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I Was Made to Love You: Episode Discussion

Oct 31 2008 02:15 pm   #1sosa lola

- You'd think Spike is literally a crumbled, used toilet tissue from the way Buffy is so disgusted by his declaration of love. It's not because he's a vampire, because Buffy has no problem with getting attracted to vampires. I think she's revolted by Spike as a person. She still doesn't know the real man behind that cocky, motorcycle-rider, cigarette-smoker, bad-boy guise.

- Puffy Xander is adorable, I love his supportive, lift-Buffy's-spirits-up speech. If I were Buffy, I'd have hugged him as well. Why don't I have a guy friend like Xander? I want one!

- BUFFY: Yeah, and the minute after that I can terrify him with my alarming strength and remarkable self-involvement.

Riley-issues.

- Poor Joyce, she has a date and she's so happy. That's when you know something bad is gonna happen soon.

- I love the scenes between Anya and Tara when they're alone without the other Scoobies. Their scenes are always amusing it's nice to see them bonding with someone who's not their significant other. 

- Tara is talking about Willow being good at the computer stuff. Sigh, I miss Computer Nerd Willow, I've always seen her as more appealing and interesting than Witch Willow.

- ANYA: But you have to try online trading, it's great! The secret is avoiding the tech companies everyone was jumping on, and, and going with the smaller firms that supply the basic components.
TARA: Uh-huh.
ANYA: Anyway, I took the money from working for Giles, and I tripled it.
TARA: Tripled? Like, first money, then money money money?
ANYA: Yes. I'm thinking about buying something very expensive. Maybe an antelope.

Go Anya!!! :D

- XANDER: How you doing, having o' the fun?
BUFFY: You know, I am. Dancing with you is way better than trying to hook up with some good-looking guy.
XANDER: I think I liked it better when you were kicking me in my puffy groin.

Heee! Adorable. Again, I want a Xander of my own.

- Anya is also adorable, it was her idea to have Xander dancing with Buffy in order to lift her spirits up. I love when Anya thinks of others before herself and Xander.

- Ben is certainly the best choice for a rebound guy after Riley. They're disturbingly similar, except Riley is more endearing for some reason.

- Look at how Insecure Buffy is trying to score *hugs her*

- ANYA: She speaks with a strange evenness and selects her words a shade too precisely.
XANDER: Well, some of us like that kind of thing in a girl.
Anya smiles at him.

WILLOW: There's something strange about her. She talks funny.
ANYA: Some men find that appealing.
She smiles at Xander, who smiles back.
 
Aww! Too much adorable for one episode :D

- Wow, check Tara's lack of blouse and exposed back ;)

- It's cute that Mature Tara is the one annoyed by Willow noticing a beautiful girl, while Immature Anya is more aware than to get upset over a trivial thing.

- Spike just never gives up. :D His attitude here is different than the earlier episode, I guess appearing like a love-sick-puppy after being humiliated by Buffy's decision to de-invite him won't do good to his image. So he's back to taunting, which is why I just love him!

- It's interesting that Ben wants to date Buffy even though he knows she's the slayer. You'd think he'll stay away from her knowing that her sister is the key Glory, his other half, is searching for.

- Awww, Spike breaks my heart trying to get Buffy jealous but choosing the wrong girl, ending up thrown through the window, breaking the glass, out of the newly redecorated club in front of everybody, especially Buffy and the Scoobies. *Hugs him* I know some fans dislike having Spike put in an embarrassing situation, to be honest, it's why I love him. I hate when male leads are made to be cool and manly, they become boring and not relatable. When a guy stumbles now and then into a funny situation, I'm in love.

- Hee, loved Buffy's gleeful grin at Spike being thrown out. However, she'll get punished for it. Why didn't Spike stick around to watch Buffy's humiliation?

- For a robot, April sounds like a human. How can she express emotions like guilt? My mind is still working on how Warren was able to build such a robot. He's just twenty, or even younger when he had built her, and judging by the few months he'd spend on the Buffy-bot, I assume it didn't take long to make April. I think some aspects of the show are better left alone and fans shouldn't hurt their heads thinking about how to make plot-points sound believable. In the end, it's just fiction.

