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Is our ship dying/dead?(Buffy - season8)

Apr 06 2007 05:46 pm   #1Dihcar

Issue2 of Buffy season8 came out this week.  And it has some Buffy/Xander moments.

For those of you that have read it, what are your thoughts.  Do you think Joss will take it in that direction?  And if so, will you accept it?  Talk about the biggest humiliation for Spike if doughnut-boy gets Buffy.

Me personly, i have chosen to wait for issue 3 for my final judgement because that's probaly when it will be revealed,finalized, but so far it doesn't look good.  

 If it does happen then i'll just stop buying season8comics and only buy Spike and Angel season6 comics over at IDW.  And hope that a new female character gets introduced as love intrest for Spike.  One that deserves his love.

 

Seeya

Spike/Fray=The future
Apr 06 2007 06:29 pm   #2slaymesoftly

I think I read some spoilers somewhere that indicated something between Buffy and Xander, but nothing permanent. It was a while ago, though and I might not be remembering it right. I don't think Joss is willing to put her with anyone permanently - he'd be stoned by all the shippers out there - Spuffy and Bangel both!

Apparently in Season IV, he had planned to have a Buffy/Xander thing, but Sarah nixed it.  I read that somewhere, anyway.

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I am upper management.
Apr 06 2007 07:12 pm   #3Eowyn315

Haven't gotten my issue 2 yet, so I can't say anything specific, but I think in general, slaymesoftly is right, Joss won't put her with anyone permanently. I can see the Xander thing happening - I think he's finally grown up enough that it wouldn't be his high school crush all over again. And especially since Spike and Angel are both off having their own comic adventures with IDW, Buffy needs a love interest, and it can't be one of them, so...

I wouldn't stop buying the comics solely for that reason. I didn't watch the show just for the Spuffy, so I wouldn't do that for the comics either. If I want Spuffy, I come here. :)

And about the season 4 thing - really? Wow. I mean, I figured Sarah had some influence, but it's hard to see her nixing Joss's story arc.

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Apr 06 2007 07:17 pm   #4DreamsofSpike

personally, once they're all grown up and all, i wouldn't mind seeing a more mature, stable xander end up with an 18-year-old Dawn, myself. They had a connection in the show, and when I read the preview pages of the second comic, that thought came to mind again, that maybe they could end up together...

but that's probably just wishful thinking...

and i agree that i wouldn't stop buying/reading the comics just because of who buffy ends up with....i hated riley from the start, and that didn't make me stop watching  :P

Apr 06 2007 08:40 pm   #5SpikeHot

As someone who's getting to really like Xander, I wouldn't mind Buffy ending up with him, I just hope their friendship won't be ruined when Joss remembers that no ship can have a happy ending. In addition, I will not stop reading the comic books for this reason.

Apr 06 2007 10:05 pm   #6Dihcar

Yeah, but that's just it, what really bothers me is that it feels like a betrayel.  Spike tryed so much to get her to love him including getting a soul but the show ended before they really had a chance.  And now she falls for Xander, because he's the only male around?  He was never a possible mate for Buffy, not much of a warrior, definitely not an equal to Buffy.  And i just know that if the finally do have sex, some small part of Xander's sick mind(the one that lusted after her for many years, and tried to rape her only to deny it afterwards.) will rejoice in that he finally had her.  And i'm still pissed in the way he degraded/mistreaded Anya.  Buffy deserves better then that loser.

And about those IDW comics, neither Spike or Angel are allowed to move on, they are both still mooning over Buffy. If Spike were atleast to have been shown moving on from her, then i could accept Buffy too(with someone better then the Xander.)

The good thing is that SPOILERS,SPOILERS,SPOILERS,

 

 

 

The whole thing is a dream-sequence or actually more a nightmare for Buffy, which i think has a deeper meaning as to her failed relationships and attempts at being normal,  and the darkness inside of her.  She tryes to get Xander in to bed, promising to be gentle, yet when she kisses him his head pops off, it all goes downhile from there.  She gets sorta curcifixed and other stuf.  What is intresting is in the end a man(face is not shown) appearing in a duster and red shirt, saying that he will give her answers, he also calls her "My love".

