Forward to Time Past by Unbridled_Brunette
Chapter: Chapter Thirty-Three

LindsayH
06/02/2007 05:03 am
Oh, yeah, Spike's stickin it to the man! Man, I hate Angel!
lol. I hate Angel, but I have to admit I have a soft spot for Angelus. He's a bastard, but he's fun to write. :)

Esther
05/03/2007 12:01 am
Hot damn, another fantabulous chapter!! WOW!! Love that William's grown into his own, although I'm gonna miss my William, but it's nice to see that he's not gonna take their crap anymore. Good for him. I'm also wondering how much his change will affect his feelings for Elizabeth cause it feels like he's starting to let her go. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I can't wait to find out!! Great job!!!
I'm glad you liked the chapter. Thanks for taking the time to review. :D

I have to admit, I miss William, too. But since he's becoming Spike, I guess that eases the ache a little bit. I know that Elizabeth didn't seem to be on the forefront of his mind in this chapter (aside from the mention of her in regards to his forgiving Dru) but she is still very much in his thoughts. He's much too dogged in his passion to let her go so easily. ;)

fanxstitch
04/29/2007 06:28 am
Thank you for another brilliant chapter. I'm loving your development of William as a vampire. Very well done.
Thank you. I'm glad you liked it. :)

hellbound
04/29/2007 05:14 am
I think those last two lines are the funniest thing I've ever read. The whole chapter was wonderful but the end was absolutely histerical. I hope you write a few more chapters like this, its brilliant.
I'm so glad you think so. :) I laughed myself when I wrote that line ... it just sort of wrote itself. Spike's such a little scamp; "Daddy" is going to have a real time with this one...

04/29/2007 04:47 am
That's what sometimes happens when someone who has been so controlled for so long is driven to really cut loose. I don't think he would've done it nearly as quickly nor as completely had Angelus not driven him to it. I miss the William/Elizabeth interaction, but I'm enjoying the making of Spike very much.
Exactly. Angelus dug his own grave, so to speak, when he tried to control Spike by force. I know the Elizabeth/William interaction was fun, but I'm glad you're enjoying this, as well. And don't fear ... the romance isn't over yet. Thanks for the review. :)

04/29/2007 04:17 am
Wonderful chapter, as always.

I 'm really enjoying William's descent into evil as well as his suicidal attack on Scotland Yard. I don't understand how they would all recognize him at once. Wouldn't it be more likely that one specific person (the blacksmith maybe) would see him and realize who he was, then alert the others. A minor detail. Angelus is excellent, too.
Well, I have mentioned in previous chapters that William(now Spike) has become famous in London and that his pictures are all over the papers So, I don't think it's a far reach to say that he would be easily recognized.

I'm glad you liked the chapter. I had a lot of fun writing it, especially the Spike/Angelus interaction. Thanks for reviewing. :)

04/29/2007 04:01 am
Words fail me. I literally cannot find enough good things to say about this fic.

The characterizations are absolutely brilliant - dead on target. This look back at William/Spike's history is absolutely riveting. As others have said, you've made the events of the story seem so plausible, that it's easy to foreget that this isn't canon. But... I keep thinking that it ought to be. And Spike is coming into his full glory - daring, rebellious, defiant, attention-seeking and displaying some of the same death-wish that he eventually comes to see in the slayers he later seeks out to do battle with. Spike might be trying to leave William behind, but it's so easy to see that the remnants of William often, if subconsciously, motivate many of Spike's actions.

Angelus has his hands full. He doesn't have clus as to how to handle Spike. And he's clearly frustrated, torn between his need to keep his "family" safe and his need to control Spike's outrageous behaviot. I think part of his cruelty towards Spike stems from his frusrtation. Angelus is clearly a control freak, and Spike won't be controlled. It's clear they're going to butt heads furiously and often.