- It’s funny how the Scoobies were able to tell that April was a robot but they couldn't tell that Buffy-bot was not their Buffy, but a robot as well.

- Why they didn't show us Giles baby-sitting Dawn? That would have been so much fun! :D

- It's adorable when Joyce jokes about having sex to Buffy, and Buffy's "Mother!" was so great.

- Love Tara using the word "ass" :D She's so comfortable around the Scoobies now, I'm glad she's over her outsider feelings.

- ANYA: It's okay for him to say that, 'cause I know that he really loves me only.

Love a confident girlfriend ;)

- TARA: Oh, do you have any books on robots?
GILES: Oh, yes, dozens. There's an enormous amount of research we should do before - no, I'm lying. I haven't got squat, I just like to see Xander squirm.
XANDER: (fake laugh) Funny. Charming and funny.

Too adorable for words!

- Xander misses Oz, who can blame him? He seriously needs a guy friend in the group, since I'm sure he has some working in construction.

- Buffy's disgusted reaction to Warren's sexbot foreshadows her disgusted reaction to Spike's sexbot, with Spike it'll be double disgust since his sexbot is Buffy.

- I wonder why Warren and Katrina were still in Sunnydale next year? Don't they have to get back to college in Dutton?

- I wonder what Dawn's role was in the whole Ted episode. I guess she was as deceived as her mom, Xander and Willow.

- So in order to go to school, Dawn goes to the Magic Box looking for Buffy or Xander to do the job of having her be there safe and sound? Why doesn't she go by herself? She had done it in Blood Ties.

- Wow, everybody is against Spike. And by that I mean EVERYBODY. Willow who's usually sweet with him has a whole new hostile attitude toward him, which I'm not sure she'll ever recover from in the future. We rarely see Willow and Spike interacting in S5, S6 and S7. I'm sure this anger is because of Spike chaining Buffy in the previous episode as well as Buffy's disturbed feelings about this whole subject. The gang is aware that Spike follows Buffy around from place to place, which is creepy stalking. So I can understand why they're so upset with him now. Nonetheless, Spike still breaks my heart in this scene.

- I do feel slightly bad for Warren, I mean, yeah, he turned out to be a monster in S6 but you don't turn out to be a monster out of the blue, you go through stuff that make you turn out that way. I believe Warren needed love, he needed someone's attention, which is why he made April. Then he met a real girl who gave him that attention. I think if he dealt with April better, like turned off her batteries and locked her somewhere else, things would have worked out fine for him. He might have grown to be a better person.

- Warren's reasons for creating April were also the same reasons Spike wanted Bot-Buffy to be made: Love, attention and sex. Warren invented a random girl from his imagination, Spike had asked for his robot to look like the girl he loves, a girl who exists. Spike's robot is probably ickier than Warren's, since it looks like an alive girl. Poor Buffy. But I guess loneliness, rejection, being resented make you do crazy things. What I love about the show is that you sympathize with all the sides: Warren, April, Katrina, Spike and Buffy. Or that's just me.

- The way Buffy is talking about April like she's a real person is the writers telling us how she's letting out the frustrations she buried inside about her break up with Riley. Warren left April like Riley had left Buffy, without giving her a chance to fix what's wrong or work things out. It's nice to see bits and pieces of how Riley's departure affected Buffy.

- This is ridiculous. April is a robot. How can he tell her and do it right? Just take off her batteries, Warren! And then Buffy has some sentimental chat with April who's mind, thoughts and views on life is created by Warren… *shakes head*

- Aww, I love Xander's proud smile at himself finally being a grown-up, someone useful and important. He came a long way from the bibbling idiot in S1.

- It's an interesting conversation between Buffy and Xander. Being too obsessed with your partner to the point where you have nothing else going on in your life but to please said partner… that can't be said about both Buffy and Xander. Xander doesn't get it, because Anya isn't his only priority, he has his friends and his job. His whole life isn't centered around Anya. Same goes for Buffy, her life isn't centered on her current boyfriend, she has her slaying, her family and her friends. Actually, Buffy and Xander are just being healthy.