END SPOILERS

Spike/Fray=The future
Apr 06 2007 10:13 pm   #7Guest

I can't accept Buffy really moving on unless I've seen that she mourned Spike's death in Chosen. To ignore that is a disservice to both characters, and at the very least, a mention should be made about how hard it was for her after Spike's death. Obviously, after time, people can move on, especially when they think their love is dead, but there's a natural grieving process, and it's not instantaneous.

CM

Apr 06 2007 11:42 pm   #8Eowyn315

He was never a possible mate for Buffy, not much of a warrior, definitely not an equal to Buffy.

But all that's changed now... Xander is an adult, and in season 7 proved to be brave, heroic, and a very capable warrior. And what does "equal to Buffy" mean anymore? She's no longer special - sure, she's superhuman, but so are thousands of other girls. And from what I can tell, Xander and Buffy are two leaders in this new organization - so while they may have different assignments (Buffy's a field agent, Xander's at command central) they are in fact equals in a way they never were before. So it's really the best time for a B/X romance, in terms of their character progression.

I think part of your issue, Dihcar, has less to do with Spike and more to do with you hating Xander. For those of us who don't dislike Xander, seeing Buffy with him isn't a bad thing.

Also, CM brings up a good point - as far as we know, Buffy thinks Spike is dead. Unless Andrew spills the beans, she has no reason not to move on eventually. I agree with CM that mourning Spike would be appropriate, but since the comic is several months post-Chosen, we unfortunately may have missed it.

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Apr 07 2007 12:07 am   #9TwilightChild

  I kinda knew the comic would head in a Buffy/Xander direction, and I haven't even read a page.  I think I knew the moment that I saw a drawing of Xander looking all cool and badass.  It became pretty obvious who the next match was going to be then.

  And yes, Joss Whedon had originally intended for Buffy and Xander to eventually hook up.  You know, the supportive, in love best friend gets the girl?  But the show itself went off in a different direction, fans too, so I don't think any of the actual actors stopped that from happening.  You can also kinda tell when they gave up on the idea entirely...cause he kinda let himself go a bit after he found out he wasn't going to be a show sex symbol.  lol.

  Its alot easier to do it with the comics, then with actors.  Plus, remember how Anya always seemed to be satisfied and impressed with her and Xander's sex life?  I think that was leading the fans up to believing that Xander is good in bed, thus Buffy should give him a chance.  That way, if he's been a friend all along, and is aparrently good in bed, no one will have a problem or see anything wrong with him being with Buffy.

  *I* think it sucks, though.
 

Apr 07 2007 01:31 am   #10GoldenBuffy

I don't hate Xander, I love him, but him with Buffy, umm, no. I know that there are like what thousands of slayers now not making Buffy special or the one, but still she needs someone her equal. A human will never be her equal good firned or not. I mean I'd rather her really be with the Immortal than with Xander. It's just a huge slap in the face to Spike and Angel. I'm glad I haven't bought thecomic and now I'm not going to, lol.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Apr 07 2007 01:36 am   #11Always_jbj

Personally, I'm a BtVS girl--I hardly watched AtS and only consider it to be BtVS canon when it suits me, and as I can't stand comic books I really can't see myself caring one way or the other what happens in them either.

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Apr 07 2007 01:40 am   #12Eowyn315

Oooh, I disagree, GB. I'd much rather Xander than the Immortal. And I think that's a greater slap in the face to Spike and Angel. The Immortal is the one who tied them up and stole their women, after all. 

I don't see how Xander is a slap in the face to them, really. Just because Xander hated them? I mean, Angel left her specifically so she could be with someone like Xander - normal human guy. Spike might take it as an insult, but as far as Buffy knows - he's DEAD!

