woman with a low paying job, living in a small room with 2 roommates, with no money, a dangerous calling, no steady relationship and coming off of the GREAT SPACE FRAK that saw the world almost ending cause of her decision to screw her ex under some dubious glowhypnol influence would think that having a baby is a good idea? Especially after the circumstances in which it was conceved? I know abortion is a very delicate issue, so I know these comics won't touch that with a ten foot pole, and that's why it's so unrealistic. Joss just wants Buffy pregnant. And then God knows what horrors he'll throw her way once baby!Buffy is born. *shudders*
And can anyone please explain to me why Buffy in issue # 1 when she woke up naked with no idea of what happened,( but she obviously thought she had sex and she had to know there were no condoms anywhere so I'm thinking there was evidence of unprotected sex) didn't go straight to Planned Parenthood and get on Plan B with the morning after pill? Buffy lives in SF one of the most liberal cities in the US , not in some little town in the Bible Belt or something, and I don't see her as some super conservative girl who would never consider something like that. It makes no damn sense. Not to even mention STDs. UGH I hate this storyline. Like I said if these issues aren't brought up I may give up this comic cause it makes Buffy seem like a stupid person. :grr:
I think none of this will be brought up tho, Joss wants her pregnant. Full Stop. That's It. Hope I'm wrong.
And I agree about Angel(don't care for his story, don't care for his comic, he can drop off the face of the Earth IMO)
And the funny thing is if you go on the Bangel sites, like Blood Roses. they're all sure the baby is Angel's no matter how illogical that seems. But I wouldn't put anything past them after the GSF.And please don't let it be Xander's. Ugh!
I read the Spike web comic.Do you think Spike will be the babies surrogate Daddy? I hope that's it and he's not just some glorified babysitter,that I can't deal with. He was os cute with the little baby bugs.:)
Jan 17 2012 01:02 am #47Spikez_tart
I can't stand the thought of Buffy getting rid of her baby and I think Spike will be a great daddy. :)
I agree that this was a dumbass storyline and the Bangel's need to try counting. No way this could be Forehead's kid even if he wasn't a vampire which he is even tho he can now fly (which Buffy in S1 said vampires couldn't do) around in the sun and not even flame up.
And what is happening with the Vampyr book that Giles left Buffy???
I agree that this was a dumbass storyline and the Bangel's need to try counting. No way this could be Forehead's kid even if he wasn't a vampire which he is even tho he can now fly (which Buffy in S1 said vampires couldn't do) around in the sun and not even flame up.
And what is happening with the Vampyr book that Giles left Buffy???
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Well - if Dark Horse wants to try their Buffy franchise out with the dirty bath water - all they have to do is have Buffy carrying Angel's baby - even I would throw in my Buffyverse Towel - that is something that I could never ever accept. LOL - how I would laugh my butt off if Buffy had Angel's brat and he turned out to be a new monster.
BUT, you know what, I would not even be surprise by an Angel is the frggin daddy souped up into some totally nonsense Twilight- next generation-Magic Seed restoration crapola. Nothing will surprise me after the treatment Buffy had with the start of the Brad Meltzer arc -
BUT, you know what, I would not even be surprise by an Angel is the frggin daddy souped up into some totally nonsense Twilight- next generation-Magic Seed restoration crapola. Nothing will surprise me after the treatment Buffy had with the start of the Brad Meltzer arc -
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Well - if Dark Horse wants to try their Buffy franchise out with the dirty bath water - all they have to do is have Buffy carrying Angel's baby - even I would throw in my Buffyverse Towel - that is something that I could never ever accept. LOL - how I would laugh my butt off if Buffy had Angel's brat and he turned out to be a new monster.
BUT, you know what, I would not even be surprise by an Angel is the frggin daddy souped up into some totally nonsense Twilight- next generation-Magic Seed restoration crapola. Nothing will surprise me after the treatment Buffy had with the start of the Brad Meltzer arc -
If it is Angel's kid I think that might be the last straw for Spike. I don't think he'd hang around anymore. But still eeww! Angel already had a kid and he certainly wouldn't win dad of the year! I don't read the comics but I do keep up with everything you guys post. That said, would they actually do that? I mean they separated Angel & Faith and Buffy & Spike. Would they really do that? Please say it isn't so. And please tell me that the kid isn't Xander's, because that means he took advantage of her while she was drunk and makes me vomit in my mouth a bit. First because if he is the dad then he obviously never got over his thing for Buffy. And second that he would do that to a friend while dating that friends sister! That gives me a whole new level of ugliness to Xander and crosses a line that I don't think they can ever put a good spin on.
BUT, you know what, I would not even be surprise by an Angel is the frggin daddy souped up into some totally nonsense Twilight- next generation-Magic Seed restoration crapola. Nothing will surprise me after the treatment Buffy had with the start of the Brad Meltzer arc -
If it is Angel's kid I think that might be the last straw for Spike. I don't think he'd hang around anymore. But still eeww! Angel already had a kid and he certainly wouldn't win dad of the year! I don't read the comics but I do keep up with everything you guys post. That said, would they actually do that? I mean they separated Angel & Faith and Buffy & Spike. Would they really do that? Please say it isn't so. And please tell me that the kid isn't Xander's, because that means he took advantage of her while she was drunk and makes me vomit in my mouth a bit. First because if he is the dad then he obviously never got over his thing for Buffy. And second that he would do that to a friend while dating that friends sister! That gives me a whole new level of ugliness to Xander and crosses a line that I don't think they can ever put a good spin on.
Jan 23 2012 03:20 am #50Spikez_tart
The post office finally dragged around and delivered my copy of Slayer Interrupted and I have to say I thought this was an interesting book (Angel crap notwithstanding) and sadly, the graphics were very weak. Here's my thoughts:
The cover - aside from being weird - Buffy sits on a chair that's like a throne wearing one of the ugliest dresses in this or any other dimension. The cover seems to be showing all the things that are going to be happening for the next few comics:
Buffy goes to see Willow who is a big pain in the rump and a big whiner. W says get out the Vampyr book. Which Buffy does and it's about time. Plainly, Joss has something big planned for that book. So Buffy sits on her bed (wearing a yellow tee shirt with a robot). In the last box on Page 9, she's still reading the book, but now her tee shirt is green - showing the Second Dream starting. On the top left of Page 10, we see part of the back of the green tee - which has a blue wing. The bottom left of Page 10 shows the whole back of the shirt with blue wings. Presumably, this is a Big Clue that Angel was the one Buffy had nooky with at her party. No doubt the fact that somebody slipped Buffy a roofie took the edge off that one moment of true happiness.
The Prim shows up and takes B on a tour of a destroyed San Francisco with more zompires. Trashed San Francisco being the metaphor for the world without magic. B sees the broken scythe on top of the garbage dump. She realizes that the Prim is talking way too much and decides that someone is hacking her dream. B beats on the Prim and reveals Tinkerbell. B wakes up on top of the Vampyr book - yes we get the message the Book is Important. Considering that Faith got the swank London townhouse that book better have some winning lottery numbers.
Buffy goes back to Willow, who decides to watch while B sleeps to see what happens and could Willow be any more nasty? I've come to hate her a great deal. Also, I hate Buffy's pigtails. Whatever.
Third dream, tinkerbell shows up and points to the Prim who is talking to a girl who looks a lot like Buffy and is dressed like her when Buffy went to the future to visit Fray and is also wearing the same two gold hoop earrings. Huh. There's some chat about another Buffy who died keeping demons from coming to the surface, then Buffy stakes a vamp, then the Prim (off page) tells Buffy that Everything is All Buffy's Fault for Breaking the Seed!!!! Jeesh everybody get over it., Somehow Buffy gets past the zompire pack and runs up the garbage heap to the scythe which she can't get loose. Which would indicate that this Buffy is indeed not the real Buffy??
Willow shows up, grabs the scythe and runs off and being snooty to Buffy some more - wow did she grow up to be a bitch. Buffy watches as the Prim goes off with the other Buffy. Tinkerbell gives Buffy some jive that the slayer is part of her, but she's more than that. Note that Buffy and Willow wear the same clothes in the dream that they did when awake.
After some scrambling around and bad attitude from her roommates, Buffy takes a pregnancy test. The results are shown with a cross.
So, I think this means that Barrista Buffy is not the real Buffy; the baby (if that's what it is) belongs to Angel some way or other; Willow is going to revive magic but Xander at least will be turned into a vampire and we'll get a visit from VampWillow. The two "keys" are Buffy's baby and the scythe. And the Vampyr book contains the winning envelope from Publisher's Clearing House.
I missed the part in S8 where there were supposed to be Buffy imitators, so maybe someone can comment on the tie in here. Did the Scythe create multiple Buffies? Is this Buffy from the past or the future or another dimension? I've always thought the whole series could have been called Buffy the sibyl imitator.
The graphics: The cover was okay but the graphics inside were lame lame lame. Every page was boxes, most of the shots have just the figures and no backgrounds, there was no big splash page for the climax and the drawing was not as good as the previous books. This seems to be a pretty important issue, too bad they didn't do a better job.
The cover - aside from being weird - Buffy sits on a chair that's like a throne wearing one of the ugliest dresses in this or any other dimension. The cover seems to be showing all the things that are going to be happening for the next few comics:
- Tinkerbell is going to get trashed (boy that breaks my heart)
- Xander is going to get bit by a bald vampire (The Master?) which Good!
- There's an eyeball, a snake skin and a black bird-like thing on the bottom of the right side of Buffy's dress (left side of cover) Have no clue. Also on that side of the dress is Vamp Willow and a couple of skulls. I'm up for a visit from vamp willow.
- On the left side of Buffy's dress, is Willow holding the cracked open seed with something spewing out of it and a blue green demon. Okay - so the return to magic is not going to go well. Again Good.
- Off Buff's left shoulder (upper right cover) is some blue smeary stuff that you can't tell what it is. More future bad stuff I guess. That friend of Willows that she was cheating on when she was still with Kennedy (who gets mentioned in the book for no other good reason)??
- Buffy looks terrified and is clamping her toes to the chair.
Buffy goes to see Willow who is a big pain in the rump and a big whiner. W says get out the Vampyr book. Which Buffy does and it's about time. Plainly, Joss has something big planned for that book. So Buffy sits on her bed (wearing a yellow tee shirt with a robot). In the last box on Page 9, she's still reading the book, but now her tee shirt is green - showing the Second Dream starting. On the top left of Page 10, we see part of the back of the green tee - which has a blue wing. The bottom left of Page 10 shows the whole back of the shirt with blue wings. Presumably, this is a Big Clue that Angel was the one Buffy had nooky with at her party. No doubt the fact that somebody slipped Buffy a roofie took the edge off that one moment of true happiness.
The Prim shows up and takes B on a tour of a destroyed San Francisco with more zompires. Trashed San Francisco being the metaphor for the world without magic. B sees the broken scythe on top of the garbage dump. She realizes that the Prim is talking way too much and decides that someone is hacking her dream. B beats on the Prim and reveals Tinkerbell. B wakes up on top of the Vampyr book - yes we get the message the Book is Important. Considering that Faith got the swank London townhouse that book better have some winning lottery numbers.
Buffy goes back to Willow, who decides to watch while B sleeps to see what happens and could Willow be any more nasty? I've come to hate her a great deal. Also, I hate Buffy's pigtails. Whatever.
Third dream, tinkerbell shows up and points to the Prim who is talking to a girl who looks a lot like Buffy and is dressed like her when Buffy went to the future to visit Fray and is also wearing the same two gold hoop earrings. Huh. There's some chat about another Buffy who died keeping demons from coming to the surface, then Buffy stakes a vamp, then the Prim (off page) tells Buffy that Everything is All Buffy's Fault for Breaking the Seed!!!! Jeesh everybody get over it., Somehow Buffy gets past the zompire pack and runs up the garbage heap to the scythe which she can't get loose. Which would indicate that this Buffy is indeed not the real Buffy??
Willow shows up, grabs the scythe and runs off and being snooty to Buffy some more - wow did she grow up to be a bitch. Buffy watches as the Prim goes off with the other Buffy. Tinkerbell gives Buffy some jive that the slayer is part of her, but she's more than that. Note that Buffy and Willow wear the same clothes in the dream that they did when awake.
After some scrambling around and bad attitude from her roommates, Buffy takes a pregnancy test. The results are shown with a cross.
So, I think this means that Barrista Buffy is not the real Buffy; the baby (if that's what it is) belongs to Angel some way or other; Willow is going to revive magic but Xander at least will be turned into a vampire and we'll get a visit from VampWillow. The two "keys" are Buffy's baby and the scythe. And the Vampyr book contains the winning envelope from Publisher's Clearing House.
