Forward to Time Past by Unbridled_Brunette
Chapter: Chapter Thirty-Two

killer angel
03/14/2008 05:24 am
this transition from william to spike is phenomenal!  absolutely believable and so well done.  it's funny because on the one hand it's almost heartbreaking to see what's happening to william, but on the other hand it makes me so happy to see the beginnings of spike.
Thank you! I got a lot of negative feedback for part two, so it is really wonderful to know that you're enjoying it. I hope you continue to do so. :D

LindsayH
06/02/2007 04:58 am
I have often thought the cannon idea of a demon possessing and reanimating the body of the dead to be slightly naive and simplistic. Just because a demon has one's memories doesn't mean it would also have one's characteristics--see Fred/Illyria, for instance. It seemed that it was the trauma of dying, arising, and adapting in a vampiric family to be the catalyst for such incredible change, along with the awakening of the id or "demon." But you put it so much better than I do through William's evolution! And I have to say, I think this is the best understanding of the Angelus/Spike relationship that I've read.
Yeah, I never liked that simplistic explanation of vampires. It was silly and very B-movie. They did it to give Angel an easy out for his crimes in season two, of course. Maybe that's why Angel irritates me so much. Anyway, I'm glad you liked the chapter. Thanks for letting me know. :)

04/28/2007 06:56 pm
Dammit, with all my recent computer problems I missed an update! And what a chapter it was, too. It's funny, but with each passing chapter, even though this reality is slightly different from canon, I keep thinking to myself, "This is how it really happened." You're continuing with your own story while at the same time filling in all those blanks on how William became Spike. I don't care what difference Elizabeth may or may not have made, more and more I'm seeing this story as a history lesson. Gah, I could go on and one, but I've got another chapter to read!
That is such a flattering thing to say! I really want to make this story mesh well with the canon of the show, and I'm so glad to hear I'm succeeding. Thanks for letting me know how you feel. I hope you like the next chapter as well. :)

Esther
04/27/2007 08:33 pm
Eep, I just realized that I left my long review on the wrong chapter!! *smacks forehead* Sorry, hon!! Loved it---finally caught up after having major ISP probs---and can't wait for more.
lol. No problem. I appreciate both reviews. :)

04/22/2007 11:11 am
Guh, bad Angelus, though I still love him. Now, my question is. Was that the one time Spiek mentions in As5?

Will Angelus continue his assult on Spike or is he finished? I love seeing how William turned into Spike and the events that molded him.
I'm glad you liked it. Thank you. :)

04/21/2007 05:34 am
Oh My God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I totally loved it, poor William, Angelus is a sadistic bastard and makes me sick , so it was very well witten:)
I loved "I don’t have to do what you say, anymore." wowwwwwwww
Lets see what William will do :)
Hope we hear of Buffy soon :)
I'm glad you liked it, Karla. Thanks so much for taking the time to review. :)

04/21/2007 02:23 am
Every chapter is a candy drop on my tongue, making my mouth water for more. Approaching the second paragraph I became aware, or at least hoped that this was going to be the public announcement of 'Spike'. Glad you didn't disappoint. But then you never do. No pressure intended. :D

*His name was William the Bloody; his name was the Railway Killer; his name was Spike. The papers coined these epithets, and he struggled to create a persona worthy of them.*

Didn't know how you were going to go about explaining how his name came about but I love the simplicity of it. I love your scope of imagination, the eloquent usage of your words, and more importantly as shown here in this chapter your delicate handling of a graphic scene.

I'm enjoying every bit of his transformation. As he tries new things to reinvent himself, or to live up to his nicknames. i.e. the cigaretts, which of course is an embracing of rebellion against Angelus. I love his cocky confidence as well.

*Stupid as it was, given the situation, William felt a certain rush of pride, reading that. Front page, too. His conceit made him reckless, and he pushed the paper away coolly. “Jealous?”*

Heh, I just love Spike. :P

*He cradled his hatred to him like a foundling, and in his mind was the searing, singular thought—

I don’t have to do what you say, anymore*

Even though, this made my heart bleed for him..I love his inner strength rising forth there at the end. Another thing I loved about him no matter how beaten down he was, he never quit. He just got back up and kept moving forward. What a Hero.

Keep it up girl, your amazing!

Thank you so much, AC! I always love reading your feedback, and I'm glad you're continuing to enjoy the story. :)

04/20/2007 01:17 am
Damned if this doesn't read realistic! His making the name for himself was perfectly laid out and the seeds of his hatred for Angelus planted. I love this view of Spike for all its horror and pathos (still not wishing his Elizabeth sullied by even having her name uttered by Angelus!). Wonderful, just wonderful and reads true.