- BUFFY: (to herself) Still a couple of guys gettin' it right.

Those couple of guys, are they Brian and Ben? Or Brian and Xander?

- Okay, the writers are smart. Having a funny episode before a tear-jerking one is very balancing. I had a good laugh watching this episode, and I'm ready for some tears. Bring 'em on!
 

Oct 31 2008 06:57 pm   #2Eowyn315
It's not because he's a vampire, because Buffy has no problem with getting attracted to vampires.
I disagree. I think it has a lot to do with him being a vampire. First, Angel had a soul, so she sees an obvious difference between her relationship with Angel and Spike's crush on her. Plus, even with the soul, Buffy still angsted over her relationship with Angel and how wrong it was (but she still couldn't help herself)). So I think that would go double for Spike, since he doesn't even have the soul to alleviate some of the issues. Plus, now that she's been through Angelus, she knows that relationships with vampires never end well, so I can see a bit of an "oh, no, not again" reaction in her rejection of Spike.

ANYA: Anyway, I took the money from working for Giles, and I tripled it.
Gosh, Anya, maybe you should've gotten a job a year ago when Xander had no money and you were complaining about the shitty basement and how he never bought you nice stuff.

Spike just never gives up.
See, this is why I don't think "Sorry, I'm not interested" would've worked on Spike. Buffy was as mean about it as possible, and he still didn't get the hint. What makes people think that a simple "I'm not interested" would've deterred him in the slightest? The only point where he even remotely got the hint was when he slammed into the invitation barrier, and even then, we see him back at it in the next episode, so it didn't stop him for long.

It's interesting that Ben wants to date Buffy even though he knows she's the slayer. You'd think he'll stay away from her knowing that her sister is the key Glory, his other half, is searching for.
I wonder if he actually liked Buffy, or if he had some ulterior motive in wanting to get to know her. Maybe he was trying to get closer so that he could to keep an eye on the Key, knowing it was important to Glory (which pays off, since as he discovers later, he could benefit from killing Dawn). Or maybe he was looking for help, and thought if he got to know Buffy well enough, she'd help him get rid of Glory so he could have his body to himself. He'd still be taking a risk, though, knowing that Glory could take over their body at any time.

I know some fans dislike having Spike put in an embarrassing situation, to be honest, it's why I love him.
It's not really the embarrassing situations that bother me, so much as when the situation is created by making Spike much stupider than we've seen him to be. I'm all for making fun of the characters, but not when they have to be written out of character to do it.

ANYA: It's okay for him to say that, 'cause I know that he really loves me only. Love a confident girlfriend ;)
Interesting that Anya is so confident now, when we've seen her much less so in the past. A lot of their season 4 relationship is Anya freaking out because Xander doesn't love her, or that they didn't have sex one night and so the relationship is over, etc. Even as recent as "Triangle," Anya was jealous of Willow, which implies she was less secure in her relationship with Xander than she is here.

I wonder why Warren and Katrina were still in Sunnydale next year? Don't they have to get back to college in Dutton?
I have no idea where Dutton is, but Warren strikes me as the slacker genius type - you know, the kind of guy who's too smart for his own good and ends up getting kicked out of school because he never does any work and doesn't care about classes. So I can buy him not going back to school next year. No idea what Katrina's deal is, but she only shows up for that one episode, so maybe she was just visiting.

So in order to go to school, Dawn goes to the Magic Box looking for Buffy or Xander to do the job of having her be there safe and sound? Why doesn't she go by herself? She had done it in Blood Ties.
When do we see her go by herself? She announces to Joyce that she'll go to school, and then storms past her out of the bedroom, but Joyce could've followed and given her a ride. I've always gotten the impression that the school was kind of far, since Dawn usually gets driven (she's picked up by Xander in the morning in season six). It makes sense, since Sunnydale High was destroyed, Dawn is probably going to a temporary building or a school in a neighboring town until the new one opens.

