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Dailies

Jul 14 2007 06:05 am   #1ZoeGrace

Very Funny Compilation of Dailies clips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6RALYJBTOE

(ignore the craptacular porn music.  eesh)

Oh also, in "wrecked" the dailies  There's one where she gets up to say the line about: "So this was just about doing a slayer?" (or something like that) and she's been kissed breathless and JM laughs.  I bet that was a hard workday. lmao.

Then there was a line in Wrecked we didn't see on air where Spike says something like: "Before you start spouting all your theories, you'd do well to remember, I can hurt you now."

Meow.  I know that shouldn't be meow, but yeah.  I hate they cut that out.

Jul 14 2007 06:16 am   #2Scarlet Ibis

Oh yeah- I saw those like a year ago.  I totally ripped off the daily lines from "Smashed" in my fic..  I'm not sure if they should have kept that little section cut, or put it in... I have to hear all the lines again.

"Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
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Jul 14 2007 06:37 am   #3ZoeGrace

I thought it was great.  Though it didn't make spike more "sympathetic" if that was what you're going for.  But...at the same time, she slept all night with him, so his "i can hurt you now" is totally just bluster.

i can't find the balcony dailies. 

Though I did see one with the oriental rug sex and JM whispered "sarah" (unless it's been doctored)  It was VERY faint, and I had to listen like 4 times (it was in the link above) but damn lol.

I understand it is acting, and SMG was married, etc.  But I honestly don't believe human beings are meant to simulate sex in pretend environments.  I couldn't be married to an actor that did scenes like this. 

Jul 14 2007 07:23 am   #4Scarlet Ibis

Well, she literally grinds on Ryan Phillippe in "Cruel Intentions."  Not sure if she was married to Freddie at the time, but they were definitely at least dating.  Also, Ryan was single at the time (though about to hook up at Reese).  There wasn't always actual physical (well, body) contact in their sex scenes- in the dailies of "Dead Things," it looks way tamer in actuality as opposed to after editing.

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Jul 14 2007 07:28 am   #5Scarlet Ibis

Check here: http://youtube.com/results?search_query=dead+things+dailies&search=Search

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Jul 14 2007 07:36 am   #6Scarlet Ibis

Okay, nevermind... I swear, I saw those dailies like a month ago- maybe they were taken down?

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Jul 14 2007 08:58 am   #7ZoeGrace

I don't know but I was looking through all of those on youtube.  I want to see the balcony scene dailies dammit!  I am the fan, I demand the dailies...  Grrrr.

Jul 14 2007 11:39 am   #8Guest

Zoe, I sent you a smaller file via email and uploaded this larger file to yousendit for you to download. This is good for 7 days or 100 downloads so feel free to help yourselves kidlets :)

http://download.yousendit.com/B559E266177151EE

Tam/spikelovebite

Jul 14 2007 01:09 pm   #9Guest

I don't think she was with Freddie yet during the filming of CI. They didn't get married until later on BTVS.

There's been mentions before that they had to ask James to tone down his acting out sex, cuz he was TOO good at making the motions look real. It was a weird thing for them to shoot all that, since they were soooo platonic in RL. He thought of her like a little sister.

CM

Jul 14 2007 09:36 pm   #10ZoeGrace

OMFG Tam, you rock, and Where the freaking hell have you been?

CM, I'm not sure how much he thought of her like a little sister if he was whispering her name during shooting, and not always stopping when they said "cut." 

Jul 14 2007 10:54 pm   #11Guest

Zoe, I've been judging and making awards for Fang and doing my best to muddle through real life issues. Let me know if you need any more dailies. I got tons.

As for the name dropping and reluctance to end the takes, one thing we should remember is that Sarah and James are...what? ACTORS. They ACT. And they're both very good at it. They wouldn't be where they are today if they weren't. Both have admitted that they tend to lose themselves in their roles, and this blatantly obvious with James. If you've ever seen Chance, James put as much passion into his scenes with Amber as he did with Sarah...with Juliet (and those two had AMAZING chemistry, admit it!)...and with Mercedes. You can even see it to a certain extent with Amy Acker, both as Fred and Illyria in Season 5 of Angel. 

IMO, James is a very passionate, sensual man and he was able to take that facet of his own nature and channel that into Spike, taking a character that wasn't meant to linger past the end of Season 2 and turning him into one of the most popular characters in the entire BtVS series. If he wasn't so good at what he does...we'd all be 'shipping Bangel.

And I can't believe I actually got that out without throwing up a little in my mouth...

Err-uh...no offense intended if any of you gentle readers 'ship Bangel, okay?

Tam/spikeslovebite

Jul 15 2007 07:23 am   #12ZoeGrace

hahahaha.  Well I mean I agree that they are both actors, and I'm not saying there was anything extra going on, I don't think that at all.  I'm just saying, JM is a method actor (or was at that point)  He BECOMES Spike.  So he would look at SMG and see Buffy, so if a name slipped past his lips one would think it would be "Buffy" not "Sarah" lol.  That's all I'm saying. ;)

Though I will agree the not stopping when they say 'cut.'  They could have just been "in the moment" so to speak.  (Reminds me of that ep in season two when Dru has been inside Giles' brain and gets a too little into kissing him and she says: "Sorry Luv, I was in the moment." hehe I love Dru.)

Jul 15 2007 08:24 am   #13Eowyn315

and not always stopping when they said "cut."

I know there's at least one take out there where they had to say "cut" twice... but I noticed in the balcony dailies that, as soon as they said "cut," James would let go and back away immediately, to the point where it actually caught my attention how quickly he was doing it, like Sarah had a disease or something. Maybe this scene was filmed after they missed the cut, and he was being more careful...

As for the name-dropping... actors do that all the time by accident (calling other actors by their real name in a scene). It's the kind of thing you see in blooper reels. It's a little more awkward to do it during a sex scene, but yeah, when you know a person by their real name, sometimes it just slips out.