Kathleen
That is the best compliment I could ask for: realism. Thank you!

Mrs X
04/19/2007 09:46 am
I really like this story and I'm growing more fond of it the more I read. I'm not favourable to silly fluff, so this is my kind of story; dark-ish, but not depressing.

The understanding of how William evolved into Spike is so important and interesting. Also very fascinating is the description of Victorian England, which of course is pivotal in understanding William/Spike.
I'm glad you like it, Mrs X. I love romance, but not fluff. And I have to admit I'm really enjoying studying the darker aspects of vampiric nature. I'm glad you're enjoying reading about it. Thanks for the review. :)

04/19/2007 07:01 am
The way you're handling this, it's really quite lovely. Ok, strange phrase for a chapter containing mutilations with hardware and forced sodomy, but I mean the care you're paying to the transformation from sweet William into Spike.
This story is being told with such depth and detail, it's just really exciting to read each painful installment.
lol. I absolutely love the way you worded that about the strange phrase. I'm glad you liked the chapter, and thanks so much for reviewing. :)

04/19/2007 05:12 am
Wow! That was an absolutely riveting, powerfully written scene. I haven't read any other story that painted such a vivid picture of the beginnings of the antipathy/hatred between Spike and Angelus. The fact that Spike had to a certain extent bonded with Angel - almost like a small boy in the throes of hero-worship - makes his intense hatred of Angelus now just that much more believable. I love the way you're showing us how William is slowly crafting his Spike persona, molding himself into this defiant, violent, recklessly independent being. And yet, we see glimpses of William in his distaste for indescriminate torture and his desire not to sully his "pure" memory of Elizabeth. This fic is bloody brilliant. You've got me hanging one every word. :)
Thank you so much, HPfan. Your review just made my day. :D

04/19/2007 04:53 am
The whole warped family is very much in character, and I can see Spike emerging from William under the disapproving eyes of Angelus and Darla.
Thanks. :)

04/19/2007 04:41 am
"I don’t have to do what you say, anymore." knowledge is born. spike understands the great poof more than angelus, himself, does. (i'm not sure of that usage.) decades of hate begin. wonderful update, thank you.
Thanks for the review. I really appreciate the feedback.

04/19/2007 03:36 am
Love it, love it, love it. You bring their time together to life in a way I've never seen before. I love the depth you're giving to the story. Can't wait to read more.
Thank you! I'm glad you liked it.

04/19/2007 03:25 am
I don't know why, but I really got a kick out of William "aping Drusilla's Cockney accent."

Anyway, I really liked the way you handled the rape - not graphic, but with enough well-placed details to give us a vivid picture. And while I see the Spike shining through in that last line, I doubt Angelus will take it very well when William stops doing what he says. Won't go well for our boy, I suspect. Great update, UB!
William's accent will be topic for discussion in a subsequent chapter, Eowyn, and I think you really will laugh when it comes up again. ;)

Thanks for the review!

04/19/2007 03:24 am
Just when I think this story can't get any better, the next chapter is better than the last. I'm thoroughly enjoying our boy's transformation. William's slowly going against everything that he was as a human. He's changed his style of dress, but still hasn't changed it completely. He's taken up smoking cigarettes, and part of that seems to be a bit of rebellion against Angelus. William's developing his own sense of self as a vampire. He no longer completely follows Angelus' example, deciding that torture isn't his style. He's finding his own niche. He's also leaving parts of his human self behind, including his mother. The only thing he holds onto is his love for Elizabeth.

I find William's attraction to the lime light very interesting. He was never noticed when he was human, except when others mocked and ridiculed him. Now, those same people are reading about him in the newspapers, fearing him, finally giving him attention. He's relishing the publicity, going so far as to leave a railroad spike calling card so that everyone knows that "Spike was here." Bad press is better than no press :-P

As for Angelus raping William...Well, I can't say that I'm surprised. Angelus is the very definition of control freak, and he'd do anything to get someone to submit to him.

"He cradled his hatred to him like a foundling" I love that line! Likening his hatred to an orphaned little infant, now found in hating Angelus. I can see him holding the hatred close to his chest, nurturing it like a babe. Great image.
Thanks so much, IB. I'm glad you liked the chapter.