I'm not saying I prefer Buffy with Xander - I think we all would rather it be Spike. But with the constraints of the comics and the different series, that's not going to happen. So I'd rather it be Xander than Andrew, or Riley, or the Immortal, or anyone else.

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Apr 07 2007 01:57 am   #13Unbridled_Brunette

I'm with Always. The comic books aren't canon...they're just cheap tie-ins like the novels. That's why I wasn't too fussed when I found out they gave William's surname in the comic and it didn't match up with mine. I mean, they never mentioned it on the show, so I think Pratt remains unofficial at best.

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Apr 07 2007 04:41 am   #14Maggie2

SPOILERS

 

 

 

The dream sequence highlights the problem with Bander.  First it shows that Buffy knows she'd have to restrain herself with him. Second, it shows her fear that Xander can't accept the darkness in her.  So if they are headed for Bander, at least the problems are already highlighted.  Interestingly, while the dream suggests that Buffy is having lusty thoughts about Xander (who is probably the only guy available), Xander seems to think his feelings about Buffy are more like those of a friend -- because he asks Amy if a kiss from a loving friend would remove the spell.  She says it has to be a kiss from a guy whose passionate about her, and Xander turns around to set the witches to finding a way to crack the true love problem.  Also, he's got a flirty thing going with Renee, who may or may not have survived issue #2.

But for all of that, I'd be shocked if Joss puts Spike with Buffy again.  And I'm really not looking forward to the next issue, where according to the responses to the letters at the end Spike and Angel will appear.  I just don't trust Joss to treat my guy well. 

Apr 07 2007 05:06 am   #15GoldenBuffy

Eowyn I still disagree. The Immortal may have stole their women, and really could anyone steal Dru? lol Or Darla, I don't think so. At least with him he would understand Buffy's dark side and her true nature as a slayer. I mean if he's been around for like a bajillion of years he should have picked up a few things about demons, humans, and slayers alike. As for Xander don't get me wrong, he is not who he was in high school, but he is not for Buffy even if it was for a few weeks or months, they are not for each other. Not only is he not her equal doesn't he still only have one eye?

But yeah, I don't trust Joss one bit. And even if Buffy knew Spike was alive I think he wouldn't get them back together. Maybe give us a crumb but that's it, and hey, he just may give the Bangel lovers a crumb as well. Still not buing the comic though, and I'm with Always, this is not canon.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Apr 07 2007 05:33 am   #16Maggie2

Hey GB -- I would take both Xander and the Immortal to be a big slap in the face.  Xander, because he's always been such an ass about Buffy's boyfriends.  And the Immortal, because it would be so completely disrespectful of everything Spike went through to be her champion if she suddenly decided she'd be perfectly happy to hop in bed with a guy who's morally 'ambiguous'.  I'm so glad Joss erased the abomination that was the Immortal/Buffy thing.

How's "It Happened One Night" coming along?  Grins.

Apr 07 2007 05:36 am   #17Scarlet Ibis

Okay, haven't read issue two, but I don't see Buffy with Xander (even if she does "miss sex a lot" or whatever).  Now that Dawn's older (and if she gets normal sized soon), I'd see him with her, though I'm hoping for the whole Xander/Renee thingy.  And if they put Buffy with anyone, and it wasn't Spike or Angel, then it'd have to be someone new, who isn't way lame (e.g. Riley) and annoying, and dull... I could go on.

Oh, and Dihcar- excuse if this is a silly question, but what's IDW? I'd like to take a gander at the s6 Angel comics.  And Steven DeKnight still wants to write a Spike movie you guys- has anyone heard anything else about that?

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Apr 07 2007 06:54 am   #18GoldenBuffy

Maggie I'm still stuck ont he Immortal 'cause in my head he's Duncan McCloud, ROFL. So see why I'm gunning for him?  IHON is with the beta. So hopefully there will be a update. well two updates since it a long chappie. :D

But I agree with Scarlet if Joss had to hook her up with someone else then he'd have to be a new guy, and not a total spaz.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Apr 07 2007 06:58 am   #19Guest

The Spike movie isn't going to happen unless someone donates the money, since the production company wasn't interested. IDW publishes the Spike and Angel comics.