James is pretty insistent that he thought of Sarah like a sister - the whole "having a crush on Sarah" thing was in the earlier seasons (and partially made up and spread around by Joss), and by the time they actually got together on the show, they were totally platonic, and Sarah was engaged. I imagine it's pretty awkward to do sex scenes with a "little sister" type friend - but I would think it's more comfortable than doing a sex scene with someone you don't know very well. At least they had years to develop a good working relationship first.

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Jul 15 2007 08:54 am   #14GoldenBuffy

 Meow.  I know that shouldn't be meow, but yeah.  I hate they cut that out.

When I read that I was right along with you on the meow, lol. They should have left that in, oh well. *sigh* me and my bf were talking about the whole simulated sex thing, and truly I have no idea how actors can do it. They really do have a gift, 'cause let me tell ya if that was me with James. Hey, I can dream. But one question does bother me, when actors do have to act those scenes out do they ever become aroused? Shows where my mind hangs out, lol.

Oh Tam, you can like send me all the dailies that you have, lol. Since i'm basically stuck on writing at the moment. RL is dragging me down and i just don't feel like writing.

I think Sara and Freddy started dating in 91 or 92, i can't remember the correct date and we all know when they got married. So during her CR days I think she was with him, but it's RP, could you not blame her for being all over him.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Jul 15 2007 09:01 am   #15ZoeGrace

I don't know when she got married to Freddie.

hahaha @ you thinking 'meow' too.

Jul 15 2007 10:48 am   #16Guest

According to IMDB, Sarah and Freddie met on the set of I Know What You Did Last Summer in 1997. They began dating in 2000, announced their engagement April 17, 2001, and married on September 1, 2002.

Tam/spikeslovebite

Jul 15 2007 01:45 pm   #17Spikez_tart

 But one question does bother me, when actors do have to act those scenes out do they ever become aroused? Shows where my mind hangs out, lol.

I heard an actor from Knots Landing (yeah - I know, the Dark Ages) talk about doing a sex scene with his leading lady (might have been Heather Locklear in her prime) and getting excited.  He'd been working with her for a long time and he felt "comfortable."  Embarassment followed when the director called cut.

 

 

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Jul 15 2007 02:41 pm   #18Caro Mio

Well, the actual filming of even those scenes is very clinical. "Move this way....no, your head is in the way of the camera...okay, now put your hand on her there....right kiss 1, 2, 3, 4.....and cut!"

Most decent actors (as in the guy is a decent sort) will say "Sorry if something happens during the scene, or doesn't." If something comes up, and she's offended, sorry! If something doesn't come up and she's offended, sorry! Cuz he never knows, either, if that's going to happen.

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Jul 15 2007 04:00 pm   #19JoJoBird

sarah, in the balcony scene daily: "therse too much sex in this show"

hahahaha

Jul 15 2007 04:06 pm   #20slaymesoftly

Yay, Tam for supplying the missing films! (Um, I think she's probably the one who got them to me back in the day when I had dial-up and the wrong apps to open stuff like that).  Thanks for sharing!

If you look at any of the dailies or episodes, you might notice that, while James is naked a whole lot (one of his less-pleasant memories of that season), all you ever see of Sarah is bare shoulders - if that.  Those scenes of her riding him in Dead things? - from above the boobs up.  The under the rug scenes, in bed scenes, etc?  All just the implication that she is naked.  And in many of their sex scenes, they are both dressed. I suspect she was pretty firm about what she would and wouldn't do on camera. James has remarked about how uncomfortable it was to be the only one on the set standing around naked (except for his sock) while Sarah teased him and laughed at him.

Joan Collins *shudder* was being interviewed one time (a thousand years ago) about scenes in some potboiler she was filming where she and a much younger man were going at it hot and heavy and the interviewer asked her how they made it so realistic. She said "it was all us" - saying that they got so into it that they both got aroused. I don't know that she was necessarily telling the truth, but I'm sure it happens sometimes, human nature being what it is.  Unfortunately for them, only the male actor is going to have to worry about it being obvious. lol  And LOL at CM - yep, you don't know if you need apologize because you did and she's offended, or because you didn't and she's REALLY offended.  LOL Tricky line to walk.


I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
Jul 15 2007 04:54 pm   #21Eowyn315

I would bet that Sarah had a clause in her contract about how much skin she would show (and judging from what we saw on the show, I'd say it's "not much"). That's one of the things that makes me not like SMG - not that she wouldn't get naked, but that *she* was the one complaining when it was obviously way more uncomfortable for James (and *teasing* him? OMG, that's cruel). Because she's the star, she can throw her weight around, but James, as a supporting actor, basically is told "do what we tell you to do" whenever he has an objection to what's written for him.

Writing should feel easy, like a monkey driving a speed boat.
Jul 15 2007 05:43 pm   #22Immortal Beloved

A lot of actresses have clauses in their contract about what they will and will not show on screen or what a body double has to be used for.  Personally, if it were me, I'd one of those clauses, too :-P  I can respect that.  As for teasing, etc., I tease everyone that I care about.  It depends on the relationship dynamic.  I don't have a brother, but all of my close friend's do, and there is A LOT of brother/sister teasing :-)  But I wasn't there during shooting, so I can't speculate about what went on.  However, I will not ever complain that James was unclad ;-)

Give me Spuffy, or give me death.
Jul 15 2007 06:17 pm   #23Guest

If anyone has a specific daily they want, let me know and I'll see if I have it. Since most of the files are too big for regular email, (as I found out while trying to send to Zoe LOL) I'll put it up on yousendit for download. It'll be a lot easier than trying to explain how to download them from youtube.