I can't wait to see how you detail the rest of William the Bloody's history. I'm sure it's not going to pretty at times, but I'm sure it's going to be fascinating. :)

What a nice review, HPfan. I love it when people take the time to break down what they enjoyed in the chapter. :)

I'm so glad you picked up on the Angelus/William(Spike) dynamic. I do feel that Angelus has a genuine affection for Spike, but he doesn't want to give up his control. His first attempt at domination wasn't very successful, and I think he's starting to learn that, as you said, he has his hands full. A good way to sum up Spike at this point is he's mad as hell and he isn't going to take it anymore. :P And since he's found his pleasure in the "fist and fangs" style of fighting, I'm sure he will continue to be a thorn in Angelus' side. I'm glad you enjoyed their interaction and thanks for taking the time to tell me so!

veronica
04/29/2007 03:16 am
my favorite story just keeps getting better and better... please keep those chapters coming!
Thank you so much. I'm glad you like it. :)

I'm going to start on chapter 34 tomorrow, so hopefully it won't be long before an update.

04/29/2007 12:23 am
So well written. The characters are so true - and William's harsh lessons really have made him a dark knight.
Thank you. :)

04/28/2007 11:44 pm
It's fitting that William should adopt a name coined by the newspapers. We are all named by others, whether at birth or with a nickname that fits our personalities. I also love how, even though Spike now sees himself as different from William, he still opens doors and pulls out chairs for ladies. You can vamp the gentleman, but you can't take the gentleman out of the vamp :)

I also like how you've woven your tale into the events of the canon: the wedding were Angelus crushed the priest's head like a melon, William's drawing attention to himself in the public eye, Angelus trying to control him. You fill in blanks almost so seamlessly that I barely remember that these things didn't happen the canon, and I start to think that maybe they should have :-)

One thing I noticed about the episode "Crush" was how Spike tried to open the door for Buffy when she was storming out of the warehouse. That seemed like such a "William" thing to do. In fact, he seemed like William a lot during that episode. So, I completely agree, he's cultivating his new self, but he isn't able to completely shed his old one.

I'm glad you like what I'm trying to do. I've had some people complaining (on other sites) about William/Spike being an unsympathetic character, but I don't see him that way at all. I'm just trying to write it the way it was ... which is not all rainbows and sunshine.:P

Thanks for the review!

04/28/2007 09:05 pm
What a completely BRILLIANT chapter!!!! My God, you have written William/Spike PERFECTLY! His bravado, his genuine not caring about the end result only in the pure exhiliration of going fist and fang in a fight he may or may not win! This is inspired, hon.

Eager for more.

Kathleen
Thank you so much! I'm so pleased you like it. William/Spike and Angelus are a lot of fun to write, even when they're misbehaving. But this was my favorite chapter of Part II (so far) because it showed that William was down and not out. He's far to resileant to be bullied by his grandsire.

04/28/2007 08:36 pm
fantastic chapter. dark, evil and funny. thank you
I'm glad you liked it. Thanks for the review. :)

Carole
04/28/2007 07:32 pm
This has got to be one of my favorite chapters. I loved it. So Angelus' anger wasn't enough punishment? I'm guessing the next level was suicide by angry mob while strengthening his feared reputation was the way to go. But he survives which means ever more mayhem and fights to seek out, onwards and upwards! As Spike, not William, because William doesn't deserve it, does he? Interesting that his feelings for Elizabeth are why he rationalizes his kindness to Dru. That's still William.
I laughed at the end. Angelus sounds like a parent who has just gotten another call from the principal. "Your son's been acting up again." Time to threaten him with something, or someone, else. Lovely work.
That's the very vibe I've been getting from Angelus. I think he genuinely likes Spike, but he wants to keep him in his "place." His attempt at domination had the opposite effect, because now Spike is determined not only to disobey, but to be a thorn in Angelus' side, as well. I'm glad you liked the chapter. Thanks for taking the time to tell me so. :)

04/28/2007 07:02 pm
I don't know why, but the end of this chapter made me laugh out loud. I could so perfectly see the outrageous look on Angelus' face! And once again I'm struck with the notion that this is just exactly the way it all happened. Already I'm imagining that Angelus leads his family to the luxury of a mine shaft, and he first fills William's--no, Spike's--head with thoughts of the Slayer. I can so easily picture his life leading up to the Boxer Rebellion and his first Slayer kill, perhaps in this reality it's when he finally allows himself to love Drusilla, and for the next century they continue living and loving their lives of blood and mayhem, fist and fang. Until he meets another Slayer, in another time...
Gah, I'm just squirming for more!
I laughed when I wrote it, Coquine. I'm glad you had the same reaction. :D