I'll have a big problem with Buffy getting with anyone if she knows Spike's alive and is shown to just not care. And they don't have to detail her mourning period, but I do want a line about it from here. Just one that's respectful, and it'll be okay.

Xander always seemed to be Mayor of the Friend Zone. He and Buffy aren't even compatible for making a relationship work. There's so much he doesn't even know about her, and I think, she doesn't know about him, either. Cuz Buffy's not the type to ask all kinds of questions to realy get to know someone. She just assumes that the other person should tell if she should know, and never bothers to dig deeper. If Spike hadn't been so talkative and open with his feelings, she wouldn't have known a damn thing about him, because she never would have asked. She's always either too scared, or too self-absorbed.

I hope, if Spike and Angel show up, that Joss doesn't make them the token ex-boyfriends who have no depth. I like both characters way more than I ever did Buffy, and even if I wasn't a Spuffy, I'd still say that Spike had a huge impact on her life. And knew her a hell of a lot better than Angel. They have loads of history, and it should really impact buffy.

CM

Apr 07 2007 07:47 am   #20Scarlet Ibis

Who do you suppose *would* be interested in producing the film? Personally, I'd want Tarantino to direct it (in my fantasy, of course).  Shouldn't there be a petition of some kind?

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Apr 07 2007 12:19 pm   #21Dihcar

Sorry Eowyn315 but i disagree.  Almost every quality you mentioned is in every other character in season7.  Spike,Willow,Giles,Anya,ect.  And as far as capabable warrior goes, in the Buffyverse there are alot better human fighters, Robin,Gunn,Giles.  Even so none of them, especially not Xander can match up to Spike as a warrior.  And almost all the time, Spike has been shown to be on the front lines right beside Buffy against the bigbad, that's something that Xander could never do.  Even patrolling with her is a danger because one day he would easily be killed off, he's human.

And ofcourse it doesn't having everything to do with Spike, i dislike Xander as a character and all the bad things he has done, yet never been punished for.  And no losing an eye is not enough, i'm talking about emotional growth, which has only been shown in regards to Dawn.  But i stand by my opinion he's nowwhere good enough for Buffy.

And about the use of SPike in the comics.  Yes, they are both owend by different publishers, but Joss has already stated that he could use Spike as much as he wanted to since it's his creation.  He just chooses not too.

TwilightChild, that's also one of the things that botherd me.  How they made Xander cool by basicly giving him a "SPike make-over".  They have totally changed the character in to something he never was, maybe because of the obivious absent of a male lead.  Spike is gone now, so they had to work with Xander.

Scarlet Ibis, i agree, i would have rather liked Xander hooking up with Dawn.  Or maybe Renee, there is still a chance for it.  I also have no problem if Buffy chose to move on, just for god sake let it not be Xander.

IDW publishing are the company that have the rights to Angel and by default Spike, because he was on the last season there.  Buffy and co are owend by Dark Horse, who also used to own Spike and Angel.   Spike unlike in the past, is treated with respect at IDW, they acknowledge the fandom of that character and have giving him several solo stories.  Some are failures, like Spike vs Dracula,Old Times.  While recently a Spike fan wrote a fantastic series called Spike:Asylum(TBP comes out next month),  we see SPike as a hero,friend,leader, and some great inner development for the character.  Joss was so impressed with Brian Lynch(writer of Asylum)'s work that he chose him as co-writer for the Angel season6 comics.  But before he start working on those he has another SPike series(Shadow puppets) coming out where SPike goes to Japan with Lorne to stop the evil puppets 'like those in Smile time" and yes you guessed it, he gets turned in to a puppet himself,hehe.  Wow, Tarantino? He would totally make a bad-ass Spike movie.

Spike/Fray=The future
Apr 08 2007 03:35 am   #22Eowyn315

GB - re: the Immortal. I think maybe my opinion is colored by the fact that we only really see him through Angel's and Spike's eyes. They both hate the Immortal, therefore, so do I, lol. 

