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BSV Forum - General - The Bloodshedpub An essay on Intervention I found his interesting essay on the episode Intervention and it opened my eyes on facts I have never noticed when watching the episode. I wanted to share it with you all. Here you can find the whole essay. These are some points I thought interesting: 1- To begin, I’ll use two quotes - one from the beginning, one from the end, that establish how the theme is explored: 3- Xander goes to talk to Spike, to stop him from ‘taking advantage’ of Buffy. The following conversation ensues (these being the main parts): 4- On a side note, this episode is Spander extraordinaire. I mean these lines alone: It's better if you read the essay from the link I gave. Mar 04 2007 02:22 pm #2Guest Don't forget- Buffy even explained Spike's reasons for having the Bot made, in that episode. She says to Dawn, "Weird love's better than no love." I didn't read the essay, so I don't know if that was pointed out. That quote is the reason I see the Bot as sad, not creepy. FetchingMadScientist Mar 04 2007 06:30 pm #3Scarlet Ibis In s6, Tara was the only one who said "Do you love him? It's okay if you do. He loves you." Dawn sees it in s5, but doesn't see it as disgusting. Giles saw it as the inevitable was my impression at the end of s6. The role reversal of Xander was interesting as well, although, he did just see his ex fiance get screwed by the vamp in question, so that probably fueled his anger and misunderstanding. Had Buffy come clean initially about what was happening between her and Spike, I think Dawn, Tara and Xander would have supported it, Anya indifferent, Willow confused (as she is at the end of SR), and Giles upset, but again, he saw it coming, I have no doubt about it. I'm not sure if the essay brings this up, because I haven't had a chance to read it, but between the whole what's real and what isn't, it's clear that by the end of Intervention that Spike's love is real, even though most people on the show at that point consider him to be an inanimate object (which was incorrect, even if his love for Buffy wasn't true) and therefore not a "real" being. Oh yea, just wanted to add that Buffy continued the "Spike is evil" trend by telling her friends that Spike was the Doctor in s6, even though it wasn't 100% true. Stupid Riley. Stupider Buffy... "Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly." https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel Mar 04 2007 07:17 pm #4Spikez_tart The Buffybot is a very interesting character in her own right - whatever she says becomes true/prophetic for the real Buffy. She has sex with Spike after a fight - later Human Buffy does; she tells the gang that they have to rescue Spike and they do, even though Buffy plans to kill Spike to keep him from telling Glory about Dawn; Buffybot says you have to see Spike naked and Buffy eventually does; Buffybot gets "killed" when she's fried with electricity - Buffy is killed (or commits suicide) at the end of the season. In the next season, Buffybot is physically torn apart as Buffy is returning from heaven - Buffy is subsequently torn apart emotionally by the demands of her friends and taking care of Dawn and abusing Spike. What's most interesting is that none of Buffy's so-called friends recognize that the Bot is not the real Buffy, no matter what kind of crazy thing she says or does, Willow and Xander don't figure it out until Human Buffy appears and the two are standing next to each other. None of Buffy's friends (including Spike) recognizes that Buffy is not really herself after the Faith switch either. Only Tara, who has never met Buffy before sees that anything is wrong.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who? Mar 04 2007 07:34 pm #5Scarlet Ibis Spikez_Tart, now that you mention it, electric like currents go through Buffy as the portal sucks out her blood, doesn't it? And for Faith in Buffy's body to tell him that it would be "wrong" for her to be with him/sleep with him, is wickedly weird, considering she was dying to get into Angel's pants, and knowing that vampire stamina would be better than a human's. Hell, almost anybody would be better in bed than boring ol' Riley. I didn't get that part, except unless she was trying to show Buffy up in the bedroom since she couldn't in regular life (slaying, family, friends... meh). "Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly." https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel Mar 04 2007 09:56 pm #6Spikez_tart electric like currents go through Buffy as the portal sucks out her blood, doesn't it? - DEFINITELY. The Bot is almost a precursor of Buffy's death, not that there aren't other foreshadowings, and when Buffy comes back, the Bot is destroyed. The whole thing with Faith in Buffy's Body and Spike is weird in a totally flamable way. I'm pretty sure that Faith grabs Spike's crotch at one point. The camera is on his face and he flinches. Faith sleeps with Riley (and it's not even clear how she knows about or finds hime) in order to piss Buffy off. Why not sleep with Spike? That would really send Buffy into orbit. And the fallout would be beyond belief. Damn - how did Joss miss that one? Sorry for weird typing.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who? I think the reason Faith sleeps with Riley and not Spike is because
she's not just trying to piss Buffy off. She wants to BE Buffy. She's
sick of Buffy getting everything and her getting nothing, and she wants
to know what it's like. If her plan had gone off the way it was
supposed to, Buffy would've never gotten her body back and never known
what Faith did with it. So yeah, sleeping with Spike would've been fun
(and foolish Faith for passing up the opportunity!) but sleeping with
Riley gets her the loving boyfriend that Buffy's always had and Faith's
never had. And as for how she knows about Riley - when she's still in her own
body, she spies on the gang at Giles's, and she sees Buffy and Riley
being (gag me) couply. Also, I think Willow mentions Riley when they're
at the Bronze. How she knew where he lived... well, that I don't know. Writing should feel easy, like a monkey driving a speed boat. Mar 05 2007 05:52 am #8Scarlet Ibis She definitely grabs his crotch, and probably massages it too judging by the look of arousal and desire on Spike's face, and the anger and frustration when he realizes that no, he would not be having sex with Buffy like she strongly (well, Faith strongly) suggested. As for being Buffy... true, but nothing screams "Buffy" like having sex with a hot vampire. Silly Faith. "Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly." https://www.facebook.com/FangirlNovel I agree with Eowyn325. I think it's because Spike didn't mean a thing to Buffy at that time, Faith went after Buffy's boyfriend, she wants to live Buffy's life with the friends, the family and the boyfriend. | |||
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