Buffy went to heaven when she died. Where do you think Spike or Angel would end up after they died? Hell or Heaven?

Apparently, it wasn't heaven so much as Paradise of sorts, or some paradise dimension, according to Angel s4.  Darla was brought back, kinda, after she dusted herself by the powers...Could be nothingness, or could be a pardise type of place.  After saving the world so many times, that has billions of people, I'm sure that should wipe the slate clean.  The scales have been tipped tremendously by their doing the work of good...and to be fair, they did not committ murders as humans, but as soulless demons, so to be sent, or their souls rather, to the human equivalent of hell would be wrong, I would think.

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I'm with the heaven idea.  I know "Hellbound" revealed that they both think they're going to hell, but from a semi-theological standpoint, I would say their regret and repentance as well as their redeeming acts of world save-age have set them up for heaven.

I believe that if you seriously repent, and regret your actions, then you're forgiven.  And I don't believe God, or the Powers, or whoever, would punish the soul for the actions of the demon.  That's why I always wondered why the hell did Angel need to work for redemption?  From a theological stand-point, his soul is innocent of any of Angelus's wrong-doings.  Granted, it might feel it necessary to make amends for it's actions as the moral Liam, but Angel never seemed to be sorry for those actions...  So to make a long point short, I believe they'd go to heaven.

Well, I think when William's soul was replaced by Spike's demon that his soul probally went to some kind of perdition until his eartly body was no more. But the real question is whether the demon "Spike" would get a non-hellish plane after his demise or would it follow William's soul to heaven now that they are joined?

The soul doesn't replace the demon.  It joins with it.  The demon is what...animates the corpse, I guess.

I can see where the guilt and regret would come in--we are our thoughts and memories, which is why Angel and Spike felt remorse.  But at the same time, their souls should not be punished.  I think that when they do finally dust, the soul and demon would separate. 

The soul doesn't replace the demon. It joins with it. The demon is what...animates the corpse, I guess.

Why do you feel that way? I thought every time willow cursed Angel she put it back into him because he lost his soul and when the Afrincan demon restored Spikes soul he placed his hand on his chest and seem to place it into him?

I agree that the demon animates the corpse because that is what it is a corpse, a body with no soul/life 

What happens to the soul and the demon are things that seem to change regularly depending on what author or fic you are reading. The one thing the show has shown, if not clearly with Angel while he lacks a real, obvious personality, is that the demon isn't some force that takes possession of a body and has nothing to do with the person they were before. Think of VampWillow in "The Wish". Thing is, people can't agree either if the soul is a moral compass, the ability to feel guilt, the way of making a vamp human enough to see their victims as people, or humanity and all its emotions. We know personality and memories and how the person thought affects how the demon thinks, like Willow being stepped on and used and resenting it, but being a good persona nd swallowing that resentment for the most part when she's a weak human- it's Willow who rebels and tries to prove differently as a vampire, not some random demon taking over an empty body.

The guest didn't say the soul replaced the demon. S/he said the demon replaced the soul - which is pretty much accurate. When a person is turned, the soul goes into the ether, and the demon sets up shop in the body. However you want to define "soul" and "demon," and what they each do, the show has given us as fact that the two are metaphysical entities that enter and leave the body.

When a vampire is resouled, the soul doesn't replace the demon. I don't think anyone's disputing that. It seems fairly obvious from watching Angel's constant struggle as a souled vampire that the demon is still present.

Guest--

I just meant that putting the soul back doesn't eradicate the demon. 

I personally feel that the soul would be the more valued moral compass as opposed to a demon, but as we've seen in the Whedonverse, that isn't always true either.  There's a majority answer, sure, but it seems to me that demons are pretty much the human soul in reverse ("most" demons are inherently evil and most human soulled individuals are inherently "good," but there are exceptions to both rules), but neither as a whole can be described as infinitely evil or infinitely good and pure.  It all comes down to the personality, it seems; what one's limits are and how they choose to deal with the problems around them.  It all comes down to choice.

Here's a thought; if a soul's "rightful" resting place is heaven and/or heaven-like dimension, and demons come from Hell/the Hellmouth/Hell dimensions, wouldn't it make sense that when a souled vampire dies/dusts, the soul goes to heaven and the demon goes to hell, and both are happy to go there?  Of course, this is if you subscribe to the whole dichotomy theory that exists in the Buffy verse of soul = good and no soul = evil, which I don't, but that's a rant for another thread.  I am making an assumption that demons are happy in hell/hell dimensions, since so many of them spend so much time and energy trying to open the Hellmouth, but I don't think it's that far of a leap...