I missed the part in S8 where there were supposed to be Buffy imitators, so maybe someone can comment on the tie in here. Did the Scythe create multiple Buffies? Is this Buffy from the past or the future or another dimension? I've always thought the whole series could have been called Buffy the sibyl imitator.
The graphics: The cover was okay but the graphics inside were lame lame lame. Every page was boxes, most of the shots have just the figures and no backgrounds, there was no big splash page for the climax and the drawing was not as good as the previous books. This seems to be a pretty important issue, too bad they didn't do a better job.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
just a super quick reply 'cause no time right now - will read again and get back later.
Totally agree with you on the artwork - with all the hype in the early reviews, I was expecting outstanding artwork. I hated almost all of the art from Karl Moline in this issue - I am not a fan of his style. I hated the TOYL art as well. But Buffy in those pigtails - please. they looked totally absurb to me. I did like his drawings of Willow and Sineya and I very much like the drawing of Dawn and Xander as vamps.
I am hoping that the angel wings are intended as a big mis-direct as the use of a visual clues of this sort is just too obvious. But post The Greak Space Frak and Lovers Reunion, anything is possible and nothing would surprise me. The only thing that I can come up with is that Buffy's pregnancy may eventually end up as the connection to the Frayverse Timeline. If we consider how closely Buffy and Willow have been working as two parts of magic ritual, Willow being in the place of The Healer/Searcher as in The Grail Arthurian Lengend and Buffy and this pregnancy as the metaphor for The Seed Carrier/Vessel - I can see this phase of the series as that which will bring Frayverse and Buffyverse together.
With Drusilla in the mix now, what happened to the whole PR Comments from SA about keeping the Buffy series separate from Angel & Faith? I sure hope that The Magical Mystery Tour which nows seems like the foreshadow for all this Buffy Preggers arc and that the role Spike will play will be as a great supportive surrogate dad figure. Since the entire TMMT started with Spike and his Drusilla reference, there has to be some connection that plays out in the Buffy Preggers arc.
Another thing that I have been wondering about is how this might connect with the very strange "Giles Estate Will" - what if that ends up as the metaphor/foreshadow for Buffy being described by Fairy Dreamscape as "not slayer, but slayer within you" that eventually resolves the two timelines. It's like Faith tells Buffy, Giles thinks that Buffy is the real a number one son. It's such a strange plot twist that Giles would totally give over his estate to Faith and nada, zip for Buffy.
For such an important, all changing for Buffy issue, the choice to go with Karl Moline, I think was a mistake - even if he is the artist for Fray and TOYL - Jeanty would have at least given us a visual continuity - and he had been doing so very nice work this season with Buffy and Spike both.
Totally agree with you on the artwork - with all the hype in the early reviews, I was expecting outstanding artwork. I hated almost all of the art from Karl Moline in this issue - I am not a fan of his style. I hated the TOYL art as well. But Buffy in those pigtails - please. they looked totally absurb to me. I did like his drawings of Willow and Sineya and I very much like the drawing of Dawn and Xander as vamps.
I am hoping that the angel wings are intended as a big mis-direct as the use of a visual clues of this sort is just too obvious. But post The Greak Space Frak and Lovers Reunion, anything is possible and nothing would surprise me. The only thing that I can come up with is that Buffy's pregnancy may eventually end up as the connection to the Frayverse Timeline. If we consider how closely Buffy and Willow have been working as two parts of magic ritual, Willow being in the place of The Healer/Searcher as in The Grail Arthurian Lengend and Buffy and this pregnancy as the metaphor for The Seed Carrier/Vessel - I can see this phase of the series as that which will bring Frayverse and Buffyverse together.
With Drusilla in the mix now, what happened to the whole PR Comments from SA about keeping the Buffy series separate from Angel & Faith? I sure hope that The Magical Mystery Tour which nows seems like the foreshadow for all this Buffy Preggers arc and that the role Spike will play will be as a great supportive surrogate dad figure. Since the entire TMMT started with Spike and his Drusilla reference, there has to be some connection that plays out in the Buffy Preggers arc.
Another thing that I have been wondering about is how this might connect with the very strange "Giles Estate Will" - what if that ends up as the metaphor/foreshadow for Buffy being described by Fairy Dreamscape as "not slayer, but slayer within you" that eventually resolves the two timelines. It's like Faith tells Buffy, Giles thinks that Buffy is the real a number one son. It's such a strange plot twist that Giles would totally give over his estate to Faith and nada, zip for Buffy.
For such an important, all changing for Buffy issue, the choice to go with Karl Moline, I think was a mistake - even if he is the artist for Fray and TOYL - Jeanty would have at least given us a visual continuity - and he had been doing so very nice work this season with Buffy and Spike both.
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Jan 24 2012 04:20 am #52Spikez_tart
I didn't know Drusilla had made an appearance - in the Angel books?
I remembered today that Buffy got flowers from some guy across the hall. I'm sure he's around and could that be Angel? He doesn't socialize with the roommates but sends her flowers and comes to the party. Hard to see how he wouldn't be recognized by one and all. Sending flowers was always an Angelus thing, too.
We're assuming that the pregnancy will result in a baby. Which knowing Joss, unlikely.
The thing with the Severin has a very unfinished feel to me too. Especially where he comments that zapping Buffy feels different.
Time and Joss will tell.
I remembered today that Buffy got flowers from some guy across the hall. I'm sure he's around and could that be Angel? He doesn't socialize with the roommates but sends her flowers and comes to the party. Hard to see how he wouldn't be recognized by one and all. Sending flowers was always an Angelus thing, too.
We're assuming that the pregnancy will result in a baby. Which knowing Joss, unlikely.
The thing with the Severin has a very unfinished feel to me too. Especially where he comments that zapping Buffy feels different.
Time and Joss will tell.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
The reclusive neighbor character is Heinrich - which is one of the prime candidates for the mysterious father - especially with The Magical Mystery Tour reference to "love comes on leathery wings" the potential connection with this character who has the same name as The Master and was the original guardian of The Seed and the super sensitivity to sound as one of the descriptions from the party issue. This "love comes on leathery wings" could also be a foreshadow for Spike being a surrogate dad who will take the part of caretaker as he did in TMMT.
I certainly hope that after the fiasco that was so divisive of the fans with the Angel/Twangel Buffy Arc that Joss Whedon and Dark Horse would not go anywhere near a Buffy-Angel pregnancy. It would be completely illogical for Buffy to only now be feeling any effects of a pregnancy resulting from The Great Space Frak.
I certainly hope that after the fiasco that was so divisive of the fans with the Angel/Twangel Buffy Arc that Joss Whedon and Dark Horse would not go anywhere near a Buffy-Angel pregnancy. It would be completely illogical for Buffy to only now be feeling any effects of a pregnancy resulting from The Great Space Frak.
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Jan 24 2012 07:44 am #54Apollo
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maybe the wings on the back of her t-shirt signify that (please lord, please) finally, FINALLY angel is behind her?
Could the dream be telling Buffy that she will get pregnant? Not that she already is? I know unlikely with the drunken escapades that went on. But really for Joss to have her get pregnant like that it doesn't sit right. I read an interview after chosen aired where Joss said the show was about the empowerment of women. If Buffy is pregnant because she got falling down drunk and someone (or many someone's) took advantage of her in that state that isn't very empowering of women. It is probably all wishful thinking on my part. Because if she is going to have a baby I want it to be Spike's kid.
I have a sinking suspicion that she is pregnant and the baby is Xander's just because he couldn't help himself and he finally saw an opportunity to take what he has wanted from the beginning. I mean let's face it, even when he is with someone he isn't happy. He wanted to date Buffy but she turned him down for Angel. He was with Cordy and kissed Willow. Tried to rape Buffy (yeah yeah hyena possession my ass you know he really wanted to). Dumped Anya at the altar. Was jealous of the men in Buffy's life.
I have a sinking suspicion that she is pregnant and the baby is Xander's just because he couldn't help himself and he finally saw an opportunity to take what he has wanted from the beginning. I mean let's face it, even when he is with someone he isn't happy. He wanted to date Buffy but she turned him down for Angel. He was with Cordy and kissed Willow. Tried to rape Buffy (yeah yeah hyena possession my ass you know he really wanted to). Dumped Anya at the altar. Was jealous of the men in Buffy's life.
Jan 26 2012 03:12 am #56Spikez_tart
leathery wings - okay that is just EW. I still think Angel or some perverted version of him is in the running for Daddy of the Year. But that raises the question of how did he get in the apartment. (not that JW didn't abandon some of the rules for Twilight like flying around in the sun, the curse and no doubt other things I can't remember.) I can only hope that you're right Apollo.
falling down drunk and someone (or many someones) took advantage of her in that state that isn't very empowering of women - it takes a lot of booze to get that drunk. Maybe someone slipped her a roofie. Joss talks a big line about feminism but he doesn't always walk the walk.
Could the dream be telling Buffy that she will get pregnant? Not that she already is? - the first dream foreshadowed when the Prim socked her in the belly - and that's a pretty weird foreshadow. After the last dream, Buffy is awake, Willow is gone after stealing the scythe, then Buffy runs outside, then gets nauseous then makes an emergency run to the drug store. The roomates only appear when she's awake.
Sadly, missed Spike in this book. Maybe he's crashing that stupid flying thing and killing all his cockroach friends.
Can someone report on the Angel book? I'm not getting that one.
falling down drunk and someone (or many someones) took advantage of her in that state that isn't very empowering of women - it takes a lot of booze to get that drunk. Maybe someone slipped her a roofie. Joss talks a big line about feminism but he doesn't always walk the walk.
Could the dream be telling Buffy that she will get pregnant? Not that she already is? - the first dream foreshadowed when the Prim socked her in the belly - and that's a pretty weird foreshadow. After the last dream, Buffy is awake, Willow is gone after stealing the scythe, then Buffy runs outside, then gets nauseous then makes an emergency run to the drug store. The roomates only appear when she's awake.
Sadly, missed Spike in this book. Maybe he's crashing that stupid flying thing and killing all his cockroach friends.
Can someone report on the Angel book? I'm not getting that one.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Here is a summary by Zianna from Slayalive for the new Angel & Faith Issue which came out today - Here's the summary.
The issue begins with Angel in Highgate Cemetery. Douglas Adams is buried there and Angel has come to pay his respects. He had found :The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" in a dumpster back in the 80's which had helped him from committing suicide back then. But something else was there as well, Angel can smell the blood, but unfortunately it's gone now. And the blood trail leads him to an area called Holly Lodge Estate where elderly people live in public housing.
A policeman stops Angel wanting to know what he wants there and Angel says he wants to visit a friend. They go inside together while the policeman informs Angel that nothing usually happens or has happened lately, but as they open the door of an apartment the stench is unbearable. So they find a man who has killed at least 3 elderly people, standing on top of them saying that they had the disease but now he has cut it out. And then he tries to help Angel and the policeman too by trying to kill them. Angel fights back and knocks him unconscious. The policeman impressed by his fighting skills then tells him to step back since it's a murder scene and asks him if he knows any of the dead. But Angel says no because he doesn't think the one he's looking for has been there for a while.
So then we go back to a flashback from the 70s. Again in the Highgate Cemetery. Young Giles together with 4 other young people, all wannabe watchers, are training. They seem eager to complete the task and kill a vampire and Giles is the only one that wants to be careful about it. Only a girl seems to agree with Giles and his tactics, but before they finish talking on how they should look for the vampire and how to kill it, the vampire appears in front of them. But Giles realizes there is something wrong with that vampire and before he has the time to talk to the others, one of the boys named Philip attacks the vampire. But it's not a vampire, nor a man, and Giles' instincts were right. It's a Lorophage demon, much much stronger than vampires, which uses its proboscis and needle-like fingers to draw any sustenance from the minds of his victims. It's a fatal process. Basically the creature feeds on its victims traumatic experiences. And those wannabe young watchers have plenty of those. Traumatic experiences from being locked up in rooms with starving vampires or from peering into hell dimensions as part of their training. And the demon kills all the young watchers one by one, reaching up to Giles at the end. And Giles feels the process, he starts remembering all his traumatic experiences including the very last one which was watching just some seconds ago one of the young watchers, a girl, getting killed by the demon, a girl that he had never found the courage to ask her out. And now Giles is gonna die, first go utterly mad and then die. But just before his end, 2 older watchers come and attack the demon and save Giles' life. They've been watching the young ones by distance evaluating them, only a few seconds behind them, which were enough for the demon to slaughter the young ones. One of them is Giles' father and even they are no match for the demon. But the demon had already fed itself and it was sated so it run away from them. And that was the day that Giles' innocence was perished.