If you look at any of the dailies or episodes, you might notice that, while James is naked a whole lot (one of his less-pleasant memories of that season)

Ahhh but one of the happiest of mine LOL

Tam/spikeslovebite

Jul 15 2007 08:54 pm   #24chlarkspuffy

I would love to request dailies were I to know which ones are out there. So, let's go by the process of elimination. I have seen the Doublemeat Palace (is that the name of the episode?), Wrecked, DT Balcony (thanks, Tam), Gone kitchen and naked JM ones. So, what am I missing? :-D


ETA: I watched a few more on YouTube - Smashed, Dead Things, and As You Were. :)

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- Zaphod Beeblebrox
Jul 15 2007 08:55 pm   #25Guest

Yes, Sarah has a clause in any contract she signs that she will not do nudity. Absolutely no question of it. Actually, James was the only one of the cast who *didn't* have a nudity clause, and that's why they could put him in the sock so much. He regrets in hindsight that he didn't have any specifics about that drawn up, of course. And yeah, Sarah was really immature about him having to be in the sock all the time. Maybe she thought laughing about it would ease the uncomfortableness of it, but when you laugh *at* someone, not *with* them, it ain't funny. And of course, Teamsters being how they are, all joined in on JM, too.

If it'd been me in place as the star, I would have been trying to make it as easy on my co-star as possible, including telling anyone else in earshot to shut the hell up about it. Sexual harassment isn't funny, whether it's happening to a guy or a girl. I'd even be willing to go as far as being in bra and panties, as long as they were as modest as a bathing suit.

CM

Jul 15 2007 09:23 pm   #26Immortal Beloved

Go here: http://community.livejournal.com/marsters_daily/

There's lots of other stuff, but there are a bunch of dailies on the older posts.

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Jul 15 2007 09:48 pm   #27chlarkspuffy

Thanks, IB, I will check that out. :)

"If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now."

- Zaphod Beeblebrox
Jul 15 2007 10:25 pm   #28ZoeGrace

I'm fairly certain that JM could have stated he wouldn't do nudity/partial nudity.  There are actually rules surrounding these things in the industry.  JM chose to do it because he didn't have big nudity issues.  UNTIL the people on that particular set were so unprofessional about it.  

The level of teasing and unprofessionalism is not what's supposed to go on on set.  As for SMG teasing him, she may have just been trying to lighten things.  She may not have been trying to hurt him.  There's teasing, and then there's teasing.  And often it depends on who it comes from.  If they were friends I'm not sure that it was exactly the same kind, though I'm sure it didn't help.

And sexual harassment is only funny when Sexual Harassment panda is there.  And I never saw a panda.

Jul 15 2007 10:46 pm   #29slaymesoftly

I'm sure you're right, Zoe - and he did say early-on that season that he was comfortable with nudity due to having made his initial stage debut tied naked to a wheel. lol  However, I think the nudity and the atmosphere just contributed to his general unhappiness with what was going on that season.  It's hard to be comfortable when you're the only one and no one is trying to make you comfortable. It was just one more symptom of how he was being used - both by Buffy in the script,  and by the producers/writers.

I'd love to know what really went on in their lives from season IV through VII - I think his story has changed enough over the years that I suspect we don't really know all there is to know.  I always kind of felt that he did have a thing for Sarah, at least for awhile. Or, maybe he just really is that good an actor. lol

I love James, but I wouldn't be surprised if he sometimes gives audiences answers that he thinks they want, or that fit what he would prefer we know about him.  He did lie about his age for quite a while - even though it was perfectly obvious to anyone who read his resume that there was no way he was in his late 20's by the time he got on Buffy.  Of course, I'm always semi out-of-the-loop on his personal life.  At the first con I went to, I was absolutely blown away by how much some of the people knew about him.  Stuff that I wouldn't have imagined.  I guess that there are boards where they pretty much do nothing by tell each other any new tidbits about his life that they have picked up. I think that has made him both more open - in that there's not much point in lying about something if you're going to get caught out; and more careful - in that he has a family to protect and it isn't in his best interest to let his fans know too much about his personal life. (Crazy purple plaid lady, anyone?)

Anyway, I'd like to read/hear what Sarah has to say about her years on Buffy and her co-stars.  I just don't remember ever seeing anything by her about James.  She was asked how it felt to have David back for that scene at the end and she gushed about how wonderful it was "like putting on comfortable old clothes" or something like that.  This, for a guy who's been on another network for years. Anybody remember reading anything about her commenting on the years with Spike?

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I am upper management.
Jul 15 2007 10:52 pm   #30GoldenBuffy

CM haa haa haa ont eh sorry bit. Yeah, I guess the actor whould have to cover both ends. Could you see his co-star being pissed and not taking to him since she didn't get the reaction she wanted from him, lol.

I'm sorta on the fence with the Sara/James teasting. I know for me I joke on the dl, like whisper in their ear, etc, so others can't hear. Then it prevents any bad feeling between us. I mean, yeah in high school I laughed at everyone ROFL.

And there was that one time me and my cousin were running to catch the public bus and she fell into the middle of the street and chipped her front tooth. At the time I think I was 13 I laughed so hard that I cried, my stomach hurt and everything, after she stopped crying I explained to her how it looked to me and she started laughing too, but that was really bad of me. *sigh*

I think I've seen all the dailies on youtube, the one I'm really trying to find is the cut rug scene. I used to have it but not anymore. I would like to see the others that people haven't loaded to youtube. I have a g-mail account as well, if anyone wants it.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Jul 15 2007 10:57 pm   #31GoldenBuffy

You know, I haven't seen anything with her speaking about James or Spike, but i would like too. Do you think they started out on good terms but later on they were not so friendly? I don't know. But then again, I'm not the one to got to many sites to read about the actors and stuff, I just pick up things here and there, you know. Or what you guys tell me, lol.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Jul 15 2007 11:09 pm   #32slaymesoftly

Exactly, GB. I don't haunt sites that talk about the actors, and with show having been off the air for years now, there is no longer anything about them in entertainment magazines as there used to be fairly often.  My gut feeling is that they went through some stages. I know James commented that she was so kind to Juliet and him when they were guests, making sure they had chairs and so forth.  He also said at one point that she told him "I don't take my work home with me" meaning that she didn't socialize with the people she worked with (true, I guess, as I don't recall any of them being invited to her wedding).  And yet, he said somewhere, "we became friends anyway". Have no idea what he meant by that, and have seen no confirmation from her.