Mrs X
04/28/2007 06:27 pm
I don't have words...but I'll try anyway. Fantastic chapter! I didn't think it was possible, but you make me ache for and love Spike even more than I already did. The way you paint the picture is completely believable and it's painfully beautiful.
Thank you so much, Mrs X. You have no idea how happy your review makes me. :)

Onyx
04/28/2007 05:43 pm
HAH! I loved this chapter, it was all very dark, and surprisingly (despite circumstances of murder and evil) FUNNY!
I had a lot of fun writing it, so I'm not surprised it came across as funny. I thought you'd like it, Onyx. You're like me, you can take the dark chapters as well as the light. Thanks for the review! :D

04/28/2007 02:01 pm
*Bow's down to you* Another brilliant one UB. I love evil Spike :P Love all the mayhem he is creating and the mental frustration it brings Angelus, is just the icing on the cake for me.

Oh, and I finally started on the banner. Had to finish up a few other projects but now I'm all over it. :D
That is so nice of you, AC. Thanks for taking the time to make the banner. :)

I had a lot of fun writing this chapter. I love Angelus, but I love Spike much more, so it's a lot of fun to write Spike tormenting his former "teacher." I'm glad you liked reading it. Thanks for the review. :)

04/28/2007 11:12 am
Great chapter, you explained very well how William had become Spike.
Thank you!

04/28/2007 09:00 am
That last line was great! :lol:

I love this chapter! It was just so Spike. I could practically see the smirk on Spike's face.

Wonderful update!
That's the very image I had in my mind when I wrote it. Thanks for the review. :)

kim
04/28/2007 08:53 am
LOL....I love that William has surprised Angelus...he really didn't think the boy would go this far...had no idea what they'd really taken in. Oh, you're building these up perfectly to lead up to various scenes we saw in canon. They'll be hiding down the mine, next...and we'll get mention of the Slayer. And William will have a new goal....
I'm definitely working to weave the canon events with my own plotline, so the mine shaft is not too far away for them. Thanks for the review. :)

04/28/2007 08:32 am
OMG, I am totally in love with the chapter. I enjoyed the enteraction with Spike and Drusilla, and how he refused to let Angelus break him. You have a knack for bring the past to life, and I'm enjoying this walk-through of Spike's past and how he became as we know him. Looking forward to more.
Thank you so much, GB. I'm really working to maintain a realism to the chapters, so your review just made my day. :)

04/28/2007 08:00 am
How great is it that you've got me cheering for him?
I mean, that last line inspired me to actually pump my damn fist in the air. What I'm trying to say is, wherever you're going, you've got me along for the ride 100%.
Excellent storytelling.
lol. It was definitely meant to be an empowering chapter, so I love your reaction to it! I'm so proud of William (now Spike). He's a resileant (albeit evil) boy. Thanks for the review!

04/28/2007 07:58 am
He's being a real pain isn't he. Got to be his own man. I love it that he still is in love with Elizabeth and Dru holds very little of him. Excellent update, thanks
Yeah. He's protective of Dru, and affectionate of her, but he isn't in love with her in the least. I'm glad you picked up on that. He's not going to forget Buffy(Elizabeth) no matter how badly he might behave. Thanks for the review. :)

04/28/2007 07:48 am
lol! Part of that just seemed hilarious to me. Loved the big fights, and loved the way that William picked them. You express each character beautifully, and make Spike and Drusilla into the most darling and twisted sweathearts.
Thank you so much. :) I know some people were disappointed to see that Spike/William is showing affection for Dru. He isn't "in love" with her, but I really don't think he could live with her and sleep with her without feeling something. And I definitely wanted to portray the protectiveness of her that we saw on the show. It was one of the things that kept him from being a pure "villian." Thanks for the review.

04/28/2007 07:42 am
LOL...I do so love it when Spike pushes Angelus' buttons! Loved the chapter. Thank you!
Thanks. :) I have to admit I got an evil little kick out of this chapter. I have a great affection for the boys when they were "bad."