Next we find out that Giles' relationship with his father was very tense only to be made even worse by the events of that night. Giles blames his father and calls him a murderer, telling him that he had sent them to their death. His father says that it was a tragic event that the Council's intelligence was faulty about. Giles tells him that they weren't ready for it but his father replies that nobody is ever really ready for that job and that the specter of death is part of the life that they were chosen for. And we find out that Giles basically never really chose to become a watcher, that life was chosen for him at the age of 10 when he was asked to start studying horror and death together with latin and geometry. But the father insists, the supernatural road is their heritage, their destiny and they must serve it. But young Giles has already made up his mind and he decides to run away from all of that and follow his own path. But unfortunately he was hardly done with magic and death, but those events will be recount in due course.
The issue continues with Faith. She's in downtown London together with 2 other slayers who are fighting a vampire while Faith takes care of a girl that has been biten by the vampire. She'll be alright, the bite wasn't deep. At the meantime Nadira is ready to dust the vampire, but right before, Faith grabs her hand and stops her telling her to take a better look. He is not a vampire, but he is human, and Nadira almost killed him. The man says that we wanted to be sired and he asked for it, but since this is against the rules she didn't sired him so he decided to sire himself (LOL!) and took a bite on her. Faith tells the girls to call the police and an ambulance. Nadira feels so guilty that she had almost become a murderer, only to feel even worst by saying that in front of Faith who has already been there, done that. But Faith knows that the only reason that she saw that coming tonight and that she was able to stop Nadira, is actually because she has been on this road herself and she had done the same mistake. But Buffy didn't stop her in time. But Faith has dealt with it and payed for it and now she has used her past mistakes to actually save a life.
So Faith changes the conversation asking the girls if they know who is "she" that didn't agree to sire the guy because it's against the rules. Nadira days that probably is the "Mother Superior" and when she rejected to sire him that drove him over the edge and suggests to go after her. But the third slayer says that the Mother Superior hasn't broken any of Harmony's rules. Nadira replies that they are vampire slayers and that's what they do, kill vampires, and asks if it's illegal to kill a vampire that follows the rules. And we then learn from Faith that it is still a gray area, but killing a vampire that follows the rules will only result in starting a war. What they need is a reason to kill her and since most vampires come with skeletons in their closets, Faith now is on to that.
Next we find Angel and Faith training on the rooftop of Giles' residence. Faith tells him about Mother Superior while they train. Angel has heard of her, she attracts goth crowd like flies but she obeys the rules. Faith adds that she stays out of sight and she doesn't use her real name. Angel tells her that many vampires pick a different name when they get turned, it's a kind of tradition in some bloodlines and he doesn't seem eager to deal with it. But Faith draws his attention when she mentions that she thinks that Mother Superior is up to something since she has already run into 2 different nut jobs that tie to her. Not totally crazy people, more like too much drunk people who don't give a damn about anything, not even their lives or the lives of other people. And Angel has met one of them as well. Faith surprised tells him that she thought that his only mission was to bring back Giles. But Angel adds that it's kind of related, the last entry in Giles' diary that was talking about the Lorophage demon, he checked it with the watchers' files and found out that the demon has hibernation cycles. They sleep for decades and then wake up to feed themselves when "the stars of the old ones who birthed them align" which means now.
They go together to Alasdair telling him about the Lorophage demon. He says that this kind of demon is possible to cause an epidemic of madness but unlikely at the same time. There were cases that the victims went completely mad from all the traumatic experiences that were forced to surface but very rarely and only when the attack has been interrupted. The Lorophage demons prefer to drain every drop of their victims' brains and by that they kill them. Faith disagrees bringing Giles as an example, who has survived a Lorophage demon's attack and didn't die nor went mad. But Alasdair adds that Faith has no idea of his days as a Ripper and what he did and how he used magic. Faith still disagrees saying that being young and stupid doesn't make one crazy. Before things go worst between them Angel interferes wondering why the demon leaves the victims alive. Faith's theory is that the demon is being controlled but Alasdair says that Lorophage demons are resistant to magic. So Faith corrects her theory saying that maybe the demon is hypnotized by someone....by a vampire, as Angel adds. And Alasdair tells them that if the theory is correct, that means that this is a serious threat and they must put aside whatever else they are working on and focus on that. Faith kind of angry tells him they got it and they leave the house.
When outside, Angel asks her why she behaved like that, since they went to him to ask for his help. But Faith just thinks that he talks too much like every old guy. She has asked the girls to check a little bit and Daphine texted her that the newest residents of Arkham Asylum, people who had lived through very traumatic experiences and would be the perfect meal for a Lorophage demon, have all gone mad and gotten obsessed with Mother Superior. But what Angel doesn't understand is what does a vampire gain from making people crazy. And there is only one way to find out. Daphine informed Faith that Mother Superior lives in a deconsecrated church that was turned into a nightclub . And they decide to go and find her to end all this.
They attack going inside the church, asking the crowd, human groupies and minor vampires to take them to Mother Superior. But the crowd attacks and the fight starts. But Angel doesn't have the patience for that, and most of all, he hated churches since they bring back to him very bad memories. Nuns used to be his specialty, torturing them, killing them, and he had a vivid imagination. One could say that that was Angelus, but Angel remembers everything and Angel knows what Angel did and how good that made him feel. And some of his worst memories are from his time in London. So, wanting to end all this fighting, he knocks on a door trying to find Mother Superior, telling her that "it's time for confession, you go first, Mother Superior, it starts by "Bless me..." But before he finishes he sees Drusilla inside the room sitting on a throne, being worshiped by her minions telling him that she knows what comes next. After "bless me" it comes "Father...isn't that right?"
Meanwhile somewhere in a pub, a man approaches Nadira and another slayer who have a drink. He knows they are slayers and he is looking for Faith. Nadira tells him that they have never heard of her, but even if they had, why should they tell him? And the man replies that he has the best reason in the world, because he is her daddy.
Angel thinks that there is something not usual with Drusilla. She tells them she became somewhat nostalgic, a girl that almost became a nun so she decided to set her shop in a church. And the more things they change the more they stay the same. And Angel understands what is not right with Drusilla. She is sane!
End of issue 6.
The issue begins with Angel in Highgate Cemetery. Douglas Adams is buried there and Angel has come to pay his respects. He had found :The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" in a dumpster back in the 80's which had helped him from committing suicide back then. But something else was there as well, Angel can smell the blood, but unfortunately it's gone now. And the blood trail leads him to an area called Holly Lodge Estate where elderly people live in public housing.
A policeman stops Angel wanting to know what he wants there and Angel says he wants to visit a friend. They go inside together while the policeman informs Angel that nothing usually happens or has happened lately, but as they open the door of an apartment the stench is unbearable. So they find a man who has killed at least 3 elderly people, standing on top of them saying that they had the disease but now he has cut it out. And then he tries to help Angel and the policeman too by trying to kill them. Angel fights back and knocks him unconscious. The policeman impressed by his fighting skills then tells him to step back since it's a murder scene and asks him if he knows any of the dead. But Angel says no because he doesn't think the one he's looking for has been there for a while.
So then we go back to a flashback from the 70s. Again in the Highgate Cemetery. Young Giles together with 4 other young people, all wannabe watchers, are training. They seem eager to complete the task and kill a vampire and Giles is the only one that wants to be careful about it. Only a girl seems to agree with Giles and his tactics, but before they finish talking on how they should look for the vampire and how to kill it, the vampire appears in front of them. But Giles realizes there is something wrong with that vampire and before he has the time to talk to the others, one of the boys named Philip attacks the vampire. But it's not a vampire, nor a man, and Giles' instincts were right. It's a Lorophage demon, much much stronger than vampires, which uses its proboscis and needle-like fingers to draw any sustenance from the minds of his victims. It's a fatal process. Basically the creature feeds on its victims traumatic experiences. And those wannabe young watchers have plenty of those. Traumatic experiences from being locked up in rooms with starving vampires or from peering into hell dimensions as part of their training. And the demon kills all the young watchers one by one, reaching up to Giles at the end. And Giles feels the process, he starts remembering all his traumatic experiences including the very last one which was watching just some seconds ago one of the young watchers, a girl, getting killed by the demon, a girl that he had never found the courage to ask her out. And now Giles is gonna die, first go utterly mad and then die. But just before his end, 2 older watchers come and attack the demon and save Giles' life. They've been watching the young ones by distance evaluating them, only a few seconds behind them, which were enough for the demon to slaughter the young ones. One of them is Giles' father and even they are no match for the demon. But the demon had already fed itself and it was sated so it run away from them. And that was the day that Giles' innocence was perished.
Next we find out that Giles' relationship with his father was very tense only to be made even worse by the events of that night. Giles blames his father and calls him a murderer, telling him that he had sent them to their death. His father says that it was a tragic event that the Council's intelligence was faulty about. Giles tells him that they weren't ready for it but his father replies that nobody is ever really ready for that job and that the specter of death is part of the life that they were chosen for. And we find out that Giles basically never really chose to become a watcher, that life was chosen for him at the age of 10 when he was asked to start studying horror and death together with latin and geometry. But the father insists, the supernatural road is their heritage, their destiny and they must serve it. But young Giles has already made up his mind and he decides to run away from all of that and follow his own path. But unfortunately he was hardly done with magic and death, but those events will be recount in due course.
The issue continues with Faith. She's in downtown London together with 2 other slayers who are fighting a vampire while Faith takes care of a girl that has been biten by the vampire. She'll be alright, the bite wasn't deep. At the meantime Nadira is ready to dust the vampire, but right before, Faith grabs her hand and stops her telling her to take a better look. He is not a vampire, but he is human, and Nadira almost killed him. The man says that we wanted to be sired and he asked for it, but since this is against the rules she didn't sired him so he decided to sire himself (LOL!) and took a bite on her. Faith tells the girls to call the police and an ambulance. Nadira feels so guilty that she had almost become a murderer, only to feel even worst by saying that in front of Faith who has already been there, done that. But Faith knows that the only reason that she saw that coming tonight and that she was able to stop Nadira, is actually because she has been on this road herself and she had done the same mistake. But Buffy didn't stop her in time. But Faith has dealt with it and payed for it and now she has used her past mistakes to actually save a life.
So Faith changes the conversation asking the girls if they know who is "she" that didn't agree to sire the guy because it's against the rules. Nadira days that probably is the "Mother Superior" and when she rejected to sire him that drove him over the edge and suggests to go after her. But the third slayer says that the Mother Superior hasn't broken any of Harmony's rules. Nadira replies that they are vampire slayers and that's what they do, kill vampires, and asks if it's illegal to kill a vampire that follows the rules. And we then learn from Faith that it is still a gray area, but killing a vampire that follows the rules will only result in starting a war. What they need is a reason to kill her and since most vampires come with skeletons in their closets, Faith now is on to that.
Next we find Angel and Faith training on the rooftop of Giles' residence. Faith tells him about Mother Superior while they train. Angel has heard of her, she attracts goth crowd like flies but she obeys the rules. Faith adds that she stays out of sight and she doesn't use her real name. Angel tells her that many vampires pick a different name when they get turned, it's a kind of tradition in some bloodlines and he doesn't seem eager to deal with it. But Faith draws his attention when she mentions that she thinks that Mother Superior is up to something since she has already run into 2 different nut jobs that tie to her. Not totally crazy people, more like too much drunk people who don't give a damn about anything, not even their lives or the lives of other people. And Angel has met one of them as well. Faith surprised tells him that she thought that his only mission was to bring back Giles. But Angel adds that it's kind of related, the last entry in Giles' diary that was talking about the Lorophage demon, he checked it with the watchers' files and found out that the demon has hibernation cycles. They sleep for decades and then wake up to feed themselves when "the stars of the old ones who birthed them align" which means now.
They go together to Alasdair telling him about the Lorophage demon. He says that this kind of demon is possible to cause an epidemic of madness but unlikely at the same time. There were cases that the victims went completely mad from all the traumatic experiences that were forced to surface but very rarely and only when the attack has been interrupted. The Lorophage demons prefer to drain every drop of their victims' brains and by that they kill them. Faith disagrees bringing Giles as an example, who has survived a Lorophage demon's attack and didn't die nor went mad. But Alasdair adds that Faith has no idea of his days as a Ripper and what he did and how he used magic. Faith still disagrees saying that being young and stupid doesn't make one crazy. Before things go worst between them Angel interferes wondering why the demon leaves the victims alive. Faith's theory is that the demon is being controlled but Alasdair says that Lorophage demons are resistant to magic. So Faith corrects her theory saying that maybe the demon is hypnotized by someone....by a vampire, as Angel adds. And Alasdair tells them that if the theory is correct, that means that this is a serious threat and they must put aside whatever else they are working on and focus on that. Faith kind of angry tells him they got it and they leave the house.