Maybe the "I told Joss I had a crush on Sarah just to put the idea into his head of a Spike/Buffy relationship" was a bit of a crock and he really did crush on her during season IV.  Maybe they had a short "thing" (I thought I read that somewhere, a long time ago, but I could be wrong) and she got over it before he did. That would certainly make the next three years a bit awkward.  And, maybe he did eventually come to think of her as a little sister - but I'd sure like to know when that happened...

I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
Jul 16 2007 12:13 am   #33GoldenBuffy

So would I, on the little sister front. I do find that a bit cold though, that she would be "frieldnly" with any of them off the set. But I though I saw a few pics of her and Dawn shopping in RL. Did she say in an interview that she liked spending time with MT, tey would go shopping and stuff? Or maybe that was a dream. *shrugs* If that was the case, maybe something did happened between her and James, it got ugly or a little nasty between them. Guess we'll never really know.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Jul 16 2007 01:16 am   #34JoJoBird

Well sarah and michelle had/have a history before buffy. She brought her in afterall and i think they were "friends/aquaintances" before sarah was old enough for her onset/off set rules. Come to think of it i dont think ive ever heard of "off stage relationships" with others then michelle and david.

I do too find it likely something went on between james and sarah for good and for bad. There is just some vibe there, when its not in front of cameras and acting out rolls. Or maybe since they did go through such a rollercoaster with their characters, the tomultuous relationship left some remnants that you cant help from nestling in and destroying the "feelgood" vibe you like to have with people you work close to.

Jul 16 2007 02:02 am   #35slaymesoftly

Thanks, JoJoBird. I was going to say that Sarah and Michelle had worked together before and they already had a relationship.  Good point that maybe the roller coaster that their characters were on affected they RL relationship. I don't know. Seems possible. Some of their scenes were pretty powerful, and I can see how they might leave some residual feelings - good and bad.

I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
Jul 16 2007 02:04 am   #36GoldenBuffy

I'm trying to think, did Michelle play on AMC too? I'm slow, how did they know each other,lol. Poor me.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Jul 16 2007 02:18 am   #37slaymesoftly

Yes, Michelle was on AMC. Have no idea in what capacity, I just know that they both worked there.  Supposedly, Sarah's treatment there is what made her so conscious of the importance of being nice to the minor players on your show.

I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
Jul 16 2007 02:24 am   #38Scarlet Ibis

 But one question does bother me, when actors do have to act those scenes out do they ever become aroused?

I've heard that in "One Fine Day," (though I've never seen it, and I'm not sure if there's a sex scene in it), George Clooney got aroused over Michelle Pfeiffer to the point of embarassment. 

And TM, please email me any dailies you have when you get the chance to scarletibis24@gmail.com

And, Christina Ricci mentioned that at first she was offended that this guy she did a sex scene with quickly got off of her or something after their sex scene together, claiming to need a shower, and then felt better once the actor clarified it was going to be a *cold* shower.  I think she was referring to someone in "Black Snake Moan," which mean there's a 33% chance she's talking about Justin Timberlake...

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Jul 16 2007 03:40 am   #39Guest

Dead Things dailies

rug-http://www.yousendit.com/download/OGhjc2ZGT003bUEwTVE9PQ

Buffy's bedroom- http://www.yousendit.com/download/OGhjc2ZHSytqY28wTVE9PQ

Door scene (Patti you'll like this one LOL Spike's POV...very hot lol) - http://www.yousendit.com/download/OGhjc2ZBUzg5RlkwTVE9PQ

Ride 'em Cowgirl - http://www.yousendit.com/download/OGhjc2ZBUzhUWUEwTVE9PQ

Tam/spikeslovebite


Jul 16 2007 03:51 am   #40GoldenBuffy

I was thinking maybe it was JT, lol. I still need to rent that movie. Next time I go to the video store.

Yay, thanks for the links Tam.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Jul 16 2007 04:18 am   #41Scarlet Ibis

Yes, thank you Tam :D

And GB- that movie was kick ass, and you must see it..

 

"Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
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Jul 16 2007 04:26 am   #42GoldenBuffy

Believe me it is on my list at number one.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Jul 16 2007 04:28 am   #43ZoeGrace

Black Snake Moan ROCKED!

As for the seeing SMG as a little sister, I've never ever bought that.  If he really did see her as a little sister type, then he should have gotten an Emmy.  I just honestly don't believe you can fake chemistry like that.  Maybe I'm naive, but as I said, human beings were never meant to have fake pretend sex.  Yes, there is a big age difference in him and SMG, but my husband is 12 years older than me so I don't buy that as a reason he automatically saw her as a kid sister.  Though it probably stops the gossip train better than: "we're just friends."  

Although, whether he did or didn't see her as a little sister since it's not really my business, (my business really ends at the characters themselves) then I figure he can tell people whatever he wants.  If I was famous I'd probably give people a bunch of crap information too.  I mean how creepy is it for people to be all in your business like that? ish.

Although I DO think if anyone has an off screen crush on anyone it should be Aly Hannigan.  I've seen Hannigan in other things and I've seen some quite hot lingerie shots, so I wonder exactly why they worked so hard to make her look so frumpy on Buffy?  Especially season 7.  A Cordelia line comes to mind: "Is she just skipping foundation altogether?"  


Jul 16 2007 04:42 am   #44Scarlet Ibis

Cause Willow was the nerd, and had to "look" the part.  But we see her as Vamp Willow and in "Restless" looking sexy.

And, I heard SMG say "Were you fucking my back this time?" to James in the DT dailies.  I wasn't sure what to make of that statement...

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Jul 16 2007 04:51 am   #45ZoeGrace

I think willow season seven was far from "nerd" she was skanky looking.  And it had nothing to do with Aly's real looks. 

As for those dailies...wow, I can't even begin to figure how a kid sister figure says something like that.  To put it another way, can you imagine Dawn and Spike in a play together where he has to play her love interest and she says that? Yeah, me neither.

Jul 16 2007 04:54 am   #46Scarlet Ibis

Oh, I didn't mean it had anything to do with AH's looks- just saying, wardrobing, etc., and Joss had a "look" in mind for each character.

And yeah, sister types don't say that.  I don't think even friend types say that...  She just seemed bitchy.

