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Garlic

Sep 05 2007 08:59 pm   #1goldenusagi

We see Buffy deck her room out with garlic when she's worried about Angelus.  But do we ever actually see garlic used against a vampire?  Or one's reaction to garlic?  

It just seems like for something that was introduced into the vampire lore of the Buffyverse, it isn't used very much.

Sep 05 2007 11:35 pm   #2Verity Watson
I'm fairly certain Spike *eats* garlic - or at least, lots of things like hot wings that would likely have garlic or garlic powder in them. That's either an intentional funny on the part of the writers, or one of those lapses in continuity of which we are so fond. :)

But the garlic/vampire connection runs deep - here's my favorite bit of trivia on the subject from Wikipedia's page on garlic: Garlic has been regarded as a force for both good and evil. A Christian myth considers that after Satan left the Garden of Eden, garlic arose in his left footprint, and onion in the right.

What that has to do with warding off the fanged, hard to say, but here's the full article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garlic.
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Sep 06 2007 12:45 am   #3slaymesoftly

Here's my hypothesis - since garlic (and brewers yeast, but it never made vampire lore) is often used, somewhat successfully, to deter ticks and fleas, my guess is that back in the day people assumed that this common folk remedy for bloodsucking critters would also work on vampires.  :)

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Sep 06 2007 01:19 am   #4Scarlet Ibis

Buffy also attempts to use it to keep Spike away in s6.  But she's still in denial by the time "Gone" comes around, and we don't see the garlic in her room the next day or so.  Yeah, I'm thinking it doesn't work on vamps, and pretty much makes any human that uses it for the purpose of warding off vamps look mighty ridiculous.

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Sep 06 2007 02:40 am   #5Eowyn315

I don't remember Buffy using it to ward off Angelus - just Spike. My interpretation was that it was an irrational thing on her part, used more for the visual of Buffy's desire to keep Spike out than any actual protection. I mean, if she *really* wanted to keep him out of her room, she'd have done the de-invite spell and kept him out of the whole house! Since we never see her use it in combat against vamps (come on, throwing garlic bulbs like baseballs? that'd be funny!), I don't think it's really supposed to be part of the Jossverse vampire lore.

Here's my theory - people use it to ward off vampires, figuring that it'll make them smell bad enough that the vampires won't want to eat them. No mystical properties necessary.

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Sep 06 2007 03:06 am   #6GoldenBuffy

I just deleted my pics of Buffy's room with the garlic on my photobucket account. But if you go to screen cap paradise and look under season two, you'll see her bedroom shots with her and Willow sitting on her bed with the garlic hanging above them.

I find it truly funny that the vampire slayer would use something to keep the vamps away that didn't work. She really did need that handbook huh? But then again, if she did have it and read it, then she might not have lasted as long as she did.

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Sep 06 2007 03:45 am   #7JoJoBird

I think either Angel or Spike, maybe both said it just smells very strongly and badly, something like that, and isnt any more of a repellant then that.

Buffy not knowing better and falling onto her movie-vampire knowledge doesnt mean it introduces garlic into the buffyverse lore. It was buffy freaking out i mean "it couldnt hurt". Clear movie reference meant to make us sigh and shake our heads at buffy.

Silly silly girl!!! :D

Sep 06 2007 11:00 pm   #8cereza

I agree with JoJoBird. I always imagined that vampires hate garlic because of their enchanted senses. I mean, it smells bad for a normal person. For someone with super nose it has to be awful.

I'm fairly certain Spike *eats* garlic - or at least, lots of things like hot wings that would likely have garlic or garlic powder in them. That's either an intentional funny on the part of the writers, or one of those lapses in continuity of which we are so fond. :)

Oh, yeah, it's absolutely hilarious, thinking of Spike eating, dunno, pizza or tacos with garlic souse and people (or Angel) telling him he shouldn't...

Sorry. My private fantasy here :)

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Sep 08 2007 02:44 am   #9ghost writer

does anybody actually know what garlic is supposed to do to vampires?  i've never come across an explanation of what it does.

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Sep 08 2007 02:48 am   #10JoJoBird

Vamps in the buffy universe? nothing more then an eye sting and a headache from the strong smell?

In the movies in our world/buffys world? what ive seen a lot like holy water, it makes them sizzle and burn, whilst holywater acts like acid for vamps garlic is like a pan thats been over the fire for some time and is glowing hot. Nasty burns. Just like crosses

I know in blade, esscence of garlic keeps him from the blood lust when injected. And i think ive seen a movie where its been used as 'warding' like you would use talismans and so on.

Sep 08 2007 03:22 am   #11Unbridled_Brunette

In Bram Stoker's Dracula, I think that garlic was merely used as a deterrent. It didn't hurt the vamps, but they didn't want to come close to it because of the smell. When Van Helsing killed Lucy, he first staked her, then cut off her head and filled her mouth with garlic to keep her from rising again. That's how I remember it, anyway; but I haven't read that book in a loooong time, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. :)

 

 

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Sep 08 2007 03:33 am   #12JoJoBird

In bram stokers dracula the movie from the early 90's i always got the feeling it was used for warding him off. And it had to be removed in order for him to enter her room and get to her in her bed. Dont think it was smell so much as like a ummm oniony talisman :D .. in the book i dunno

Sep 08 2007 07:22 am   #13GoldenBuffy

Well I love garlic. I'm strange, I know. But I will sit and just sniff freshly chopped garlic, and I put it in everything that I can. I LOVE garlic, lol.

Maybe Spike adapted to the smell of it since he does eat many foods that contain it.

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Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
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Sep 11 2007 02:13 am   #14Spikez_tart

Garlic was mentioned in S1, The Harvest, although I don't remember anyone actually using it on a vampire.  (Maybe the source of Drusilla's 'illness'?)

XANDER: Okay, so, crosses, garlic, stake through the heart.

BUFFY: That'll get it done.

 

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