When outside, Angel asks her why she behaved like that, since they went to him to ask for his help. But Faith just thinks that he talks too much like every old guy. She has asked the girls to check a little bit and Daphine texted her that the newest residents of Arkham Asylum, people who had lived through very traumatic experiences and would be the perfect meal for a Lorophage demon, have all gone mad and gotten obsessed with Mother Superior. But what Angel doesn't understand is what does a vampire gain from making people crazy. And there is only one way to find out. Daphine informed Faith that Mother Superior lives in a deconsecrated church that was turned into a nightclub . And they decide to go and find her to end all this.
They attack going inside the church, asking the crowd, human groupies and minor vampires to take them to Mother Superior. But the crowd attacks and the fight starts. But Angel doesn't have the patience for that, and most of all, he hated churches since they bring back to him very bad memories. Nuns used to be his specialty, torturing them, killing them, and he had a vivid imagination. One could say that that was Angelus, but Angel remembers everything and Angel knows what Angel did and how good that made him feel. And some of his worst memories are from his time in London. So, wanting to end all this fighting, he knocks on a door trying to find Mother Superior, telling her that "it's time for confession, you go first, Mother Superior, it starts by "Bless me..." But before he finishes he sees Drusilla inside the room sitting on a throne, being worshiped by her minions telling him that she knows what comes next. After "bless me" it comes "Father...isn't that right?"
Meanwhile somewhere in a pub, a man approaches Nadira and another slayer who have a drink. He knows they are slayers and he is looking for Faith. Nadira tells him that they have never heard of her, but even if they had, why should they tell him? And the man replies that he has the best reason in the world, because he is her daddy.
Angel thinks that there is something not usual with Drusilla. She tells them she became somewhat nostalgic, a girl that almost became a nun so she decided to set her shop in a church. And the more things they change the more they stay the same. And Angel understands what is not right with Drusilla. She is sane!
End of issue 6.
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Jan 27 2012 03:36 am #58Spikez_tart
Thanks nm - I didn't realize they'd gotten that far along or I wouldn't have asked - that was a tremendous download. :)
The Giles backstory is interesting and so is the rest. Angel doesn't deserve to have an interesting story. Damn.
The Giles backstory is interesting and so is the rest. Angel doesn't deserve to have an interesting story. Damn.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
There are always good summaries and it is no problem to post one here - good way for our members who are intersted but do not buy the comic books -
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
This is a test see if my image insert works - this is one of the Dru Panels that end the issue - 
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
The issue ends with Angel exclaiming that Drusilla is sane -
this image is the one showing Faith's dad looking for her - asking the slayers that are part of her group.
this image is the one showing Faith's dad looking for her - asking the slayers that are part of her group.
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Jan 29 2012 01:49 am #62Spikez_tart
Hm - Drusilla sane and not eating people. That's a twist. And Faith's dad showing up so Joss can work on those daddy issues some more. Maybe he'll find Hank Summers while he's out looking around. :)
And just how in the frilly heck does Angel propose to bring back Giles after he broke his neck? And without magic, too? Can't wait for that. Not to mention Buffy is better off without either one of them.
And just how in the frilly heck does Angel propose to bring back Giles after he broke his neck? And without magic, too? Can't wait for that. Not to mention Buffy is better off without either one of them.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Hey, is there any chance we can create a separate forum for the Angel and Faith Comic book readers? It's hard to follow the Buffy Season 9 discussion with them mixed. Maybe a third forum could discuss them both?
For the record: I'm all kinds of unhappy about Season 9 and its superficially painted characters behaving out of character. But I still want to talk about it.
Also not happy that (according to what I've read above), Angel's comic has explored Giles' past. WTF? We watch him die in Season 8 and don't get to learn more about this beloved character unless we buy the Angel comic books? Ugh.
For the record: I'm all kinds of unhappy about Season 9 and its superficially painted characters behaving out of character. But I still want to talk about it.
Also not happy that (according to what I've read above), Angel's comic has explored Giles' past. WTF? We watch him die in Season 8 and don't get to learn more about this beloved character unless we buy the Angel comic books? Ugh.
Feb 06 2012 08:36 pm #64Tamara
Guest
2 things.
Angel read Hitchhikers? Wouldn't it having an effect on him require he have a sense of humor?
I like the idea of Dru being sane. I doubt they'll have it but I really like the idea of Dru going off on Angel kicking his ass and possibly making some remarks about how she had to be insane to act the way Buffy did arounbd Angel.
Angel read Hitchhikers? Wouldn't it having an effect on him require he have a sense of humor?
I like the idea of Dru being sane. I doubt they'll have it but I really like the idea of Dru going off on Angel kicking his ass and possibly making some remarks about how she had to be insane to act the way Buffy did arounbd Angel.
I am posting a link to an interview about the comic's story line that has depressed me greatly. I don't understand their reasoning at all and I might just not even follow the season 9 comic's at all. Here it is:
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[SPOILER WARNING: This article contains major spoilers for "Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season 9" #3-5, in stores now.]
Just as Buffy Summers began to find new footing in San Francisco, events unlike any she's faced before have thrown her life into disarray once more. After Buffy destroyed the Seed to save all of reality at the end of "Season 8," all magic was banished from this plane of existence, with the exception of some inborn traits such as a Slayer's power. Without the threat of evils from another dimension, Buffy hoped to establish a new, quieter life as she dealt with the fallout of her actions, but now zombie vampires ("zompires"), altered demons, and other individuals with a unique grudge have come to upset the apple cart. And then came the revelation in issue #5 -- Buffy is with child.
Welcome back to BEHIND BUFFY SEASON 9, a regular feature in which we discuss the highlight reel of recent issues with the creators behind the series. Writer Andrew Chambliss joins us for the first time to talk about the Slayer's choices, her shifting cast, and what to look for as the season rolls on.
CBR News: Andrew, welcome to BEHIND BUFFY SEASON 9! I'd like to start with a bit of "big picture" discussion for this season. When "Season 9" launched, there was very much a sense of starting a new era in Buffy's life, and now we're starting to see more concretely what this phase will entail. After eight seasons -- one in comics -- why was it essential to make this leap now?
Andrew Chambliss: I think for everyone involved -- Joss, Dark Horse, etc. -- this just seemed like the natural evolution in Buffy's life. Settling down, trying to figure out who she is, and what she's going to do. In "Season 8," she faced what might be the biggest thing a Slayer could face -- the creation of a new universe at the expense of our own -- that it seemed like it was time to scale things down to something a little more human-sized. It'd be hard to go bigger than "Season 8." I also think that Buffy's age played a big part in Joss' decision to try to iris "Season 9" down to Buffy rebuilding her life in a world without magic. She's in her 20s, which I think is a time when a lot of people realize that they actually need to figure out who they are and what they're going to do with their life. I also think it's a time when reality starts to set in, that all your dreams might not be possible, or at the very least that you might have to choose one over the other.
I think Buffy's got to face these questions now -- whether she can be a Slayer and have a life outside of slaying, especially because all her friends are making these decisions. Is she going to grow with them? Or is she going to be left behind trying to hang on to the way her life used to be?
One of the themes of the series so far seems to be the idea of power -- both having it and losing it. In issues #3 and #4, we get to know Severin a bit, who seems to be the manifestation of this. Though they've gotten off to a bad start, could he potentially be an ally for Buffy? Might his powers allow Buffy the thing she's always wanted?
Having power and losing it is a theme that will play out across the season. Both on the character level, and on the world level. Severin's an interesting villain -- a guy who felt cheated by the loss of his girlfriend and didn't quite understand his powers when Simone recruited him. So I think his loyalties are definitely up in the air, but I don't think that means we should expect to see Buffy and Severin kicking ass and taking names together any time soon. We will see him again this season, and I think he will have had some time to reflect on the choices he made in the first arc -- but where that reflection leads him is something that I don't want to give away.
Now, the idea of Buffy being vulnerable to losing her power is something that will definitely be in play. But it's a complicated questions because no matter how much a part of her wants to have a normal life, so much of her identity is tied up in being a Slayer. Going to Sev to be depowered wouldn't be something she'd come to easily.
As "Buffy Season 9" and its sister title "Angel & Faith" progress, we're starting to see more and more what it means that magic has departed the world. Buffy notes that Sev's power "isn't exactly magic," Angel is encountering problems with certain demon panacaea, and even the nature of vampires is changing. Does Buffy realize yet herself how drastically she's altered things, or is it left to people like Willow to spell it out for her?
Buffy is definitely aware that she's changed the world, but she's only starting to peel back the first layer of what that means. Sure, she knows newly sired vampires are now zompires, and Sev was her first taste of a villain who was operating in the magickless world -- but she doesn't know how deep these changes are going to go -- at least not this early in the season. There will be people like Willow and Koh to help spell some of these changes out for her -- but even these characters aren't entirely in the know about just how much the loss of magic is going to ripple through the world. Buffy's going to have to live in the world and see the changes happen firsthand to really understand what's happened. And some of the changes are going to take time as old power structures topple and new orders are established.
Pretty much every arc that we have mapped out for the season is based on exploring a further development of what happens when magic disappears -- right now, I'm working on an arc that's fairly demon-heavy and exploring exactly how a certain group of demons is trying to skirt this issue.
You mention Eldre Koh, the Nitobe demon who wants to be Buffy's new best friend even as everybody else is on her case. Of course, they don't even have time for introductions at their first meeting. Will they get a chance to sit down and have some coffee pretty soon?
It's funny you ask the questions in that way, because Buffy and Koh's first real sitdown does occur over a cup of coffee -- just maybe not in the circumstances we'd all expect. Buffy and Koh are going to have an interesting relationship. Koh has been locked away for so long that the world is unfamiliar to him, and he also is indebted to Buffy because she's the one who freed him -- but there's a bit of a catch-22 here because Koh's life will definitely be affected by the lack of magic. He may have his innate demon powers, but the world that he remembers -- the world that existed a long time ago when he was locked up -- was one that still had magic, and he may be thrown by the new way the world works.
Koh mentions at one point that Buffy is becoming "more difficult to find." Does this tie in to the question of her identity as the Slayer, which comes into focus in #5?
Koh's statement about Buffy becoming more difficult to find was purely a practical matter. Since she was on the run from the police, he was going to have a much harder time to find her and deliver the warning about the Siphon.
Buffy's activity as the Slayer has now gone public, which brings the police into the picture and makes things difficult for her roommates. From the writing side, how does this change the sort of things you're able to throw at Buffy and friends?
As a writer, it's fun to think of the real world consequences Buffy would face for doing what she's doing. How would the police react to a vigilante killing vampires? How would the police try to deal with vampire problems? What gray area does Buffy's slaying fall into? What happens if Slayers try to make money off their talents? The answers to these questions lead to tons of story possibilities. For instance, an upcoming storyline with Dowling came out of asking what would the police do after discovering the giant nest of zompires at the end of issue #4? Who would Dowling recruit from the Scoobies to help him learn about zompires and Slaying?
Speaking of Detective Dowling, it looks like he's starting to play a larger role in Buffy's life. Can we expect a sort of Batman/Jim Gordon relationship between the two?
Buffy and Dowling will continue a relationship going forward. It's not that far off from Batman/Commissioner Gordon relationship. The SFPD is going to need some help dealing with the zompire population, and Dowling already has a friendship with Buffy based on his actions in at the end of #4 so he kind of seems like the natural go-between for the SFPD and Buffy. The characters also seem like a good fit in my mind because they're such interesting counterpoints to each other. Buffy is a character steeped in the supernatural who is now learning to live in a world that's lost most of its magic. Dowling, on the other hand, is a character who barely knew vampires existed until the surge in the zompire population, and now he's got to learn how to deal with them. They're both on opposite trajectories, but they both have a lot to teach each other. And I'm not just talking practicals, like how to slay or how to be a cop -- they have a lot to teach each other emotionally as well.
One of the intriguing subplots simmering away is Xander and Dawn's tiff; it's severe enough to send Xan to the couch for several issues, but not so bad that he's being kicked out (and they're still bantering). They've known each other forever, but are fairly new as a couple. How do you see their relationship at this point?