Also, with the new info from the comics, it makes me wonder what exactly the Immortal was thinking when he agreed to this little plan. I mean, did Andrew say, "Hey, guy, you wanna date a hot blond chick and pretend she's the Slayer?" Like, who does that? Why would he agree to that? The only thing I can think of is that Andrew said something like, if you date this girl, it'll drive Spike and Angel crazy because they think she's their ex. Which makes the Immortal a humungous jackass, IMO, to date a girl you don't even know solely because it will piss off someone you don't like. 

So bottom line - I hate the Immortal the way a lot of people on this thread seem to hate Xander.

I'm obviously not gonna change anyone's mind about Xander being worthy of Buffy - maybe it bothers me less because, like Always, I don't think of it as canon. I've called it Joss writing fanfic. I always grant more leeway (in terms of character development and suspension of disbelief) in fanfic than I would with the real show. So I'm not gonna get up in arms about the direction they choose to go. I like Xander, and I like where his character is at right now, and since Spike isn't an option, I think a B/X relationship would be kind of interesting - especially since it's something Joss has always wanted to do, which means he's probably got a lot of thoughts about the ins and outs. (Like Maggie pointed out, they're already exploring the potential pitfalls before it even happens.) And besides, I don't expect Xander to become the love of her life - if we know anything about Joss, it's that no one stays in a happy relationship for long.

Not only is he not her equal doesn't he still only have one eye?

That's kinda prejudiced against one-eyed people, don'tcha think? ;) And yes, he is still rocking the eyepatch.

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Apr 08 2007 03:59 am   #23Scarlet Ibis

I think they were implying that she was pretending to be Buffy, and that the Immortal (and anyone not in their circle of Watchers and Slayers) didn't know either.  I'm also thinking that she's an actual Slayer, just not Buffy, who liked to party and be given lots of material things (which would be no problem for the Immortal), so kicking it with the Immortal would be a big deal to her.

Also, I don't hate Xander, I just don't think they could present it to me that was believeable, or beyond Buffy just trying to scratch an itch with someone she thinks to be safe, and wouding Xander in the process.

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Apr 08 2007 04:15 am   #24Eowyn315

Ah, Scarlet, that makes sense. From the way Buffy says it - "Andrew did research and said it would be hilarious" - it seemed like Andrew picked the Immortal specifically. But I guess it's possible that it just happened, and Andrew did the research and decided it was a great turn of events. 

Though, if the Immortal's not in the know, I wonder how well they know each other, since it'd be hard to fool somebody (especially someone as old and experienced as the Immortal) into thinking you're someone who's pretty well-known in the demon world. (If Dracula's heard of her, I figure the Immortal would, too.) So I just assumed he was in on it.

I can imagine the conversation:

Immortal: So, how about that time with the giant snake? I heard that was a blast.
Not-Buffy: The who with the what now?

Now I kinda want to write a fic about Not-Buffy and her life with the Immortal. And maybe Spike showing up and blowing her cover...

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Apr 08 2007 04:53 am   #25GoldenBuffy

Nope, not at all, lol. I don't have anything against people with one eyes just one named Xander when it comes to dating Buffy. She's not a normal girl but he's a normal guy they don't mix. And since Jss had a thing for them to date then just because he's showing the pit falls that points for me at least that they will get together. And I'm thinking he might make it work between them. Which again totally sucks. But I'm still not taking this a canon, it's just like those slayer comics and the Bufy comics, their all just filler to make more money. :P

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Apr 08 2007 07:55 am   #26Guest

She could be a magical clone, since Buffy said there are 3 of her, and the other is in storage. Could be another Slayer that they put an elaborate glamour on after debriefing her on how to act "Buffy". I have a feeling even Dracula didn't have a picture of her, only a description.

CM

Apr 08 2007 11:11 am   #27Dihcar

The girls that are pretending to be Buffy are slayers.