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Jul 16 2007 04:55 am   #47GoldenBuffy

And, I heard SMG say "Were you fucking my back this time?" to James in the DT dailies.  I wasn't sure what to make of that statement...

I just got done watching that one and I had the same reaction. I didn't know what to think of it. Do you think she was just mkaing light of it? how about were she says, "There's to much sex in the is freaking show."

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Jul 16 2007 04:56 am   #48GoldenBuffy

Scarlet you took the words right out of my mouth. Maybe Freddy was on set, no just kidding, lol.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Jul 16 2007 04:57 am   #49Scarlet Ibis

I get the "too much sex," line, but the were you fucking my back?  Would she prefer her ass?  I mean, how does one respond to that?  To me, I think she was annoyed, but damn, James didn't write the script.

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Jul 16 2007 05:00 am   #50GoldenBuffy

Yeah I know, don't get pissed at the actor. Oh, well.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Jul 16 2007 05:22 am   #51slaymesoftly

Thanks, Tam! and Guh!  Can I be the door?  LOL


Scarlet - I believe what she actually says is "...fuck my back, take "...(some number that I don't remember). She's annoyed, but not at him - just at the number of times they've done the scene.   I don't remember where I saw that version of the dailies - and I don't seem to have it anymore - but that's what I thought I heard.   And then, when the director finally says they don't have to do it anymore, she says the thing about there being too much sex on the show. 

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I am upper management.
Jul 16 2007 05:23 am   #52Scarlet Ibis

I saw that one too.  But on the one that Tam sent... She does say "were you fucking my back this time?"  Check out her link- I think its further up this thread.

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Jul 16 2007 05:30 am   #53chlarkspuffy

Lol, I think I should stick to my policy of staying away from actor gossip. It somehow always serves to detract from the characters and the show when I find out that in RL the actors don't get along or whatever. Also, can't say that I care for any of SMG's comments. Ok, going to abstain from watching dailies....yeah right.:P

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- Zaphod Beeblebrox
Jul 16 2007 05:37 am   #54GoldenBuffy

It somehow always serves to detract from the characters and the show when I find out that in RL the actors don't get along or whatever.

Not with David and Gillian, they couldn't stand each other but on the show you wold never have known. I loved the X Files and I loved them. But I do see your point as well!

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Jul 16 2007 05:38 am   #55Scarlet Ibis

Well, as long as we already kinda gossiped, though I'm sure this isn't new to anyone, I hear that SMG didn't really get along with most of the costars, and that she didn't go the shows rap party...

And, didn't JM say he had fond memories with the cast of Angel, but saying it in such a way that they were much more fun than the Buffy cast.

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Jul 16 2007 05:47 am   #56Guest

Okay, I'm getting a powerful anti-SMG/Buffy vibe based on remarks she  made during the balcony scene, so I'm going to show the other side of the coin. Doublemeat Palace dailies, James and Sarah in the alley. Pay close attention to the end.

http://www.yousendit.com/download/OGhjc2ZPd0FTSUEwTVE9PQ

As for the 'little sister' remarks...Am I the only one that remembers the mass hysteria that ensued when it was revealed how old (or young, rather) James' girlfriend (Patricia? Is he even with her now?) was? Or how about the rumors that Dangerous was written about Michelle T?

Such things could lead one to believe that our little Jimmy likes 'em young and fresh, so I'm not buying the 'like a little sister angle' LOL

Tam/spikeslovebite

Jul 16 2007 05:48 am   #57slaymesoftly

Yep, I just watched that one, and that is what she says. But she doesn't sound peeved, she sounds to me like she's laughing a little bit.  In the one I saw before - which was all close-ups of James whispering in her ear, all you hear is Sarah's voice - she definitely sounds annoyed and I'm sure she says something about the number of takes in which her back is being fucked. Makes you wonder how many times they do those scenes, doesn't it?  And I wonder if other scenes get that same - let's do it a gazillion times treatment? LOL

And as long as we're gossiping, I do remember hearing that she didn't go to the wrap party - which is, IMHO, really tacky.  But you never know what's going on - maybe they all hated each other and Joss by the time the show ended. LOL Seven years is a long time to spend with the same people. :)

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I am upper management.
Jul 16 2007 05:52 am   #58Scarlet Ibis

I really hope that song wasn't about MT... however, the fact that James' like them "young" doesn't bother me in the least- I might just have a fighting chance yet ;)

And I think personally that SMG and DB had a "history" together that started on Buffy, and ended after season 2.  I say that simply because of the way certain scenes were acted out.  Like in s4 in "Something Blue," you can totally tell that they were stage kissing when he says "That's my girl," but with David, sometimes it just made me go "mmhmm.."

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Jul 16 2007 05:55 am   #59chlarkspuffy

I would never have guessed that DD & GA didn't get along! That's interesting. Btw, I didn't mean that it detracts from their acting - just my liking for the couple/character. I can still appreciate the acting if it's good, but for some reason, I have a hard time liking the ship/character(s), if that makes any sense. It's not that I can't separate characters from actors - just that it doesn't fit into my romantic world, lol. 

Re-reading my post, I have to confess, I sound lame. I mean who cares whether the actors get along, right? Lol, I need to stop analysing and get some sleep.

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- Zaphod Beeblebrox
Jul 16 2007 05:56 am   #60slaymesoftly

Yeah, I don't buy that either, Tam.  He likes them young - has all along, so I don't seem him letting her age be an issue.  I just think there's a big (real or perceived) difference between their respective places in the Hollywood hierarchy (sp?) and she was pretty much into being ready to be Mrs. Freddie Prinz by the end of the show.  It's obvious from the dailies of other scenes that she also had a lot of fun with him sometimes.   So I don't think she was unhappy about doing the scenes with him - maybe just tired by then of that one.  There was a lot of powerful stuff packed into that particular episode and I would think that they might have all been a little wrung out by the end of the filming schedule.

Tam, don't you have a picture of everybody at the show's end (or the wrap party?) with Sarah and James standing up in the middle and the other actors clustered around them?  They all looked pretty happy then.  I seem to remember some convos about what it all meant - that just the two of them were standing up or something like that.  