Dawn and Xander are still figuring out exactly what their relationship is. It's been a long time since either of them wasn't dealing with some sort of supernatural problem night and day so I think a lot of this season will be about the two of them figuring out who they are in this new world as individuals -- and as a couple -- so naturally there will be some friction between both of them. The tiff that had Xander sleeping on the couch is pointing to a storyline that we'll explore later in the season. It's definitely there for a reason.
Moving on to issue #5 -- the biggie! Willow and Buffy have reconciled, at least to a degree, but a shared dream-quest sends Willow on a journey with the mystical scythe to restore magic. Scott Allie has said this takes Willow out of the picture for the foreseeable future -- what was the thought behind removing her from Buffy's chessboard at this crucial moment?
This seemed like the perfect time to send Willow off -- just when Buffy needs her most. Willow would have been the first person she'd have gone to with the pregnancy news. The whole idea behind the pregnancy was to knock Buffy back on her feet -- to make her face something real in a way she hadn't before -- so having Willow off on a magical quest is really going to push Buffy to reach out to some people for help who she might not normally have considered talking to right away. We also wanted Buffy and Willow to be in a good place when Willow left, and by good place I mean a place where Buffy understands why Willow needs magic so much. I think it probably would have been too much of a whammy for Buffy to have lost Willow on bad terms and then to have found out she was pregnant. And just because Buffy is okay with Willow leaving, doesn't mean that she's not going to wish Willow were around during her absence this season.
Karl Moline stepped in as guest artist for this very personal issue. How does his visual style and direction punch up those pivotal moments with the First Slayer, Willow's goodbye, and that last page reveal?
Karl did such a tremendous job with the last page of issue #5 (not to mention the rest of the issue). It was a such a big moment -- and so important for the season -- and it seemed like something that should play with as little dialogue and as few captions as possible. So the challenge was capturing all this emotion in those two panels. The uncertainty, the anxiety, the fear, the surprise... that's a lot to capture in two panels on Buffy's face. But Karl did, and I absolutely love that last page -- I really feel like I'm inside Buffy's head in the first two panels, and then -- boom, I see what she sees in that last panel -- the positive pregnancy test!
Regarding the pregnancy, I spoke with Scott Allie about this development, but I'd love to hear your take on what this means for Buffy.
I'm not going to say too much about the pregnancy because I don't want to spoil the upcoming issues, but what I think is important about Buffy facing a pregnancy is that it's going to force her to really think about who she is, what's important to her, and what being a Slayer means. This isn't something she can run from or ignore. I also think it's something that is extremely relatable -- one of those things that so many people have been through -- that makes them reassess where they are in their life and where they want to be. I'm also not going to say anything about the father, but Spike, along with some of the Scoobies, will play a role in helping Buffy deal with all the recent events.
The First Slayer (or a reasonable facsimile) tells Buffy, "You are not the Slayer." Does this play into the power/loss of power throughline?
The First Slayer's line is definitely something that will come back to haunt Buffy this season. I don't want to give it away, but what the First Slayer is telling Buffy isn't confined to issue #5.
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Feb 09 2012 04:26 pm #66Caro Mio
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Joss is interviewed about the current issue: http://shelf-life.ew.com/2012/02/08/buffy-season-9-joss-whedon/
Spoilers inside, obviously. And again, I think the man doesn't have a clue who the character actually is.
Spoilers inside, obviously. And again, I think the man doesn't have a clue who the character actually is.
Joss is interviewed about the current issue: http://shelf-life.ew.com/2012/02/08/buffy-season-9-joss-whedon/
Spoilers inside, obviously. And again, I think the man doesn't have a clue who the character actually is.
Thank GOD! First off a baby at this point in her life is a mistake. She can barely take care of herself! As she proved by getting passed out drunk and someone taking advantage of her. She has made so many bad decisions because of sex and about sex in her life. (That whole thing with Angel and creating another universe with sex? May I just say it showed just how completely selfish Angel is. As long as he got Buffy who cared about all the billions of people who would die in this dimension.) Getting an abortion is the most adult decision she has ever made and its the most responsible one.
I mean where would she live? She shares an apartment with two other people (i think it's only 2) Where would she put a baby? Would her roommates even want a baby living with them? She works at a coffee shop. Can she afford a place on her own? What about daycare costs? Nightly slaying? Plus she doesn't even know who the father is and if she got any diseases from the bastard who knocked her up. Buffy never seemed to be the motherly type, sure she took care of Dawn after Joyce died. But taking care of a baby is a whole different thing.
Spoilers inside, obviously. And again, I think the man doesn't have a clue who the character actually is.
Thank GOD! First off a baby at this point in her life is a mistake. She can barely take care of herself! As she proved by getting passed out drunk and someone taking advantage of her. She has made so many bad decisions because of sex and about sex in her life. (That whole thing with Angel and creating another universe with sex? May I just say it showed just how completely selfish Angel is. As long as he got Buffy who cared about all the billions of people who would die in this dimension.) Getting an abortion is the most adult decision she has ever made and its the most responsible one.
I mean where would she live? She shares an apartment with two other people (i think it's only 2) Where would she put a baby? Would her roommates even want a baby living with them? She works at a coffee shop. Can she afford a place on her own? What about daycare costs? Nightly slaying? Plus she doesn't even know who the father is and if she got any diseases from the bastard who knocked her up. Buffy never seemed to be the motherly type, sure she took care of Dawn after Joyce died. But taking care of a baby is a whole different thing.
Feb 09 2012 06:14 pm #68Guest
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Joss is interviewed about the current issue: http://shelf-life.ew.com/2012/02/08/buffy-season-9-joss-whedon/
Spoilers inside, obviously. And again, I think the man doesn't have a clue who the character actually is.
Gotta agree Joss doesn't seem to remember the characters he created. I also turned the page and read writer Andrew Chambliss' interview. His talk of Buffy not loving Spike and Spike having to live with unrequited love really irked me. It's seems obvious there's not even going to be an acknowledgement of Spike and Buffy's journey through the series. I guess as a Spike/Spuffy fan I should be used to getting the shaft.
Spoilers inside, obviously. And again, I think the man doesn't have a clue who the character actually is.
Gotta agree Joss doesn't seem to remember the characters he created. I also turned the page and read writer Andrew Chambliss' interview. His talk of Buffy not loving Spike and Spike having to live with unrequited love really irked me. It's seems obvious there's not even going to be an acknowledgement of Spike and Buffy's journey through the series. I guess as a Spike/Spuffy fan I should be used to getting the shaft.
I agree with you ginar...but that interview makes me believe that she isn't gonna get an abortion. I'd be very surprised if she did actually. And it looks like Spike might be the father, and that has me worried cause you know it's gonna get ugly. People are gonna say that Spike"raped" Buffy cause she was so drunk that she couldn't consent. Mind you these are the same people who insisted that Buffy was not "raped" at that party...but throw Spike in the mix as the baby daddy and their song changes. Urgh!!
In some places he's being called pathetic cause he is agreeing to help Buffy when she told him she was gonna get an abortion,they call him a "yes man" an "ass kisser" "Buffy's lap dog"...it's really disgusting. Some are even happy cause they say he's agreeing to abort his baby. :(
I really hope he's not the daddy, and if they make Xander the father I'm outta here, that would be the final straw.
The Chambliss interview annoyed me too. I mean c'mon...perpetually unrequired love? No thanks...have Spike move on plz. I can't deal with another S5. It gets ridiculous after a while. At this point I'd even be happy if he left with Dru ~never thought I'd say that :insane: ~ cause this hanging around perpetually in love with someone who doesn't love him is getting OLD. :wall:
And what pisses me off the most is that S7 is forgotten forever. Didn't happen. You're all imagining things. You Spuffies are crazy. Yeah, bitter is my middle name right now. :(
In some places he's being called pathetic cause he is agreeing to help Buffy when she told him she was gonna get an abortion,they call him a "yes man" an "ass kisser" "Buffy's lap dog"...it's really disgusting. Some are even happy cause they say he's agreeing to abort his baby. :(
I really hope he's not the daddy, and if they make Xander the father I'm outta here, that would be the final straw.
The Chambliss interview annoyed me too. I mean c'mon...perpetually unrequired love? No thanks...have Spike move on plz. I can't deal with another S5. It gets ridiculous after a while. At this point I'd even be happy if he left with Dru ~never thought I'd say that :insane: ~ cause this hanging around perpetually in love with someone who doesn't love him is getting OLD. :wall:
And what pisses me off the most is that S7 is forgotten forever. Didn't happen. You're all imagining things. You Spuffies are crazy. Yeah, bitter is my middle name right now. :(
I agree with you ginar...but that interview makes me believe that she isn't gonna get an abortion. I'd be very surprised if she did actually. And it looks like Spike might be the father, and that has me worried cause you know it's gonna get ugly. People are gonna say that Spike"raped" Buffy cause she was so drunk that she couldn't consent. Mind you these are the same people who insisted that Buffy was not "raped" at that party...but throw Spike in the mix as the baby daddy and their song changes. Urgh!!
In some places he's being called pathetic cause he is agreeing to help Buffy when she told him she was gonna get an abortion,they call him a "yes man" an "ass kisser" "Buffy's lap dog"...it's really disgusting. Some are even happy cause they say he's agreeing to abort his baby. :(
I really hope he's not the daddy, and if they make Xander the father I'm outta here, that would be the final straw.
The Chambliss interview annoyed me too. I mean c'mon...perpetually unrequired love? No thanks...have Spike move on plz. I can't deal with another S5. It gets ridiculous after a while. At this point I'd even be happy if he left with Dru ~never thought I'd say that :insane: ~ cause this hanging around perpetually in love with someone who doesn't love him is getting OLD. :wall:
And what pisses me off the most is that S7 is forgotten forever. Didn't happen. You're all imagining things. You Spuffies are crazy. Yeah, bitter is my middle name right now. :(
Oh yeah they will go nuts if Spike is the daddy. They will bring up the bathroom incident and say he has a history of it where Buffy is concerned. But I think if it is Xander (not only will I bring up my lunch!) no one will really say anything. It will be pushed under the rug somehow and he will get away with his actions. It is the double standard they have. A human and Spike can commit the same act but Spike will be vilified for it while the human is excused.
I personally don't think Buffy will ever be mature enough to be a parent not the way she is written in the show or the comics. She is emotionally stunted and unwilling to do the hard work required to honestly find and belong in a loving relationship. I would love it if her and Spike achieved that someday. But I doubt it could ever happen except in fanfiction. She goes from one relationship to the next and never really gets to know the person she is with and she is quick to tell others that she loves them. She barely knows them but she gives love that isn't really there in an effort to keep them with her. I think the biggest reason is because she really doesn't know what romantic love is. She thinks she knows and/or she pretends she knows hoping she will figure it out along the way.
It pains me to say that unless she would be willing to give the baby to Spike to raise I would prefer her to have an abortion even if it is Spike's baby. She isn't in a place where she can monetarily provide for a child much less provide the love and commitment a child needs. I know a lot of people would say Spike can't raise a human child, but I think he would love that child and would and could do what was needed for it. I think to Buffy a child is one more person to save one more burden. She may try to convince herself she still wants normal, but she hated the most normal part of her life. Dropping out of college, taking a minimum wage job and raising her sister when her mother died. That is normal, average ordinary human lives and she hated it. A baby! No way.
In some places he's being called pathetic cause he is agreeing to help Buffy when she told him she was gonna get an abortion,they call him a "yes man" an "ass kisser" "Buffy's lap dog"...it's really disgusting. Some are even happy cause they say he's agreeing to abort his baby. :(
I really hope he's not the daddy, and if they make Xander the father I'm outta here, that would be the final straw.
The Chambliss interview annoyed me too. I mean c'mon...perpetually unrequired love? No thanks...have Spike move on plz. I can't deal with another S5. It gets ridiculous after a while. At this point I'd even be happy if he left with Dru ~never thought I'd say that :insane: ~ cause this hanging around perpetually in love with someone who doesn't love him is getting OLD. :wall:
And what pisses me off the most is that S7 is forgotten forever. Didn't happen. You're all imagining things. You Spuffies are crazy. Yeah, bitter is my middle name right now. :(
Oh yeah they will go nuts if Spike is the daddy. They will bring up the bathroom incident and say he has a history of it where Buffy is concerned. But I think if it is Xander (not only will I bring up my lunch!) no one will really say anything. It will be pushed under the rug somehow and he will get away with his actions. It is the double standard they have. A human and Spike can commit the same act but Spike will be vilified for it while the human is excused.
