Victims Of Fate by ya_lublyu_tebya
Chapter: Myth

All4Spike
06/10/2008 10:50 pm
Glad to see Spike giving them all food for thought about just how devious Angel was in describing the difference between his souled and unsouled states.

05/30/2008 03:26 am
of course the poof had to appear, i wanted  to hear her answer. very good read, thank you.

05/28/2008 08:45 am

Wonderful discussion regarding the transformation with being en-souled - hope you will get back to the subject again during the story.  Considering how vital this having of a soul was in the series,  I always wished that more discussion was given to the theme in the series. 

Great to have another update - looking with great interesting to the next encounter between Angel and Buffy.

It's going to be an encounter to remember, I promise. Thanks for reading!

Pin
05/28/2008 08:34 am
Wouldn't you know it - Angel always pops up when you dont' want him.  Looking forward to seeing if Buffy reacts to Spikes statements about the soul and the person.
He does... but I think you might enjoy what happens in the next chapter. Thanks for reading.

05/28/2008 04:44 am
I love that Spike clarified for them what exactly having a soul did for him, and all the things it didn't do.  I'm glad Buffy was letting him know that she doesn't want him to leave, as he seems to be fitting in with the Summers clan very well.
It had to be done - after all the rubbish Angel spouted, or at least never contradicted. And yep, who would want their very own house-Spike to leave?! :-) Thanks for reading. 

05/28/2008 02:30 am
I'm glad Spike is starting to be accepted by the gang. Then again, he's steadier.
Just by his presence Angel could mess up the moving parts on a rock. I never got their belief in the difference between Angel and Angelus myself. Yeah, people change--especially if they have decades to do so. Having change forcibly imposed from an outside source is something completely different. It's more of a "I'm sorry I got caught and if you weren't watching I'd do it again" rather than "I'm sorry I did evil things and will try to atone". Truthfully, the serial killer on parole quote always seemed to apply more to him, since the soul was never what you would call firmly anchored.

Definitely the best thing to describe Angel's behaviour - the least bit. And well, all of what you said. I think the fact that he's not a romantic interest (not yet anyway :-) ) makes it easier for the Scoobies to accept him as well. And, I always thought they kind of followed Buffy's lead with some people and if she's being nice to Spike, they may well join in to a certain extent.

Thanks for reading!

05/28/2008 01:15 am
OH what a tasty chapter!  Giles really should have been like this on the show.....he should have been intrigued by Spike all along even before the chip and soul as he exhibited characteristics that put the Council dogma in question from the time he made his truce with Buffy.

You have hit on one of the major reasons why Spike was able to "adjust" to the soul so "quickly" in canon.....unlike Angel he never sought to seperate behavior.  He was Spike and the soul may have caused him to see things a bit differently, perhaps even make some choices a bit easier to understand but the being was the same.  Angel liked to be seperate beings...Liam, Angelus and Angel and his behavior was as fractured as that perception.  It may have helped him to deal with the evil he had done but it was a lie and Spike never fell to that at all.

Love the way the Scoobies are more willing togive Spike a chance...they, like Buffy, had Angel issues in canon that made Spike have to "pay" for the leftover feelings Angel left in his wake.  They are more open to giving him a chance at this point.

LOVE this and it is worth every nomination.  I really hope you win!

Kathleen
Go me! :-) Angel always liked to make things easier by separating everything up but Spike was never that kind of person. He's far too straightforward to bother trying to hide from his past. So I believe anyway...

Thank you! I'm just happy to be nominated, and alongside so many brilliant fics that I love. It's great! :-) As always, thank you for reading and for leaving lovely reviews!

05/27/2008 11:06 pm

The Giles' conversation with Spike was so well done, you've really caught their characters.  The small changes in Spike and Buffy's glimmer of realisation were very subtle.   Then Angel appears at exactly the wrong moment!!!  Excellent chapter.

Doesn't he always? But fear not- he will be gone soon! Glad you liked.

crazyinseattle
05/27/2008 09:59 pm
So ever since Angel and his whole moment of true happiness was sex....I thought...wow that is so....ridiculous. I mean...I'm not saying that isn't a great moment or anything but to me the happiest moment shouldn't have been that...it should have been something WAY WAY more meaningful. For example...when Buffy tells him she loves him for the first time.

Which is why that made me think what Spike would have as his happy moment and the only thing that makes sense would be when someone he loves tells him that they loves him...because....well I think that would be Spike's moment of true happiness. He was never loved no matter how much he loved. So yah. That is my thought. Haha. If he had been cursed with a soul...no matter how much he had sex with the person he loved...his moment of true happiness would have been when Buffy told him that she loved him. Thankfully(well not really because I also believe the soul didn't change him...only his view of harm and evil-ness) he wasn't cursed with one he WON himself a soul.

So yah. I've been thinking about that these last couple of chapters.
Wow, now you've given ME a lot to think about :-) I always just kinda thought maybe 'perfect happiness' was you know, code for sex with someone you loved. But yeah, I guess if you just take it as 'perfect happiness' in whatever form it could have a whole load of ramifications.

Anyway, thanks for reading (and for giving me plenty of food for thought as I continue with this fic).

05/27/2008 09:11 pm
arghh Poo Angel. 

Loved what Spike got to syay

anon462
05/27/2008 07:29 pm

No Memory??? That college ass DID slip her a roofie. Good thing Spike got her out of there or she would have woken up with more than a slight headache. Wonder if Spike knew what had happened? Hey! Wait! If Spike figured out what happened, did he go back to the Bronze to have a "talk" with the college guy? Is that what he meant when he said his night was "entertaining"?

Things seemed to go pretty well with the Scoobies and I really liked Spikes talk with Giles. Have to think he opened a few eyes when he told them that Angel was a myth, that he really wasn't two separate personalities, that he was Liam, with a bit more sense. But that also means that he's Angelus too, just like William is Spike.

Ah, the Stalker is back. Can't wait to see what happens next, should be very interesting. :) 

Didn't mean to imply that Todd had spiked her drink. Meant to blame the alcohol for blotting out the bit where she admitted to Spike that she had dreams about kissing him etc. And Spike's "entertaining" was again referring back to her admissions and her drunkenness. Wouldn't usually force an interpretation but Todd might make a re-appearance and I wouldn't want you think he was a stalker, scary type. :-D Or much anyway...

Thanks for reading and I'm glad you liked.

mark Evans
05/27/2008 06:28 pm
Thanks for another great chapter :D .  I love Spike's explanation of how the soul adds to his personality.  I can't wait for the next chapter.
Thank you very much. Glad you enjoyed.

IT
05/27/2008 06:16 pm
The 'bloody pillock,' as Spike calls him just had to ruin the moment, didn't he?!  I hope Buffy uses her new-found vamp/human/soul knowledge, and her growing anger towards Angel, to put him in his place!

The interaction between Giles and Spike is interesting.  I've always had the feeling that if Giles got over his vamp predjudice toward Spike, they would get along quite well.  They are both intensly curious academics, looking for a collegue.  It will be interesting to see how much Rupert wants to get to know William. 

Thanks for the update.
He has kind of ruined the moment, and he's not going to make it much better... But I won't give too much away. :-) Yeah, I think Giles and Spike are secretly kindred spirits- you do see glimpses of it sometimes (when they set off to fight Glory and quote the same thing).

Thanks for reading.