ETA Okay, my laptop is overheating. I think that means it's time for me to go to bed!  Good night, all.

I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
Jul 16 2007 06:10 am   #61chlarkspuffy

Ok, this doesn't concern dailies, but it did strike me as odd when in his interview with Sharon Osbourne JM made that remark about 'kissing Sarah.' I don't know what to make of it, but am leaning towards him being shy about the pics on display, implying that there was something to be shy about. 

On a sidenote, my husband briefly wondered if JM was gay after watching that interview, lol.

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- Zaphod Beeblebrox
Jul 16 2007 06:11 am   #62ZoeGrace

my husband calls him a midget vampire, so husbands cannot be relied upon lol.

Jul 16 2007 06:13 am   #63Scarlet Ibis

Zoe- I got so caught up in the responses, I totally didn't watch your original link till just now... Damn, I wonder if Freddie has seen those.  I'd like to see them without all the damn music.

And the whipered "Sarah," well... that's an awful odd time for a slip up in real name as opposed to character name... But it made me laugh at any rate.

And chlarkspuffy- a lot of friends and family have mocked me for liking JM, and some saying that he looked gay, and I certainly think he doesn't.  I think anyone who says that is smoking, well, something not so kosher, I tell ya that, lol.

And perhaps the hubby was just a tad jealous?

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Jul 16 2007 06:21 am   #64Guest

The most popular reason for SMG not making an appearance at the wrap party was that she had to leave immediately to be on the set of Scooby Doo 2 (tho I myself have to wonder why she even bothered *holds nose* It stunk...'nuff sed!)  We'll never really know, and after so many years since the show ended, I doubt anything new will come to light. Just the same old rumors and endless 'he said/she saids'. We can wonder and speculate till we're blue in the face about what went on behind the scenes and who hated whom- because let's face it, it's fun- but in the end does it really matter?

Tam/spikeslovebite

Patti, it took some searching, but I finally found it! According to my sources, this photo was taken on the last official day of shooting.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/spikeslovebite/btvscastcrew.jpg

Jul 16 2007 06:24 am   #65chlarkspuffy

Scarlet Ibis, I agree - there's absolutely nothing gay about JM/Spike. My hubby and I chalked it up to JM being just so darned boyish and cute during that interview (my words, not my hubby's). It was the first time either one of us had seen JM "the actor" on air, and he is such an antithesis to Spike in some ways.

The hubby is too bloody gorgeous and vain to be jealous of some character on TV. He knows it too, lol. 

ZoeGrace - midget vampire is hilarious, and kinda cute.

"If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now."

- Zaphod Beeblebrox
Jul 16 2007 06:48 am   #66Eowyn315

Am I the only one that remembers the mass hysteria that ensued when it was revealed how old (or young, rather) James' girlfriend (Patricia? Is he even with her now?) was?

Pretty sure he's not with her now... since it sounds like she dumped him in the song "Patricia," lol. And I'm with Scarlet - I have NO problem with him liking them young, because I am, and that makes me that much closer to his type. :) Hey, if he can still attract 20-year-olds, way to go for him. As for "Dangerous" - I remember him saying something like, "Only me and Joss know who this song's about," which is... interesting.

The "fuck my back" comment - do you think perhaps she was annoyed at the anatomical impossibility of that scene? :) Because, when you consider their relative heights, he really *would* have been hitting her somewhere in the small of her back, probably.

Tam - for some reason the video freezes on that DMP alley scene. What are we supposed to be looking for? Is it her giggly squeal at the end, or something I missed?

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Jul 16 2007 06:52 am   #67Scarlet Ibis

E- you may be right about the comment- did she mean it appeared as if Spike were doing her back? Cause when you think about it, to be anatomically correct, he'd have to dip a bit as he lifted her skirt before that first thrust, and she'd have to lean over the rail a bit... And I've clearly put too much thought into this.

God, *please* let that song not be about MT... I remember when I first heard, before these rumors, I thought it was about her... Then another part of me thought I was being damned paranoid, and I told myself to get a grip.  I still hope it wasn't about her...

But damn, could that have something to do with the minimization of the Spike Dawn scenes as well? Oh lord, I *so* don't wanna go there... change the subject, please!

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Jul 16 2007 07:55 am   #68GoldenBuffy

Now i'm thinking about R. Kelly and Aliyyah, lol. They were married and she was like 14 at the time and he was what in his early 30's or late 20's. I don't have a problem, age is nothing but a number. My hubby is almost 6 years older than me.

to be anatomically correct

Bad dirty brain! lol But it makes more sense now.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Jul 16 2007 10:26 am   #69Guest

Yes, he's still with Patricia. He was seen with her just this weekend at a Cardiff Food Festival in Wales. There are a couple pics taken with fans, and she's waiting in the background. If her age is to be believed by some fans that went digging, then she's the youngest James has dated publicly since he was first on the show. Yes, fans have collected pictures of him with his girlfriends at events. They've all looked to be somewhere in their 20s, but as he wasn't quite 40 when he started BTVS, big deal.

He didn't reveal his age on the request of the producers. They knew lots of teen girls crushed on Spike, and they didn't want to turn off those girls by revealing James wasn't 29. He personally doesn't care about his age, and frequently rounds up to his next birthday in talks.

Nope, Sarah didn't socialize with the cast outside of work, except for maybe a couple days out with Michelle, who she knew previously. She seems to be the type that puts her life in compartments. And no, she wasn't at the series wrap party. I think she had to be back to a movie, though I don't know if she would have wanted to stay, either.

There's been all kinds of speculation about who "Dangerous" is about. I think he likes to tease about it just to get people talking. The song itself is harmless.

As for liking Sarah, he admits that he thought about asking her out when he was single at one point, because she was hot, but she was dating someone, and he eventually found someone, too. And he's glad, as relationships at work can lead to bad things. By the time season 6 came along, he'd put her in the sister-friend category. You have to remember that James was a Method actor up to Season 7. He was so into Spike's head, that as Spike was more and more alienated, so James spent more time alone and ate less. He relaized that was a really unhealthy way to go for TV, because of the prolonged character work, got into therapy, and changed how he acted in Season 7.