I personally don't think Buffy will ever be mature enough to be a parent not the way she is written in the show or the comics. She is emotionally stunted and unwilling to do the hard work required to honestly find and belong in a loving relationship. I would love it if her and Spike achieved that someday. But I doubt it could ever happen except in fanfiction. She goes from one relationship to the next and never really gets to know the person she is with and she is quick to tell others that she loves them. She barely knows them but she gives love that isn't really there in an effort to keep them with her. I think the biggest reason is because she really doesn't know what romantic love is. She thinks she knows and/or she pretends she knows hoping she will figure it out along the way.
It pains me to say that unless she would be willing to give the baby to Spike to raise I would prefer her to have an abortion even if it is Spike's baby. She isn't in a place where she can monetarily provide for a child much less provide the love and commitment a child needs. I know a lot of people would say Spike can't raise a human child, but I think he would love that child and would and could do what was needed for it. I think to Buffy a child is one more person to save one more burden. She may try to convince herself she still wants normal, but she hated the most normal part of her life. Dropping out of college, taking a minimum wage job and raising her sister when her mother died. That is normal, average ordinary human lives and she hated it. A baby! No way.
Feb 10 2012 05:07 am #71Immortal Beloved
My thinky thoughts on the latest issue: http://beloved-77.livejournal.com/100840.html.
Give me Spuffy, or give me death.
Feb 10 2012 11:27 pm #72Spikez_tart
I went back and looked at 1st issue again. The day after the party, the roomates say that Buffy went to visit the mysterious neighbor Heinrich for 20 minutes and he sent her flowers the next day. So, whoever Heinrich is, doesn't need an invite, since B went to visit him. No one else at the party saw him and only the roomates know what he looks like. Obviously, he broods. He sent her flowers the next day, indicative of some romance. We see the flowers again in a later book, which they must have been preserved in formaldahyde or something.
I agree that someone slipped her a roofie. For a person like her who doesn't regularly drink, a black out is pretty unlikely. And, Willow's lack of concern makes me wonder if she didn't have a part in this plan?
I think Heinrich did the deed. I think he's Angel, because of the wings on the back of her tee shirt in the last issue, but I don't know how that scares with the Angel book. Also, still think this "baby" is tied in with bringing back the seed.
I agree that someone slipped her a roofie. For a person like her who doesn't regularly drink, a black out is pretty unlikely. And, Willow's lack of concern makes me wonder if she didn't have a part in this plan?
I think Heinrich did the deed. I think he's Angel, because of the wings on the back of her tee shirt in the last issue, but I don't know how that scares with the Angel book. Also, still think this "baby" is tied in with bringing back the seed.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Feb 16 2012 04:25 am #73Spikez_tart
Wow - this comic was actually great! (Just me?)
First - the excellent Nikki story with a fine side dish of Robin. Guess his big affair with Faith didn't pan out. Was there something about this last season? I missed a bunch of comics at the beginning. Crowley was pretty scruffy looking for a Watcher, not to mention a lot more dependable than Giles turned out to be. The panel with the Twin Towers in the background was creepy and sad. Not sure how I feel about the artist using the towers to create a mood. It's not something that ought to be cheapened.
Then - Spike having a man to man talk with the cop. Once again Spike gets called on his BS that he and Buffy are just friends. AND THEN, he's just about to tell her - who knows what. I love you. I would if you still would? He's hanging back too much in an I'm Doing What's Best For Buffy way, but I guess JW has to stretch out the agony for us Spuffies.
But Buffy - can't decide who the daddy is. On the short list, a couple of non-bathers, Andrew (as if), Spike and the guy down the hall whose name she can't remember. Xander doesn't even make the list since Buffy is having a heart to heart with Dawn. So my money is still on the mysterious Heinrich.
Also in this scene, Buffy says the "book" is being re-written on vampires since she destroyed the Seed. Hinting again that there is something very important in that book that Giles left her. Which she's been resisting reading since the day she first met Giles.
I'm surprised she still hasn't figured out that somebody slipped her a roofie. Also, it appears that she remembers vaguely the neighbor, so he's the likely suspect for putting a little something in her drink.
The last scene, with Buffy symbolically sticking her feet in the water and not being completely immersed was a cool twist on a time honored metaphor and artistically also cool with the aqua blue light reflecting up on her. For the heart ringing moments, there's Spike starting, then not telling her he loves her, there's Buffy saying she wanted to run away with Spike to raise the baby (and why the hell doesn't she?) and Spike agreeing to go with her to do the terrible deed.
Can't say that I like the theory that because you are ready to grow up, you should avoid whatever it is that's just been dumped in your lap. In my experience, there's nothing like getting married to boot your butt right into adult world, and I imagine that would go triple for having a baby. Buffy is still avoiding things that she doesn't want to deal with and it's not attractive no matter what spin she puts on it. She's going to end up having the baby or whatever it is, I think, so she won't be able to avoid a little maturity after all.
The art work was much much better than last issue. Cover a little lame, but hell, it had Spike and Buffy together. So its all good. Pretty rigid in terms of straight up panels without any breakouts or big exciting pages, but it wasn't the big action scene kind of issue.
First - the excellent Nikki story with a fine side dish of Robin. Guess his big affair with Faith didn't pan out. Was there something about this last season? I missed a bunch of comics at the beginning. Crowley was pretty scruffy looking for a Watcher, not to mention a lot more dependable than Giles turned out to be. The panel with the Twin Towers in the background was creepy and sad. Not sure how I feel about the artist using the towers to create a mood. It's not something that ought to be cheapened.
Then - Spike having a man to man talk with the cop. Once again Spike gets called on his BS that he and Buffy are just friends. AND THEN, he's just about to tell her - who knows what. I love you. I would if you still would? He's hanging back too much in an I'm Doing What's Best For Buffy way, but I guess JW has to stretch out the agony for us Spuffies.
But Buffy - can't decide who the daddy is. On the short list, a couple of non-bathers, Andrew (as if), Spike and the guy down the hall whose name she can't remember. Xander doesn't even make the list since Buffy is having a heart to heart with Dawn. So my money is still on the mysterious Heinrich.
Also in this scene, Buffy says the "book" is being re-written on vampires since she destroyed the Seed. Hinting again that there is something very important in that book that Giles left her. Which she's been resisting reading since the day she first met Giles.
I'm surprised she still hasn't figured out that somebody slipped her a roofie. Also, it appears that she remembers vaguely the neighbor, so he's the likely suspect for putting a little something in her drink.
The last scene, with Buffy symbolically sticking her feet in the water and not being completely immersed was a cool twist on a time honored metaphor and artistically also cool with the aqua blue light reflecting up on her. For the heart ringing moments, there's Spike starting, then not telling her he loves her, there's Buffy saying she wanted to run away with Spike to raise the baby (and why the hell doesn't she?) and Spike agreeing to go with her to do the terrible deed.
Can't say that I like the theory that because you are ready to grow up, you should avoid whatever it is that's just been dumped in your lap. In my experience, there's nothing like getting married to boot your butt right into adult world, and I imagine that would go triple for having a baby. Buffy is still avoiding things that she doesn't want to deal with and it's not attractive no matter what spin she puts on it. She's going to end up having the baby or whatever it is, I think, so she won't be able to avoid a little maturity after all.
The art work was much much better than last issue. Cover a little lame, but hell, it had Spike and Buffy together. So its all good. Pretty rigid in terms of straight up panels without any breakouts or big exciting pages, but it wasn't the big action scene kind of issue.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Hey, is there any chance we can create a separate forum for the Angel and Faith Comic book readers? It's hard to follow the Buffy Season 9 discussion with them mixed. Maybe a third forum could discuss them both?
For the record: I'm all kinds of unhappy about Season 9 and its superficially painted characters behaving out of character. But I still want to talk about it.
Also not happy that (according to what I've read above), Angel's comic has explored Giles' past. WTF? We watch him die in Season 8 and don't get to learn more about this beloved character unless we buy the Angel comic books? Ugh.
I think the "Hitchhiker" reference could have been intended as the connection theme that is part of the Lorophage and his victims, how this demon takes sustenance from the emotions of his victims. Drusilla and this demon are now together. What we might see is that they are connected and that the demon may be using her as a vehicle for manipulating people so that the force of their powerful emotions can be drained.
For the record: I'm all kinds of unhappy about Season 9 and its superficially painted characters behaving out of character. But I still want to talk about it.
Also not happy that (according to what I've read above), Angel's comic has explored Giles' past. WTF? We watch him die in Season 8 and don't get to learn more about this beloved character unless we buy the Angel comic books? Ugh.
I think the "Hitchhiker" reference could have been intended as the connection theme that is part of the Lorophage and his victims, how this demon takes sustenance from the emotions of his victims. Drusilla and this demon are now together. What we might see is that they are connected and that the demon may be using her as a vehicle for manipulating people so that the force of their powerful emotions can be drained.
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No way is the father either Spike or Angel. Joss has given Angel his own comic and universe. Moreover, I think the whole Twilight cosmic sex story was a nod to the die hard Bangel fans. He gave them what they'd always wanted and then gave them a choice: follow the Angel comic or follow the Buffy one. The Angel comic though, is itself a nod to the Fangel fans. That leaves Buffy for the Spuffy lovers, and I think the time Joss devoted to developing the Spuffy on the show is a testament to his gretear affection for that relationship - whether it works out the way we want it to or not.
The baby is Heinrich's. If it were Xander's baby, all Buffy fans would jump ship and I think Joss knows that. I almost jumped ship at the suggestion that Xander and Buffy hooked up, just like I almost jumped ship when Buffy tried to get in the way of Xander and Dawn's relationship in Season 8. If the baby isn't Heinrich's, then it's a magical seed or a demon or something implanted.
I also think Buffy was drugged.
Is it just me, or does anyone else think it is highly unlikely that it would only just occur to Spike that he still loves Buffy when this cop he just met suggests it? It's as unlikely that Spike would decide to tell her suddenly because the cop tells him to. It's even more unlikely that Spike would suggest the cop date Buffy himself! Since when was Spike spewing the Angel line of "Buffy needs a normal life"? He acknowledged in the same issue that Buffy's world was as supernatural crazy as they get. He's supposed to know her better than anyone. That includes knowing that she will always be the Slayer, always be the One.
And does anybody else want Spike's life to be about more than rushing to Buffy when she needs him?
And does anybody else want to know when and how Buffy first discovered Spike was still alive? If they don't want to address the Hellmouth protestations of love, fine. But Spike's introduction on Angel was initially dominated by his indecision regarding whether or not to tell Buffy he was alive.
There are too many inconsistencies in this series to count. But I read still...
The baby is Heinrich's. If it were Xander's baby, all Buffy fans would jump ship and I think Joss knows that. I almost jumped ship at the suggestion that Xander and Buffy hooked up, just like I almost jumped ship when Buffy tried to get in the way of Xander and Dawn's relationship in Season 8. If the baby isn't Heinrich's, then it's a magical seed or a demon or something implanted.
I also think Buffy was drugged.
Is it just me, or does anyone else think it is highly unlikely that it would only just occur to Spike that he still loves Buffy when this cop he just met suggests it? It's as unlikely that Spike would decide to tell her suddenly because the cop tells him to. It's even more unlikely that Spike would suggest the cop date Buffy himself! Since when was Spike spewing the Angel line of "Buffy needs a normal life"? He acknowledged in the same issue that Buffy's world was as supernatural crazy as they get. He's supposed to know her better than anyone. That includes knowing that she will always be the Slayer, always be the One.
And does anybody else want Spike's life to be about more than rushing to Buffy when she needs him?
And does anybody else want to know when and how Buffy first discovered Spike was still alive? If they don't want to address the Hellmouth protestations of love, fine. But Spike's introduction on Angel was initially dominated by his indecision regarding whether or not to tell Buffy he was alive.
There are too many inconsistencies in this series to count. But I read still...
The thing is regarding this pregnancy - logic would almost have to make this a human baby - why would a pregnancy test designed for humans work on a non-human fetus? I don't know what to think about this pregnancy - it would seems that it needs to be something other than a human child and a mystical impregnation to service the "resurrection of magic"
Excerpt from the Joss Whedon EW interview:
Do you know who the father is?
I know everything about it, but will tell you nothing. Except, like I said, it’s going to end up being a storyline that is rooted in the Buffyverse. I’m not going to turn the comic book into something other than what it is. The whole thing isn’t going to be, well, normal. There’s not going to be a lot of “normal” going on, but hopefully there’s a certain amount of “relatable.” We’re going to pursue what this storyline means, but not in a way people are going to expect.