"and since Spike isn't an option,"

That's only because of Joss, which again reaffirms his dislike for the character Spike.  If they(Buffy/Xander) hook up i'm hooked off.  I don't really care if Xander isn't the love of her life, i also dislike how Buffy seems to degraded by sleeping with every (ex)-male scooby, who's next,Giles?  Has to be, because he's the only one left.

Agreed GoldenBuffy, normal couldn't please Buffy.  I think it was someone that said that maybe Xander is a great lover, the way Anya was always fixed on it.  No offense, but Anya really isn't the most objective person to judge sex on.  That girl LOVED sex, and was enthusiastic about with almost every potential partner.  She even tried to have sex with Spike again, and agreed to have sex with that freaky demon in season7, but he declined because he found her human form repulsive or something like that,haha.  Anyway i stand by my reasoning that Xander could never match up, and please Buffy like the sex she had with Spike.  I mean 5 hours?

For me the decision on continuing to buy these comics comes next month.  If she hooks up with Xander i'm trough, too bad really because so far they have this series going up to 50issues, which is about 4years, that's a long time.

Spike/Fray=The future
Apr 08 2007 02:45 pm   #28slaymesoftly

I kinda want to write a fic about Not-Buffy and her life with the Immortal. And maybe Spike showing up and blowing her cover...  Go for it, Eowyn!!!! LOL  I'd read it.  (Although, now that I think about it, there already is one about a fake Buffy and Spike showing up - might be by Ariel_Dawn? It's quite funny. I do remember that.)

Haven't got my comics yet, so I'm totally dependent on what I'm reading here (and other places with spoilers), but, knowing Joss, he's going to throw crumbs to everybody (maybe even to Biley fans - are there any?), but do what he damned well pleases - or what is necessary to meet RL constraints. He's been famous for being more than a bit contrary, and, as do most of us, he becomes a bit stubborn and cranky when fans try to tell him what to do with his characters.  I remember reading, years ago, an interview in which he said if fans bugged him too much about something, he was inclined to do just the opposite...  I doubt that would apply to petitions for a Spike movie, though.  That's money in his pocket if enough people want to see it.

I don't think he dislikes Spike - he may not be thrilled that what began as a minor character took over the way he has (Buffy and Angel, after all, are his two heroes) - but I doubt he would have let him go out a hero if he didn't like him. He just isn't as obsessed with him as we are and therefore can view other partners for Buffy with an open mind.

I don't see her with Xander in any permanent way, but I can see them drifting into a relationship for a while just because they're all they have left. I don't know that I see it lasting much past Spike's return - and, to me, that might make a great fan fic story.  Room for lots of angst, there.  Heartbreak all around. LOL

Again, there is an older story on AAS which I loved, where Spike has shashued (or sort of, I forget if he's completely human or just not quite a vampire) and comes to Buffy's door years and years later.  He had come back a couple of years after Chosen, seen Buffy walking with Xander and a toddler, found out they were married and backed away before she knew he was there.  He didn't look closely enough to see that the toddler had blond hair and blue eyes....Very heartbreaking tale, although with an eventual Spuffy ending.  If anyone is interested, I'll try to find the title and author for you. 

Happy Easter, everyone!

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Apr 08 2007 05:09 pm   #29Scarlet Ibis

Slaymesoftly, please find that fic...

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Apr 08 2007 06:04 pm   #30Maggie2

I agree with Slaymesoftly that it's not obvious that Joss dislikes Spike.  The last two seasons were all about Spike, so much so that they are very much disliked by anti-Spike people.  In season 7, the core Scoobies get pushed very much to the side and the only story treated with attention and care is the Spuffy storyline, focusing on Spike's progress toward the most purely heroic death in the entire Buffyverse.  The last episode of the show is filled to the brim with references to Spike's entire arc over the last six seasons.  I just don't see Joss lavishing that much attention on a character he dislikes, much less going out of his way to make sure that we know that Spike dies for the noblest and purest reasons.  Quite the contrary.  I think Joss adores Spike -- the ultimate outsider, who is (as Drusilla tells us) "the wisest and bravest knight in all the land". 