Willow who's usually sweet with him has a whole new hostile attitude toward him, which I'm not sure she'll ever recover from in the future. We rarely see Willow and Spike interacting in S5, S6 and S7.
Well, Willow was expressing fear and disgust when Buffy told her and Joyce about the crush in the last episode, so it's not surprising that she'd be even more hostile now. But I don't think she maintains that very long. She seems fine with him by the end of this season, and I think any lack of interactions between them later is simply due to them not having intersecting plots in season six and overcrowding in season seven. She doesn't seem too bothered by the revelation that Buffy was sleeping with him (except that she's the last to know), and it's hard for her to be very judgy about Spike once she's had a killing spree of her own.

It's nice to see bits and pieces of how Riley's departure affected Buffy.
Not to dredge up the old arguments from "Triangle," but I think this type of reaction is what we should've seen sooner, rather than the crying fits and the nuns - Buffy seriously being affected by Riley's departure, showing us that she really did care, and she really does regret the way it ended. The way the theme pops up in this episode, it almost feels a little out of place, since we've had a few episodes where Buffy seemed to have completely gotten over Riley (is he even mentioned after "Checkpoint"?), and now she's back to missing him.
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Oct 31 2008 08:34 pm   #3sosa lola

I disagree. I think it has a lot to do with him being a vampire.

You're right. Buffy had been attracted to Angel before she knew about him being a vampire. Spike has to work harder to gain her love and trust after what happened with Angel/Angelus.

No idea what Katrina's deal is, but she only shows up for that one episode, so maybe she was just visiting.

Maybe she was visiting her sister, she mentioned her in this episode.

I wonder if he actually liked Buffy, or if he had some ulterior motive in wanting to get to know her. Maybe he was trying to get closer so that he could to keep an eye on the Key, knowing it was important to Glory (which pays off, since as he discovers later, he could benefit from killing Dawn). Or maybe he was looking for help, and thought if he got to know Buffy well enough, she'd help him get rid of Glory so he could have his body to himself. He'd still be taking a risk, though, knowing that Glory could take over their body at any time.

Perhaps it's one of those reasons, I believe whatever it was, his intentions weren't evil or bad. That's not the vibe I got from him.

When do we see her go by herself? She announces to Joyce that she'll go to school, and then storms past her out of the bedroom, but Joyce could've followed and given her a ride.

I see your point, but why didn't Joyce give her a ride this morning as well? Why have her walk to the Magic Box searching for Buffy?

I'm all for making fun of the characters, but not when they have to be written out of character to do it.

I agree. Out of character is always bad IMO. What I meant was that I like Spike being put in a funny embarrassing situation now and then rather than have him always cool and untouchable.

Not to dredge up the old arguments from "Triangle," but I think this type of reaction is what we should've seen sooner, rather than the crying fits and the nuns - Buffy seriously being affected by Riley's departure, showing us that she really did care, and she really does regret the way it ended. The way the theme pops up in this episode, it almost feels a little out of place, since we've had a few episodes where Buffy seemed to have completely gotten over Riley (is he even mentioned after "Chekpoint"?), and now she's back to missing him.

I think they show us a small bit in every episode to remind us that she does miss him and that his departure affects her. In Checkpoint, she uses Riley's speech patterns to tell off the watchers and in Blood Ties she's upset he hadn't sent her a card. I guess the reason we don't see her thinking about him much is because she has so much going on what with Glory, Dawn and her mother slowly recovering.

Oct 31 2008 11:18 pm   #4Spikez_tart
It's interesting that Ben wants to date Buffy - I'm sorry they cut that off.  I would have liked to see that play out more.  It isn't clear exactly what Ben's motives are.  When does he find out she's the Slayer?  I know he knows at some point and there's probably that Welcome to Sunnydale Home of the Slayer sign on the outskirts of town (that line was from somebody's story and I can't remember who, so step up and take credit.) .
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Nov 01 2008 01:21 am   #5Eowyn315
I believe whatever it was, his intentions weren't evil or bad. That's not the vibe I got from him.
You know, I didn't get an evil or bad vibe from him, either, but it IS a pretty big coincidence that of all the people in Sunnydale for Ben to get a crush on, it happens to be the Slayer, the one person whose sister is the Key needed so Glory can go home. It's also curious that he doesn't really show an interest in Buffy until this episode (i.e. after he knows about Dawn). Before this, he was always nice, but not overly friendly or noticeably crushing on Buffy. I suppose it's possible that he wanted to wait until Buffy's mom was no longer his patient?