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This answer would indicate that the set-up is for this not to be a normal human pregnancy - and I don't see how Buffy having had a normal human child would work in this story. Unless Buffy is carrying the future Slayer bloodline that leads to the Frayverse and the magics and forces involved with creating the Slayer only change the DNA after conception; I think this will be connected to the establishment of a new guardian and resurrection of "The Seed of Wonder." That Joss whedon chose this name, unless he is playing a big mislead, is significant to something extremely important to human beings and this world - The Seed of Wonder to me is like the magic of our visionaries and people who have always advanced the human race. The Seed of Wonder, to me is the metaphor for everything that makes humanity great; the magic of the human mind and heart that feeds the creative force and energy. Willow is right, we need magic in this world because without the creative force and the dreamers with the visions humanity stops moving forward and developing. The Zompires, to me are the new metaphor for what humanity would be without the human mind and intellect.
It's also, for me, great that Spike is part of the fight against The Zompires - because his journey story of transformation was for me about everything that humanity can become and leave behind. Spike, with his love for Buffy, learned how to win against the mindless primal instincts that we see in these new vampires.
Taking the idea of "rooted in the Buffyverse" what are your speculations regarding how this pregnancy might be "rooted" in the Buffyverse? Spike has given his "no sudsy" line and I am taking that as this pregnancy will not become a soap opera with Xander and Buffy having become intangled in a moment of uncontrolled passion. Anyway, what could possibly top our Great Space Frak for that moment of passion amongst the stars?
What I find very interesting as a female fan is how Joss Whedon has once again used his primary heroine in such extremely horrrific ways. He has both Nikki and Buffy in a situation where they cannot even know who would be the father. Did Nikki secretly know who the father of Robin is and just did not want to tell her watcher? And Nikki always put "The Mission" first before any considerations for her child.
Some readers take the position that Nikki was the example of the modern woman who is trying to do both roles, the professional devoted to her work and passion for that work and still trying to fulfill the role of a demoted mother. But I don't see it that way at all - and for however harsh Spike may have been with Robin, I think he had it right - that Nikki loved Robin but that he came in second place. And the fact is that for all the people who take on these jobs of protectors of the society; either as policemen, firemen, soldiers, etc - sometimes their families and children do have to suffer because of the burdens of the work their parents take on.
With Nikki and Buffy, what makes a big difference is that they know full well the extreme danger that they must face all the time - they know, as Crowley makes clear, that a child would also be dragged into that life of extreme danger and that both parent and child would be vulnerable to any enemy, demon or person who wants to use the child as leverage against a slayer parent.
you can see some of the panels here: https://picasaweb.google.com/103058662790492748180/BS9Six?authkey=Gv1sRgCIujqNq7rtOJFQ#
Excerpt from the Joss Whedon EW interview:
Do you know who the father is?
I know everything about it, but will tell you nothing. Except, like I said, it’s going to end up being a storyline that is rooted in the Buffyverse. I’m not going to turn the comic book into something other than what it is. The whole thing isn’t going to be, well, normal. There’s not going to be a lot of “normal” going on, but hopefully there’s a certain amount of “relatable.” We’re going to pursue what this storyline means, but not in a way people are going to expect.
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This answer would indicate that the set-up is for this not to be a normal human pregnancy - and I don't see how Buffy having had a normal human child would work in this story. Unless Buffy is carrying the future Slayer bloodline that leads to the Frayverse and the magics and forces involved with creating the Slayer only change the DNA after conception; I think this will be connected to the establishment of a new guardian and resurrection of "The Seed of Wonder." That Joss whedon chose this name, unless he is playing a big mislead, is significant to something extremely important to human beings and this world - The Seed of Wonder to me is like the magic of our visionaries and people who have always advanced the human race. The Seed of Wonder, to me is the metaphor for everything that makes humanity great; the magic of the human mind and heart that feeds the creative force and energy. Willow is right, we need magic in this world because without the creative force and the dreamers with the visions humanity stops moving forward and developing. The Zompires, to me are the new metaphor for what humanity would be without the human mind and intellect.
It's also, for me, great that Spike is part of the fight against The Zompires - because his journey story of transformation was for me about everything that humanity can become and leave behind. Spike, with his love for Buffy, learned how to win against the mindless primal instincts that we see in these new vampires.
Taking the idea of "rooted in the Buffyverse" what are your speculations regarding how this pregnancy might be "rooted" in the Buffyverse? Spike has given his "no sudsy" line and I am taking that as this pregnancy will not become a soap opera with Xander and Buffy having become intangled in a moment of uncontrolled passion. Anyway, what could possibly top our Great Space Frak for that moment of passion amongst the stars?
What I find very interesting as a female fan is how Joss Whedon has once again used his primary heroine in such extremely horrrific ways. He has both Nikki and Buffy in a situation where they cannot even know who would be the father. Did Nikki secretly know who the father of Robin is and just did not want to tell her watcher? And Nikki always put "The Mission" first before any considerations for her child.
Some readers take the position that Nikki was the example of the modern woman who is trying to do both roles, the professional devoted to her work and passion for that work and still trying to fulfill the role of a demoted mother. But I don't see it that way at all - and for however harsh Spike may have been with Robin, I think he had it right - that Nikki loved Robin but that he came in second place. And the fact is that for all the people who take on these jobs of protectors of the society; either as policemen, firemen, soldiers, etc - sometimes their families and children do have to suffer because of the burdens of the work their parents take on.
With Nikki and Buffy, what makes a big difference is that they know full well the extreme danger that they must face all the time - they know, as Crowley makes clear, that a child would also be dragged into that life of extreme danger and that both parent and child would be vulnerable to any enemy, demon or person who wants to use the child as leverage against a slayer parent.
you can see some of the panels here: https://picasaweb.google.com/103058662790492748180/BS9Six?authkey=Gv1sRgCIujqNq7rtOJFQ#
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
This answer would indicate that the set-up is for this not to be a normal human pregnancy - and I don't see how Buffy having had a normal human child would work in this story.
What a thoughtful and interesting comment, and not just what I've quoted. You've convinced me. The baby is mystical.
Slaymesoftly: Is there any way that forum posts could be listed in descending order with the most recent post first?
Feb 24 2012 01:16 pm #78slaymesoftly
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No way is the father either Spike or Angel. Joss has given Angel his own comic and universe. Moreover, I think the whole Twilight cosmic sex story was a nod to the die hard Bangel fans. He gave them what they'd always wanted and then gave them a choice: follow the Angel comic or follow the Buffy one. The Angel comic though, is itself a nod to the Fangel fans. That leaves Buffy for the Spuffy lovers, and I think the time Joss devoted to developing the Spuffy on the show is a testament to his gretear affection for that relationship - whether it works out the way we want it to or not.
The baby is Heinrich's. If it were Xander's baby, all Buffy fans would jump ship and I think Joss knows that. I almost jumped ship at the suggestion that Xander and Buffy hooked up, just like I almost jumped ship when Buffy tried to get in the way of Xander and Dawn's relationship in Season 8. If the baby isn't Heinrich's, then it's a magical seed or a demon or something implanted.
I also think Buffy was drugged.
Is it just me, or does anyone else think it is highly unlikely that it would only just occur to Spike that he still loves Buffy when this cop he just met suggests it? It's as unlikely that Spike would decide to tell her suddenly because the cop tells him to. It's even more unlikely that Spike would suggest the cop date Buffy himself! Since when was Spike spewing the Angel line of "Buffy needs a normal life"? He acknowledged in the same issue that Buffy's world was as supernatural crazy as they get. He's supposed to know her better than anyone. That includes knowing that she will always be the Slayer, always be the One.
And does anybody else want Spike's life to be about more than rushing to Buffy when she needs him?
And does anybody else want to know when and how Buffy first discovered Spike was still alive? If they don't want to address the Hellmouth protestations of love, fine. But Spike's introduction on Angel was initially dominated by his indecision regarding whether or not to tell Buffy he was alive.
There are too many inconsistencies in this series to count. But I read still...
Inconsistencies, thy name is Joss. LOL Yes, the idea of Spike wanting a "normal" life for Buffy is way too Angel-like to suit me. He's the one who told her she was "the One". It would be nice if his life was about more than following Buffy around, but the scene in the latest comic was lovely and gave me hope that he is going to be acknowledged (by her) for his importance in her life. So far, I'm just absorbing the events and crossing my fingers that it isn't going to go hell in a hand basket.
The baby is Heinrich's. If it were Xander's baby, all Buffy fans would jump ship and I think Joss knows that. I almost jumped ship at the suggestion that Xander and Buffy hooked up, just like I almost jumped ship when Buffy tried to get in the way of Xander and Dawn's relationship in Season 8. If the baby isn't Heinrich's, then it's a magical seed or a demon or something implanted.
I also think Buffy was drugged.
Is it just me, or does anyone else think it is highly unlikely that it would only just occur to Spike that he still loves Buffy when this cop he just met suggests it? It's as unlikely that Spike would decide to tell her suddenly because the cop tells him to. It's even more unlikely that Spike would suggest the cop date Buffy himself! Since when was Spike spewing the Angel line of "Buffy needs a normal life"? He acknowledged in the same issue that Buffy's world was as supernatural crazy as they get. He's supposed to know her better than anyone. That includes knowing that she will always be the Slayer, always be the One.
And does anybody else want Spike's life to be about more than rushing to Buffy when she needs him?
And does anybody else want to know when and how Buffy first discovered Spike was still alive? If they don't want to address the Hellmouth protestations of love, fine. But Spike's introduction on Angel was initially dominated by his indecision regarding whether or not to tell Buffy he was alive.
There are too many inconsistencies in this series to count. But I read still...
Inconsistencies, thy name is Joss. LOL Yes, the idea of Spike wanting a "normal" life for Buffy is way too Angel-like to suit me. He's the one who told her she was "the One". It would be nice if his life was about more than following Buffy around, but the scene in the latest comic was lovely and gave me hope that he is going to be acknowledged (by her) for his importance in her life. So far, I'm just absorbing the events and crossing my fingers that it isn't going to go hell in a hand basket.
I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
I am upper management.
Feb 24 2012 01:21 pm #79slaymesoftly
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This answer would indicate that the set-up is for this not to be a normal human pregnancy - and I don't see how Buffy having had a normal human child would work in this story.
What a thoughtful and interesting comment, and not just what I've quoted. You've convinced me. The baby is mystical.
Slaymesoftly: Is there any way that forum posts could be listed in descending order with the most recent post first?
@ msJane - I think that's been asked before, but I don't recall the answer. It's a question for Dia, who writes the scripts for the site, not me who only knows how to click buttons. :) I'll try to ask her, but you might get a faster answer by making you question a forum thread on the support or problem section.
I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
I am upper management.
@ msJane - I think that's been asked before, but I don't recall the answer. It's a question for Dia, who writes the scripts for the site, not me who only knows how to click buttons. :) I'll try to ask her, but you might get a faster answer by making you question a forum thread on the support or problem section.
Thanks SMS. I've just posted a question on the forum thread. :-)
Feb 28 2012 02:46 am #81Spikez_tart
Ms Jane - Agree that it's Heinrich the Mysterious - but who the hell is Heinrich????
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Feb 28 2012 12:58 pm #82slaymesoftly
Moderator
Ms Jane - Agree that it's Heinrich the Mysterious - but who the hell is Heinrich????
The Master? Magically reincarnated... again! His name was Heinrich when he was human.
The Master? Magically reincarnated... again! His name was Heinrich when he was human.
I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
I am upper management.
The Master? Magically reincarnated... again! His name was Heinrich when he was human.
Whoa. How do you know the Masters real name?! That's interesting. But the Master is dust - as in bones pounded into powder. I'm happy with Heinrich being a new character, despite the flurry of new introductions.
The important thing for me, however, is that Buffy did NOT hook up with Xander or any other random guy at the party. It just wouldn't be believable to me. Girls get drunk and make mistakes at parties, sure. But not all of us do, and Buffy just never struck me as the type that uses sex that way. When she was Beer Bad, she wasn't promiscuous. When she got drunk with Spike in Season 6, she wasn't promiscuous. I don't see her getting drunk and promiscuous at this particular low in her life. If she's pregnant, it wasn't as a result of her own actions. She hasn't been feeling the lonely woman thing. She's been feeling the thoroughly guilty, isolated Slayer thing. She's desperate for friends at the moment, not boyfriends - especially after the cosmic orgasm she had with Angel that ruined the world. And I was under the impression that she had accepted the Dawn/Xander thing. It would just be so thoroughly abominable for her to hurt her sister that way.