Apr 08 2007 06:56 pm   #31slaymesoftly

I'll do my best SI - probably ought to try Seeking Spike rather than ramble around archives hoping that my memory will get jogged by something. I think I've read it twice and I certainly wouldn't mind finding it and reading it again. :)

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Apr 08 2007 10:50 pm   #32ZoeGrace

I'll stop buying them if Buffy ends up with Xander.  I can't accept a Bander pairing no matter how temporary.

Apr 09 2007 02:53 am   #33slaymesoftly

http://www.freewebs.com/eternalbalance/OtherAuthors/OnceWhenWeWereYoung.htm    Seeking Spike comes through! 

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Apr 09 2007 03:11 am   #34Scarlet Ibis

Thanks Slaymesoftly :D

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Apr 09 2007 03:24 am   #35Unbridled_Brunette

I cannot fathom Buffy falling in love with Xander. He's so...ordinary. Buffy needs someone who is her equal, who can challenge her. I think Xander would bore her...I don't think she would ever even become attracted to him.

This is one of the main reasons I won't read the comics or tie-in novels, they completely screw up the characters. I know Joss is involved with this, but still, it seems like Xander is completely OOC in it.

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Apr 09 2007 06:05 am   #36Guest

You have to wonder, even without reading anything, how well Joss can write the characters now after BTVS ending in 2003? It's a long time, creativity wise, and he didn't personally write every bit of it. I know it'd take me a while to come back to one of my OCs after 4 years, even if I thoroughly loved the character - it's just long enough that I'd have to immerse myself in his/her voice again before trying to write them again.  I don't know how Joss is, but I know his writing staff don't always remember everything about the characters....fans have had to fill in answers plenty of times at cons.

I was wary about him just picking up Season 8 now before ever hearing about the plot.

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Apr 09 2007 04:43 pm   #37lostboy

I don't know what OOC is, but I agree with UB completely.  Even if you can get over the whole brother/sister vibe, a Bander thing just sounds awkward and, well, grody.   I know Joss is a great storyteller, but this just sounds like a thing that  was sort of shoehorned in at the last minute - like "hey, wouldn't it be funny...we've never done THAT before" etc.

Crap, I can't believe this is going to become "canon."  What a gyp...  can't somebody have this looked into, and, hopefully drowned at birth?

Apr 09 2007 05:18 pm   #38Unbridled_Brunette

 lostboy, OOC is Out-of-Character. Sorry, I shouldn't have abreviated it. :P

Also, I really like the assessment of Bander being grody. I don't think there is a more apt description for it anywhere. I will never buy that comic and if someone gives it to me as a gift I will use to to start a camp fire.

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Apr 09 2007 05:57 pm   #39FetchingMadScientist

Bander- even the idea is well --Yuck.  As far as I'm concerned, the comic cannot be canon, unless we, the fans, let it be so, I just don't see that happening.  And our favorite 'ship won't die as long as there's fanfic.

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Apr 09 2007 06:17 pm   #40cereza

Oh, well, guess I shouldn't be upset that there's no way I could get those comics in my country, where people aren't crazy about BtVS, so nobody will bother with translating it and publishing :)

About Bander - for me the sister / brother love is something you can't just forget about. Okay, friends can fall in love with each other but Buffy and Xander are IMO more. And someone said something about Xander and Dawn relationship... No for the same reasons - she was fourteen when he met her and a few years younger when he remembers meeting her!

"People," Geralt turned his head, "like to invent monsters and monstrosities. Then they seem less monstrous themselves. (...) They find it easier to live."
~ Andrzej Sapkowski, The Last Wish
Apr 09 2007 07:56 pm   #41lostboy

OOC = out of character.  D'oh!  I should've guessed that.

lostboy = bloody plonker.