I always saw Spike's behavior on BtVS as very attention-seeking...like a little kid who bugs his elders just so they'll pay attention to him. Once we caught a glimpse of William's life, I could understand why Spike would be that way. You're right, he's never been noticed with anything except contempt by his peers. Now, all of a sudden, he's important to the eyes of London, and he relishes that. "Bad press is better than no press" definitely sums it up! :D

Onyx
04/19/2007 03:23 am
YES MA'AM.....I am sure some people are goin to gripe about this turn of events, but I find all of it to be very profoundly vampiric. You seem to have gotten into the minds of each of the characters, and you express their actions like someone who is watching from above the room.
lol. I knew I could count on you to understand, Onyx. Vampires definitely aren't "big fluffy puppies with bad teeth" and I don't want to portray them that way. Fortunately, most reviewers have been really supportive for the chapter...I think I've already scared all the squeamish ones away! :P

04/19/2007 03:11 am
Wow, UB that was intense - Loved William - Maybe you'd better put a warning on this one for the squeamish. The newspaper stuff is terrific.
I'm not sure what you mean, Spikez_tart. There has been a warning for violence, torture, and rape in every chapter since Part II began.

Anyway, I'm glad you liked the chapter. Intense was definitely what I was going for, so I'm glad to hear that I made it. Thanks for the review. :)

LadyYashka
04/19/2007 02:44 am
If Angelus thought this would gain him control of Spike, he was very very wrong. Now Spike doesn't see Angelus as the "God-like" being he did before, and on top of everything else, there is now hate.

I get the feeling all hell is about to break loose.

Wonderful update! :)
As usual, your feelings are spot on, Lady. Thanks for the review. :)

04/19/2007 02:34 am
wow - what IS william Becoming? This is a wonderful journet - I can't wait to see what is going on in Sunnydale. I'm SO not trying to get you to time-jump - the suspense is wonderful, and continues to build with every chapter.
Beautifully crafted.
lol. Eh, tell me to time jump all you want, I'm still not going to do it. :P

Thanks for the review! I'm glad you like the story.

04/19/2007 01:51 am
Very powerful chapter, my dear!

And thus begins their rivalry... and with that last line a little more of the William he was is stripped away, and a little more of the Spike he will become shows its face.

Well done, you handled a difficult subject matter very well.
Thanks, Always. You know how much your opinion means to me. I really appreciate the review. :)

kim
04/19/2007 01:43 am
And Spike is *really* born....
Getting there, at least.

04/19/2007 12:37 am
A fantastic read -- it's all too understandable how and why sweet William became William the Bloody. He needs to use his head if he's going to outwit the brute!
Exactly. William (soon to be Spike) needs cunning, more than brawn. Luckily, he has that in spades.

Thanks for the review. :)

Carole
04/18/2007 09:47 pm
The last line reminded me of Poe's "The Raven" and that other tale of love lost, guilt and obsession. If William no longer exists then his losses shouldn't hurt anymore. I think he wants it to hurt though. His penance for his mom and for letting Elizabeth go. Did he want to anger Angelus? He had to decide if being a psychopath was his boundary or his destination. Which means that he's already stronger than the others. I just want to say that I am having so much fun with this story! It's a real pleasure to find updates. Thanks again.
"Did he want to anger Angelus?"

...very, very astute observation, Carole. I'll be delving into that more deeply in following chapters. I'm really impressed how easily you picked up on it.

Thanks for the review! :)

04/18/2007 09:24 pm
Great, absolutely fantastic. You are very convincing in potraying your characters and for this I love and read your work.
Thank you so much! :)

04/18/2007 09:14 pm
Hatred? Hmm... surely he'll get over it (perhaps that was a crazy question, however, I do agree with the hatred, though IMHO, it wars with some kind of... admiration? Affection? That goes both ways between the two of them). Lovely update, and I can't see what Spike will do next.

And website? Where?
Two things to keep in mind about the hatred, Scarlet Ibis. One is that the timeline has been altered by Buffy, so things might not be as they always were on the show (as in the case of William's more ambivilent feelings toward Dru). The second thing to keep in mind is that this was William's stream of consciousness immediately following the attack. Seething hatred is pretty much all anyone would feel after going through something similar. Those feelings may change, over time, or they may not. You'll just have to read to find out. :P

Thanks so much for the review!

04/18/2007 08:16 pm
Our poor William, what's he going to do now? Hate to watch him as he lets his demon take over more and more. Now he knows exactly what Angelus is. Our poor sweet William.

I couldn't believe it when I saw your update, I'd just been to your website to see if you've updated yet, but you still have only chapter ten there. It was just my luck that you've updated, thanks Cam, love this story.
Yeah, I'm getting behind pretty much everywhere, lol. But BSV and SR get the updates first, so as long as you check here, you'll know you've gotten the latest. Thanks for the review! :)

Deb
04/18/2007 08:13 pm
Difficult scene that you handled with enough detail to advise and emotion to understand Spike's defiant attitude in response to this defiling moment. I really feel like your writing captures the vision of setting and movement. Really brings the story to life. Love it all.
Thanks so much, Deb. I'm glad you like it.