How about that "run away with Spike" thing? I thought that was fascinating - mainly because they haven't written her as *feeling* a great deal for Spike so far beyond a bit of horniness in Season 8 when he first showed up. She certainly relies on him, however, so I think the "running away together" was a demonstration of how thoroughly he's regained her trust, and how easy she finds it to lean on him and ask him to share her burdens. Giles' "You rely on him and he relies on you" warning speech is ringing in my ear. The only other person she leans on in that way is Dawn. It's so sweet, that I find myself being contented with the writers making them the best of friends, with his love being kept under wraps until she gets a clue.
Whoa. How do you know the Masters real name?! That's interesting. But the Master is dust - as in bones pounded into powder. I'm happy with Heinrich being a new character, despite the flurry of new introductions.
The important thing for me, however, is that Buffy did NOT hook up with Xander or any other random guy at the party. It just wouldn't be believable to me. Girls get drunk and make mistakes at parties, sure. But not all of us do, and Buffy just never struck me as the type that uses sex that way. When she was Beer Bad, she wasn't promiscuous. When she got drunk with Spike in Season 6, she wasn't promiscuous. I don't see her getting drunk and promiscuous at this particular low in her life. If she's pregnant, it wasn't as a result of her own actions. She hasn't been feeling the lonely woman thing. She's been feeling the thoroughly guilty, isolated Slayer thing. She's desperate for friends at the moment, not boyfriends - especially after the cosmic orgasm she had with Angel that ruined the world. And I was under the impression that she had accepted the Dawn/Xander thing. It would just be so thoroughly abominable for her to hurt her sister that way.
How about that "run away with Spike" thing? I thought that was fascinating - mainly because they haven't written her as *feeling* a great deal for Spike so far beyond a bit of horniness in Season 8 when he first showed up. She certainly relies on him, however, so I think the "running away together" was a demonstration of how thoroughly he's regained her trust, and how easy she finds it to lean on him and ask him to share her burdens. Giles' "You rely on him and he relies on you" warning speech is ringing in my ear. The only other person she leans on in that way is Dawn. It's so sweet, that I find myself being contented with the writers making them the best of friends, with his love being kept under wraps until she gets a clue.
The Master? Magically reincarnated... again! His name was Heinrich when he was human.
Whoa. How do you know the Masters real name?! That's interesting. But the Master is dust - as in bones pounded into powder. I'm happy with Heinrich being a new character, despite the flurry of new introductions.
The important thing for me, however, is that Buffy did NOT hook up with Xander or any other random guy at the party. It just wouldn't be believable to me. Girls get drunk and make mistakes at parties, sure. But not all of us do, and Buffy just never struck me as the type that uses sex that way. When she was Beer Bad, she wasn't promiscuous. When she got drunk with Spike in Season 6, she wasn't promiscuous. I don't see her getting drunk and promiscuous at this particular low in her life. If she's pregnant, it wasn't as a result of her own actions. She hasn't been feeling the lonely woman thing. She's been feeling the thoroughly guilty, isolated Slayer thing. She's desperate for friends at the moment, not boyfriends - especially after the cosmic orgasm she had with Angel that ruined the world. And I was under the impression that she had accepted the Dawn/Xander thing. It would just be so thoroughly abominable for her to hurt her sister that way.
How about that "run away with Spike" thing? I thought that was fascinating - mainly because they haven't written her as *feeling* a great deal for Spike so far beyond a bit of horniness in Season 8 when he first showed up. She certainly relies on him, however, so I think the "running away together" was a demonstration of how thoroughly he's regained her trust, and how easy she finds it to lean on him and ask him to share her burdens. Giles' "You rely on him and he relies on you" warning speech is ringing in my ear. The only other person she leans on in that way is Dawn. It's so sweet, that I find myself being contented with the writers making them the best of friends, with his love being kept under wraps until she gets a clue.
But how long is Spike supposed to have the unrequited love for her before she gets a clue? Eventually it will just make him look pitiful. Sure he is the self proclaimed Love's Bitch, but even that has limits. The fact that they have him standing on the sidelines when the whole Angel Buffy sonic boom sex thing went on and now her being pregnant by an unknown person, I think it's getting out of hand. If they can't move them forward together they should allow him to move on. I mean he has been in love with her since around the end of season 4 beginning of season 5. He has already waited 4 to 5 years how much longer is he supposed to wait?
Whoa. How do you know the Masters real name?! That's interesting. But the Master is dust - as in bones pounded into powder. I'm happy with Heinrich being a new character, despite the flurry of new introductions.
The important thing for me, however, is that Buffy did NOT hook up with Xander or any other random guy at the party. It just wouldn't be believable to me. Girls get drunk and make mistakes at parties, sure. But not all of us do, and Buffy just never struck me as the type that uses sex that way. When she was Beer Bad, she wasn't promiscuous. When she got drunk with Spike in Season 6, she wasn't promiscuous. I don't see her getting drunk and promiscuous at this particular low in her life. If she's pregnant, it wasn't as a result of her own actions. She hasn't been feeling the lonely woman thing. She's been feeling the thoroughly guilty, isolated Slayer thing. She's desperate for friends at the moment, not boyfriends - especially after the cosmic orgasm she had with Angel that ruined the world. And I was under the impression that she had accepted the Dawn/Xander thing. It would just be so thoroughly abominable for her to hurt her sister that way.
How about that "run away with Spike" thing? I thought that was fascinating - mainly because they haven't written her as *feeling* a great deal for Spike so far beyond a bit of horniness in Season 8 when he first showed up. She certainly relies on him, however, so I think the "running away together" was a demonstration of how thoroughly he's regained her trust, and how easy she finds it to lean on him and ask him to share her burdens. Giles' "You rely on him and he relies on you" warning speech is ringing in my ear. The only other person she leans on in that way is Dawn. It's so sweet, that I find myself being contented with the writers making them the best of friends, with his love being kept under wraps until she gets a clue.
But how long is Spike supposed to have the unrequited love for her before she gets a clue? Eventually it will just make him look pitiful. Sure he is the self proclaimed Love's Bitch, but even that has limits. The fact that they have him standing on the sidelines when the whole Angel Buffy sonic boom sex thing went on and now her being pregnant by an unknown person, I think it's getting out of hand. If they can't move them forward together they should allow him to move on. I mean he has been in love with her since around the end of season 4 beginning of season 5. He has already waited 4 to 5 years how much longer is he supposed to wait?
Feb 28 2012 11:21 pm #85slaymesoftly
Moderator
The Master? Magically reincarnated... again! His name was Heinrich when he was human.
Whoa. How do you know the Masters real name?! That's interesting. But the Master is dust - as in bones pounded into powder. I'm happy with Heinrich being a new character, despite the flurry of new introductions.
The important thing for me, however, is that Buffy did NOT hook up with Xander or any other random guy at the party. It just wouldn't be believable to me. Girls get drunk and make mistakes at parties, sure. But not all of us do, and Buffy just never struck me as the type that uses sex that way. When she was Beer Bad, she wasn't promiscuous. When she got drunk with Spike in Season 6, she wasn't promiscuous. I don't see her getting drunk and promiscuous at this particular low in her life. If she's pregnant, it wasn't as a result of her own actions. She hasn't been feeling the lonely woman thing. She's been feeling the thoroughly guilty, isolated Slayer thing. She's desperate for friends at the moment, not boyfriends - especially after the cosmic orgasm she had with Angel that ruined the world. And I was under the impression that she had accepted the Dawn/Xander thing. It would just be so thoroughly abominable for her to hurt her sister that way.
How about that "run away with Spike" thing? I thought that was fascinating - mainly because they haven't written her as *feeling* a great deal for Spike so far beyond a bit of horniness in Season 8 when he first showed up. She certainly relies on him, however, so I think the "running away together" was a demonstration of how thoroughly he's regained her trust, and how easy she finds it to lean on him and ask him to share her burdens. Giles' "You rely on him and he relies on you" warning speech is ringing in my ear. The only other person she leans on in that way is Dawn. It's so sweet, that I find myself being contented with the writers making them the best of friends, with his love being kept under wraps until she gets a clue.
The Master was resurrected in some fashion so that he could guard the seed in season 8. I forget when/how we know his name is Heinrich - probably in some kind of flashback or reminiscing on Angel's part (or Darla's) Could even have been in a Watcher's Diary that discussed the Aurelian line. Don't really know, but as far as I know that was his name when he was human. (tried to find it on Wikki, but there were too many places to look) It's possible that's fanon, rather than canon, but if it is, it's pretty weird that the comics used that name for the mysterious neighbor... Unless I'm missing something from the end of season 8 and Buffy smashed his bones to dust again, but I don't think so.
ETA - Found it in several places on Wikki - Heinrich Joseph Nest is his full name.
Whoa. How do you know the Masters real name?! That's interesting. But the Master is dust - as in bones pounded into powder. I'm happy with Heinrich being a new character, despite the flurry of new introductions.
The important thing for me, however, is that Buffy did NOT hook up with Xander or any other random guy at the party. It just wouldn't be believable to me. Girls get drunk and make mistakes at parties, sure. But not all of us do, and Buffy just never struck me as the type that uses sex that way. When she was Beer Bad, she wasn't promiscuous. When she got drunk with Spike in Season 6, she wasn't promiscuous. I don't see her getting drunk and promiscuous at this particular low in her life. If she's pregnant, it wasn't as a result of her own actions. She hasn't been feeling the lonely woman thing. She's been feeling the thoroughly guilty, isolated Slayer thing. She's desperate for friends at the moment, not boyfriends - especially after the cosmic orgasm she had with Angel that ruined the world. And I was under the impression that she had accepted the Dawn/Xander thing. It would just be so thoroughly abominable for her to hurt her sister that way.
How about that "run away with Spike" thing? I thought that was fascinating - mainly because they haven't written her as *feeling* a great deal for Spike so far beyond a bit of horniness in Season 8 when he first showed up. She certainly relies on him, however, so I think the "running away together" was a demonstration of how thoroughly he's regained her trust, and how easy she finds it to lean on him and ask him to share her burdens. Giles' "You rely on him and he relies on you" warning speech is ringing in my ear. The only other person she leans on in that way is Dawn. It's so sweet, that I find myself being contented with the writers making them the best of friends, with his love being kept under wraps until she gets a clue.
The Master was resurrected in some fashion so that he could guard the seed in season 8. I forget when/how we know his name is Heinrich - probably in some kind of flashback or reminiscing on Angel's part (or Darla's) Could even have been in a Watcher's Diary that discussed the Aurelian line. Don't really know, but as far as I know that was his name when he was human. (tried to find it on Wikki, but there were too many places to look) It's possible that's fanon, rather than canon, but if it is, it's pretty weird that the comics used that name for the mysterious neighbor... Unless I'm missing something from the end of season 8 and Buffy smashed his bones to dust again, but I don't think so.
ETA - Found it in several places on Wikki - Heinrich Joseph Nest is his full name.
I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
I am upper management.
But how long is Spike supposed to have the unrequited love for her before she gets a clue? Eventually it will just make him look pitiful. Sure he is the self proclaimed Love's Bitch, but even that has limits. The fact that they have him standing on the sidelines when the whole Angel Buffy sonic boom sex thing went on and now her being pregnant by an unknown person, I think it's getting out of hand. If they can't move them forward together they should allow him to move on. I mean he has been in love with her since around the end of season 4 beginning of season 5. He has already waited 4 to 5 years how much longer is he supposed to wait?
Look, I agree with you entirely, but his "moving on" could include their being the best of friends, provided he has a life that involves more than that. I didn't read the Spike comic, but presumably he was being a bad ass in it, having interesting adventures on his own. It looks like they're trying to make Spike and the cop friends - they already have a fairly easy and open relationship. I suspect we'll hear again about the possibility of Buffy and the cop dating... It wouldn't hurt for Spike to be introduced to a woman himself to mix things up and get Buffy thinking about who she takes for granted.
Look, I agree with you entirely, but his "moving on" could include their being the best of friends, provided he has a life that involves more than that. I didn't read the Spike comic, but presumably he was being a bad ass in it, having interesting adventures on his own. It looks like they're trying to make Spike and the cop friends - they already have a fairly easy and open relationship. I suspect we'll hear again about the possibility of Buffy and the cop dating... It wouldn't hurt for Spike to be introduced to a woman himself to mix things up and get Buffy thinking about who she takes for granted.
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