You know who he went on one date with in Season 4? Mercedes. They went out because of the chemistry they had while working, but found they had absolutely nothing in common, and that was that. There wasn't a lot of BTVS' time, though, that James didn't have a girlfriend.

Yeah, AtS seemed to be a more fun place for him to work, though maybe that was because it was different and new.

Oh, and Freddy is part of why there were issues with SMG in 6 and 7. He butted his nose in to her work, saying she should get what she wants, deserves blah, blah, blah. Nice to have a supportive hubby, but he really made an ass of himself with her fans.

Caro Mio

Jul 16 2007 10:30 am   #70Guest

The minimization of the Spike/Dawn scenes was a Marti Noxon decision, because Michelle was growing into looking more like a woman, and they didn't want those scenes to potentially look inappropriate, like Spike's some geezer lusting after teens.....*massive eye roll*  I've seen plenty of pictures of candid James and Michelle, and there wasn't any chemistry there beyond friends/siblings. It's just a cop-out to keep Spike with Buffy only in the story.

CM

Jul 16 2007 10:38 am   #71Guest

RE: the Sharon Osbourne interview - James was uncomfortable with having to sign pic after pic of Spike kissing Buffy, cuz when he sees the pics, it's him kissing his friend Sarah. So it's just......weird. Like if you did a play with your best guy friend who you had to kiss in the role, and fans had you sign it and gushed about your characters, blah, blah, blah......while you're thinking "Hey, that guy's like my brother!" It's just weird.

Also, before Spike kissed Buffy, James got comments on "Your acting is great on that show". After, it was always "How was it to kiss Sarah?" and "You're hot!!!"  That would get old really fast, wouldn't it.....to have all the focus suddenly go superficial and stay there.

CM

Jul 16 2007 05:43 pm   #72slaymesoftly

Thanks, Tam. I didn't mean to make you go hunting. lol  I just thought I remembered that you had that pic. Thanks for taking the time to find it. :)

CM - you are officially our source of all things James. LOL Some of that stuff was familiar to me, and some was brand new.  I did think he said some things at Fangoria that indicated he was still with Patricia, so that wasn't a surprise.  As far as his age goes, he used to have something on his site (I think) about how when he came to Hollywood looking for work he noticed that no beginning (in the sense of being new to HW) actors were ever older than 29, so he decided that's what he would say he was.  *shrugs* I can also see the producers thinking it was a good idea not to turn off the younger fans, though.  I think he did a lot of things, especially during those early years, that were meant to help him keep that demographic happy.  Of course, as someone old enough to be his mother, I'm much happier when he is acting and looking his real age. It makes me feel much less like a perv...ROFL

An excellent observation of how a serious actor might feel about being recognized for his abs rather than his art.  I think, as would any normal person, he was pretty flattered at first to find himself a sex object to so many women. And he played with it quite a bit.  But, it did get old - especially after all the season VI stuff - and he became less accommodating about exploiting his "sex appeal".  I remember reading a report of a con Q and A years ago where a shout from the audience asked him to take off his shirt. (this was during season VI, I think, when we were all hoping for more naked Spike in every episode. lol) He singled out the shouter and asked her to take off hers (which she did, and then whatever else he asked - her bra, too, I think). He relented eventually, as she was clearly embarrassed, and hugged her and told her that she was a good sport. But he had definitely made his point to everyone in that audience. I'm sure he doesn't mind the female attention (uh, cause, duh!), but I think he would prefer to be known as a good actor.

He dates younger women because he can.  It's probably as simple as that. Good-looking guys in their 40's, especially those with a bit of money and fame, can attract girls in their 20's.  So, with a few, very rare exceptions, that's who they date. The older I get, the yuckier it seems, but that's life in the real world.  It probably also seems shudder-worthy to me because when I was that age I thought older guys who wanted to date me were all pervs. lol (Married pervs, in most cases)  With a few, very rare (actor) exceptions, I was so uninterested in anyone more than a few years old than me that I just cannot identify with being young and pretty and not wanting to date other young, pretty people. LOL

Um - re James and Michelle? That would be icky.  By the time she was on the show, he was pushing 40, if not already there - and that would just make my skin crawl.  As does the song, "Dangerous", BTW. Heard it once and went, "oh, yuck! " I tried to tell myself that it wasn't aimed at a particular person (although Sarah would have been my guess, not Michelle),  but was just James rather cynically writing something that would appeal to all the teeny-boppers who were crushing on him. And, yes, I do have a slightly jaundiced view of the world...lol

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I am upper management.
Jul 16 2007 06:48 pm   #73JoJoBird

wait a second, isnt r.kelly the guy who likes to pee on girls, underage girls even?

or was that ll.cool.j , man i mix my perverted rappers up sometimes. silly me lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZjTqfA4xNI  "i wanna piss on youuuu"

Its doo doo butter babe!

Jul 16 2007 07:33 pm   #74Scarlet Ibis

Slayme- come to think of it "Dangerous" could be purely fictional.  As a creative person (as James is), coming up with something for pure entertainment isn't all that hard, especially considering he's a method actor.  The guy lives a large fraction of his life anyway in the imaginary world.  Yes- he wrote it from someone else's POV.  Maybe even Spike's, which would make the Joss comment make all that more sense.  I'm sure at some point the Spawn aspect crossed a few minds on set, even if it was just a flight of fancy.

Yes- this idea comforts me all that much more.

Oh, and even if James was pushing forty at the time, I still wouldn't care, cause if that had been me, I'd have been the same age as MT, and at the time, I was fully aware of his age.  I just can't view him as pervy.

JoJo- it's R Kelly (who's an R&B singer ;)

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Jul 16 2007 08:34 pm   #75Eowyn315

He singled out the shouter and asked her to take off hers (which she did, and then whatever else he asked - her bra, too, I think). He relented eventually, as she was clearly embarrassed, and hugged her and told her that she was a good sport.

