Who do you think would win in a fight to the death?
Angel(us)
or
Spike

your thoughts

Interesting.  If you're asking who is a better fighter, I would say Spike--he puts more passion into everything.  Who would win in a fight to the death?  I don't think they could fight each other to the death.  They would ultimately break down and realize that they actually care more for each other than they would ever admit.

I agree with Lindsay.  Just cause you have the strong inclination to kick someone's ass sometimes doesn't mean you want them dead.  As far as who would beat who into submission perhaps, yeah, I'd put my money on Spike over Angel at any period in time.  As for Angelus, well, are we talking when Spike was first turned?  If so, then Angelus.  If we're talking Angelus post ensouling, then Spike.

I agree. I can't see either Spike or Angel ever killing each other, because they do deep down care for each other. And also, in some ways now, they are each other's crutch. Both are vampires with souls and thus, the only ones who could possibly understand what that means.

Hmm, Spike for me.  The feats he has accomplished for his age are very impressive.  And all-around, his excistence is more about fighting and being warrior then Angel/us.  Also Angel/us was never know to be a great fighter, Spike was as the ancient mystical demon said "A legendary dark warrior".

Well if they do care about eachother deep down, they sure have a weird way of showing it... but to me I think they're more like a married couple, they fight and they fight but they always end up doing something stupid together.

Well Lindsay is it? I agree with you as well I just kinda figured that they would one day end up actually fighting to the death.

Well,  I agree that they fight like a married couple sometimes, but sometimes it's more of a sibling rivalry.

yes my hypothesis exactly... well almost lol, but yah I agree with that as well which is why I need lotz of help... :)

We have already seen Spike beat Angel in Destiny and not kill him when he had him totally at his mercy - I think the only way that either would kill the other would be in a position where they had to defend in a life/death situation.  Plus I think that that, while in their usual extreme anger mode, they would not kill each other, but if either really felt that their life was in danger, neither would hold back at all. 

That was just an excuse (besides the fact that he doesn't even go see her and let her know that he's back, let alone hearing her bitch about anything).  In "In the Dark," on AtS, he can't even  torture Angel himself, let alone kill him.  Or in "Lover's Walk," his initial plan was to give him some kind of magical curse involving boils or something.  He just lost the love of his unlife, and didn't even plan to kill Angel for it (who he blamed mostly for their breaking up--if he hadn't taken her away, he never would've had to call a truce with Buffy).  Spike can't kill him.  As for Angel, well, staking Darla pretty much ruined him for killing his family (not that he wanted to do that--only when she becomes a threat to the warrior of good does he do it).  Sure, he tries to set Dru and Darla on fire, but he was kind of broken by then.  Besides, he knew it wouldn't kill them--he wasn't ready even then.  That was more of a dark and disturbed warning.

Why can't he Kill him, he was going to kill Drusilla

Spike, both pre-chip and post-soul can kill when he really wants to -

Look how, without a second of hesitation, he staked Harmony just to test out the Gem of Amara - he kills vamps all the time - with the "i'll kill Dru for you" I don't think that was ever really going to happen - look at how he resolved that situation -  by going into a snit outburst - however if Dru, after he falls in love with Buffy, ever put those he cared about in real danger, I think he would kill her the same way that Angel kills Darla when she tried to kill Buffy.  I think Angel had intended to kill both Dru and Darla - if they managed to somehow escape the flames he set to them fine, if not, also just fine - anyway that is how I see that event.

Wonder if Dru will make an appearance in Angel After the Fall -

Sure He Can Kill With The Chip In His Head, But He Can Only Kill Demons. Because He Cannot Harm Humans Without Getting A Major Headache.

I don't think he was going to kill Drusilla.  When she gets untied while he's fighting Harmony, she goes after a still bound Buffy, and all he does is toss her away from Buffy.  He doesn't keep attacking her.  Sure, they needed Dru for other story lines on Angel, but if his true intent was to kill her, they could have at least had him seriously attempt to do so.  Spike thought the appearance of a grand gesture such as offing his sire---the woman he loved for over a hundred years, would be enough to convince Buffy.  "We like to talk big, vampires do."  So, he talked big to prove a point.  He wasn't going to for real.

Ha yah most likely, I was biting my nails trying to figure out if he was actually going to kill Drusilla.

I'd say motivation for the figth would have much to do with the outcome.  I got the impression that Angelus was more likely to trick and torture whereas Spike loved to wade into a crowd (the more likely he was to have his own ass kicked the better) and go fist and fang.  BUT Angel HAS learned to fight quite well and has bulk on his side.  If Spike really wanted the "prize" like in Destiny on AtS where he WANTED to beat Angel for that cup of perpetual torment (and the Shanshu that supposedly went with it) AND because talk of Buffy fueled the momentum....well Spike DID win that one. 

If you mean early days (pre-Angel soul time)....well Angel was older and bigger and Spike was still close to his William days so I'd imagine Angel would wipe the floor with him.

Kathleen
My money's on Spike though because he's learned that there is no wrong way to fight (dirty is fine) when you are out to win and Angel is still concerned with "style".

true

 "BUT Angel HAS learned to fight quite well and has bulk on his side."   

Angel has never been that bulky to begin with, he's also considerd quite lean.  It's just that David B. gained some weight in the final seasons.  In After the fall Angel's depicted as being quite lean again.
On the subject of vampires, Older Angel has never proven to be that much stronger if any in pyshical strength compared to older Spike.


"My money's on Spike though because he's learned that there is no wrong way to fight (dirty is fine) when you are out to win and Angel is still concerned with "style"".

True, but don't be mistaken, Angel is one of the dirtiest fighters around, Connor even brings it up when Angel says:"Nobody expects you to fight fair", where Connor answers:"Maybe you should be concerned about it" or something like that.
And he has repeatedly stabbed someone in the back to win.  Sure Spike is no saint, but the main-difference is that he has fought epic, one on one battles.  Hell even in Destiny, he fights Angel on the same level everytime, hand to hand,weapons,game-face,ect.

Another thing is WHAT they're fighting with. To me it seems while Spike is more skilled hand-to-hand, Angel has more experience with weapons such as swords and the like.

Hi Chaotic_Soul

wonderful signature quote you use - is that yours or can you give the source if it is a quote -

Hi! It's mine, I wrote it a while back, and have used it as a signature on a few sites. Glad you like it!