We should have an ff contest to rewrite "season 8," like, issue for issue.  Although, that might inspire JW to send armies of flying monkey laywers to defeat us once and for all.  Frankly I don't even get the idea of season 8 - so much time has passed in the real world since s7, it just seems awkward to pick up right after Chosen.  That's why I'm writing *shameless plug* season 13 in my fic.  And there will be absolutely no Bander!  Although there is a slight possibility of some Fandrew (or, if I'm feeling particularly sadistic, Xandrew).  :evil:

Apr 09 2007 08:20 pm   #42cereza
There's a great "virtual season 8" project called "Three Deep" (http://www.teaattheford.net/virtual/index.php). Although it wasn't exactly Spuffy it was really cool... I say "was", 'cos it looks like it's kinda dead and abandoned. Pity, it was so well written and original...
"People," Geralt turned his head, "like to invent monsters and monstrosities. Then they seem less monstrous themselves. (...) They find it easier to live."
~ Andrzej Sapkowski, The Last Wish
Apr 10 2007 12:36 am   #43GoldenBuffy

I think I started reading that, I kinda drifted away from it since I wanted Spike with Buffy so... eh.

As for a brother sister relationshio developing into something else, oh I have no problem understanding that. But seriously with Buffy and Xander, that's a wrold of No. It's wrong, so wrong that there are no words to describe it. So grody is the world I'll barrow from Loast Boy in describing it, so there I did fidn a word, lol. :P I really hope Joss doesn't do it. I've pretty much accepted the fact that he will moste likely never get Buffy and Spike back together, I think its a greater chance of she and Angel before that happens. But this season 8 will never be canon just like the books. The fans won't let it happen. Maybe an anlternate universe that will cross over with Buffy's realitly but never will it be Buffy's life.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Apr 10 2007 02:44 am   #44Scarlet Ibis

I agree with Lost Boy on doing our own "season 8."  Other fan fic authors have done alt s8 on their own, and I'm pretty sure no flying monkey lawyers attacked them or made them delete it... Either way, there'd still be no profit involved, except for the exclamation of Spuffy fans going (in Cartman style voice) "Yesssssss!"

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Apr 10 2007 04:41 pm   #45lostboy

I really like this idea now.  I wish I had the time to develop it.  I'm thinking an online comic book.  I actually know a few people who work for DC comics, but they all work for $$$, not love.  Anyone know any uber-talented illustrators who want to do a cool portfolio piece?  Except, I'm thinking that instead of BtVS s8, we call it "Buffyverse, Episode 1."  You know... to avoid any "imperial" entanglements ;)

Apr 11 2007 01:51 am   #46GoldenBuffy

That sounds like a good isea LB. I know I would read it. Um, could we have Angel bashing in it? lol No, just kidding I love Angel. Wish I knew an illustrator though who'd work for free and loves Spike and possibly Spuffy as well, 'cause that would be a bonus. I know some people from the sims community who make items by hand but not sure if they are into fanfic and BtVS. I also know one (sims com) who is a graphic designer, don't know if that would help or not.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Apr 11 2007 12:45 pm   #47LadyYashka

 This makes me wish I could draw. :sigh:

Though if this does get started, I'd be willing to help.

And lostboy, the Xandrew thing you mentioned? That is so wrong, and yet it could actually work.  :P

Tomorrow may be hell, but today was a good writing day, and on the good writing days nothing else matters. — Neil Gaiman
Apr 13 2007 03:08 pm   #48Guest

 SPOILERS

 

Well, I kinda find Bander disturbing, I mean come on he is a whelp! and it is only a dream isn't it? And when buffy sees nigthmare, there is someone who says that he will always love her, I think that is Spike ( I know wishfull thinking). And at the 1st issue Buffy says she misses sex so they can not be doing it if she is missing (or Xander is very bad at it she still misses it although they are having sex), but I should also say when I read buffy says "are you coming to bed"  I was like "OH MY GOD NO!!!!!!!!!" happily it was just a dream....

Apr 13 2007 03:10 pm   #49Guest

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