I see your point, but why didn't Joyce give her a ride this morning as well? Why have her walk to the Magic Box searching for Buffy?
Well, I think the REAL reason was because they wanted Dawn in the scene so that she could be cold to Spike - the most shocking of all of them, since it was clearly established that she had a crush on him in the last episode. But I guess you could say maybe Joyce had to be at the gallery early or something.

What I meant was that I like Spike being put in a funny embarrassing situation now and then rather than have him always cool and untouchable.
Oh, yeah, I do, too. I love it when they do it with Angel, too - AtS is way more fun when they mock their hero instead of treating him as grave and serious.

In Checkpoint, she uses Riley's speech patterns to tell off the watchers and in Blood Ties she's upset he hadn't sent her a card.
Duh, I forgot about the card thing already. Mind like a steel trap, I tell you. Though I don't think using Riley's speech patterns particularly indicates that she misses him. It just indicates that she spent a lot of time around him. (It's also in a way a little bit of a prelude to "General Buffy" that we'll see in season 7, adopting the military/war mindset about her calling.)
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Nov 01 2008 04:05 am   #6Guest
I don't think Spike would completely give up with a let him down gently approach, but he'd back off a bit if he was treated like a *person*, not be so obnoxious about it. He holds on like a pitbull because it's *such* a challenge right now, IMO. I think treating him like a person would be such a surprise, that he'd actually stop and take the words to heart for a minute, and extend a bit of courtesy back in return. Spike's kind of a mirror to how people treat him - so the more Buffy deny, deny, denies, the more he's going to press.

CM
Nov 01 2008 02:41 pm   #7slaymesoftly
I agree, CM. Plus, he really doesn't have much to do with himself at this point - gotten used to be stuck with the chip, but not able to quite move on to being a good guy, not exactly on the other vamps/demons' best buddy list.  So, changing Buffy's mind becomes something he sets as a goal. He works at it (not always in quite the ways he should, but...). I think his feelings for her actually grow during this time, while he's trying to be around her more and trying to help out. More time together = more time to develop their "I love you/I hate you" relationship into what it will eventually be.  For both of them. Spike's hanging around more may irritate Buffy, but it gives her some time to notice him as a person and to react, willingly or not, to him as a man.  They're well on their way to at least a friendship by the end of the season, and his pushiness decreases as her willingness to have him in her life increases.
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Nov 01 2008 05:09 pm   #8Scarlet Ibis
Ditto to the last two posts.  I just wanted to point out that there's no guarantee that Spike was there to see Buffy.  Usually, Buffy and her friends hang out at the Bronze, and this is just some random dorm party (which Spike has been known to go to before in the past, before he even liked Buffy).  So when he says, "Small world," I think it was just that.  From their exchange, it's clear that they hadn't seen each other since the night she revoked his invite.  Also, when she tells him to leave her alone, he does just that--he walks away without another word.
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Nov 02 2008 02:54 am   #9Spikez_tart
he walks away without another word. - Then proceeds to make a rude suggestion to April entirely for Buffy's benefit.  The two of them are both playing little sex games at the party.

Spike isn't the giving up type.  If Buffy had been nice to him, it would have just encouraged him more.  Angel sets the bar for his character back in School Hard - he just keeps coming.  "Once he
starts something he doesn't stop until everything in his path is dead." 

If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Nov 02 2008 03:28 am   #10Scarlet Ibis
Angel sets the bar for his character back in School Hard - he just keeps coming. "Once he starts something he doesn't stop until everything in his path is dead."
Um, I'm fairly certain that doesn't apply here...He's persistent, sure, but he leaves Buffy alone there, he tries to talk to her friends later, and when that doesn't work, he goes away.  Besides him trying to leave flowers for Joyce (anonymously), all other contact with Buffy and her people are initiated by them, and not by Spike for the rest of season 5.
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