I remember reading about that... it caused kind of a big thing afterwards, didn't it? Like, people thought he was a jerk for making her do it, and he had to explain that he didn't really expect her to take off her shirt - he was trying to demonstrate how embarrassing it is to be asked to strip in public, but clearly he underestimated his ability to get women to take their clothes off. Someone flashed him at the Crazy Donkey show, so he obviously doesn't even need to ask anymore. :) (No, it wasn't me.)

I always thought Dangerous was more of a Spike/Dawn song than James/Michelle... which would explain why Joss knows. I don't think many of his songs are "purely fictional" though. Most of them are personal, I think, and a few drawn from other people's stories (This Town, for one).

Maybe it's because he looks young for his age, but for some reason I don't think it's pervy that he dates younger women. (Or maybe it's just that I like being in his age bracket of interest, lol.) But if it were most older guys... yeah, it'd be weird. I think if any other 40+ year old guy started flirting with me or something, I'd be creeped out. I will admit, though, it's a little bit of a put-off knowing I'm closer in age to James' kids than I am to him...

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Jul 16 2007 10:34 pm   #76JoJoBird

when did she get beautiful *eyebuldge*

http://delivery.viewimages.com/xv/73948728.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1932BBB80AB57C9760229D749A4AAEBD8CBAEEC097DA74FCE5B

almost fred warning http://farm1.static.flickr.com/145/389424666_00e9a62c41_o.jpg

Jul 16 2007 11:03 pm   #77Guest

Yeah, the girl at first just flipped her top up and down - quick flash of the bra, and James said "Hey, you gotta go all the way off with the shirt if you're going to ask." So she took off her bra. He was very surprised she went that far, and apologzed immediately if there were any kids in the audience. But yeah, he really got treated like a piece of meat back then. It's when he started saying "I don't take my shirt off unless I'm getting paid."

See, I always saw the lyrics of "Dangerous" as the older guy not so much *wanting* the young girl, as realizing, seeing that "man, she's going to be a stunner", and just really getting how much she's going to knock guys off their feet with her natural beauty, without her even realizing it. For example: my boyfriend works with a woman who has a tween daughter that's quite beautiful already....He has no interest in her sexually at all, but as she grows up, he's constantly noticed how her mom is going to need a shotgun to beat the boys off when she's of age.

I've been studying at the "James Academy" since OMWF and active in the James side since 2003, so......... yeah, I know a lot. :D  I have a memory for details, and it's like an encyclopedia in here. :P

CM

Jul 16 2007 11:05 pm   #78Guest

And yeah, JoJo - Michelle has grown up to be a gorgeous young woman. I've seen very close up pictures, and her skin is amazing.

Jul 17 2007 12:24 am   #79slaymesoftly

Hee! I didn't mean to say that James was a perv because he likes younger women - that just makes him male. (alas).  I was talking about my reaction when I was in my late teens/early twenties to being hit on by men that age.

As a mother of a now-adult daughter and someone who works with pre-teens and young teens everyday, though - I have to say that any suggestion of a fully adult man with an adolescent girl gives me the creeps. Don't care if she's Lolita - he's the adult and is supposed to be able to make good decisions.  And that would include Spike - as much as I love him. It's why I can't stomach Spawn except in very small doses.  I've read a few that were very good and very believable - and still left me feeling like I needed a shower.  Just freaks me out.  *retires to little old lady closet and mumbles about 'kids today'*

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I am upper management.
Jul 17 2007 10:37 am   #80GoldenBuffy

Yes JoJo, R. Kelly likes peeing on girls. God I love Dave and his piss on you song ROFL.

AS for the age thing, I don't know I guess I don't have a problem with it since the majority of my friends dated older biys/guys growing up. I really didn't date so I left that to them. My only turn off was when my bf started to date her teacher (I forgot who was on the tag board with me whe I talked about it before), and he treated her like a dog. She got pregnant, not only did he break up with her he got transfered to a new school. And my other bf dated a dude who was 29 and she was 13 at the time, I won't even get into what they did.

It's funny how James' brain shut down when the woman took off her bra. Typical male response, "boobies".

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Jul 17 2007 11:38 pm   #81slaymesoftly

See, GB - IMHO, they weren't "dating" older guys, they were being preyed upon.  Your friend and the teacher may have been close enough in age that it would have been OK once she was no longer a student (you didn't say how old the teacher was - and I can't believe he wasn't fired). The 29 year old "dating" a 13 year old is just exploitation - and where the hell were her parents?

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I am upper management.
Jul 17 2007 11:48 pm   #82Scarlet Ibis

I don't know you guys.. I think age of consent should be lowered.  These girls today are so damn fast (I don't get it at all, but I've accepted it).  If a fifteen year old wants to have sex, be it with an older teen or an older man, she'll find a way to do it, and it probably wouldn't even be hard. *shrugs shoulders*

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Jul 18 2007 01:52 am   #83GoldenBuffy

Slayme to answer your second question first. Her parents were around, but she made ways to be with the 29 year old. He had a car so it was easy to set times for them to meet etc. She also looked older than she actually was, if I remember correctly he thought she was 17. But after meeting me he should have put two and two together. At the time I wanted to tell me mom but decided not to since she was happy. I don't think he took advantage of her, since she was already sexually active. She had started having sex at 10 and by the time they had started dating she had already been with four other guys.

AS for my other friend, the teacher at the time was 27 and she was 16. I'm sure if students knew that they were dating then at least a few of the teachers had to have known. But as far as him leaving, it was all him not the school since he left to teach at the other high school right up the hill from our school. You know come to think of it there was a lot of teacher/student crushing going on back then.  I never took it as far as my friend did but I did get one teacher's home phone number.

Scarlet I don't know what the legal age of consent is here in PA, I do know that a girl can get married at 14 with her parents permission. See here goes another friend of mine, but her mom let her date her ex boyfriend who was 14 or 15when they started to go out and she was only 11. But if the girl orboy wants to get wit someone no matter what the age is they will find a way to do it. Unless the parents lock them away in a tower lol. But I doubt many would do that.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along