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Dec 07 2006 11:27 pm   #1Guest

As you may already know, Joss is working on a set of comics for a season 8 of Buffy.  Today there's an interview with Joss in TV Guide: http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Interviews-Features/Article/default.aspx?posting={0C084F89-5673-43B9-9FFC-022578DAA927}

Anyway, the big scoop is that at the bottom of the article, we get links to four of the pages for the upcoming comic book -- and (STOP HERE IF YOU DON'T WANT A SPOILER)

We learn that yes, indeed, that was NOT Buffy in Rome with the Immortal.  She was a decoy cause Buffy is in the thick of things.  So no retirement, no normal life.  For me this is a big relief... hated the idea of Buffy shrugging off Spike's death to go party with the Immortal.  And if she's in the middle of heavy action, well, it opens up a lot of interesting story lines.

Just wanted to give a heads up -- and I'm curious what others think.

Dec 08 2006 01:22 am   #2Shadow

Me want

Tahlmorra lujhalla mei wiccan, cheysu.
Dec 08 2006 02:23 am   #3slaymesoftly

 And, did you catch the bits of dialogue that were visible - in which Buffy says she still has her demons?  We can only hope we know what she means by that....

I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
Dec 08 2006 02:23 am   #4GoldenBuffy

So this says a bit more. The interview with Joss in Entertainment Weekly, said he'd have Spike and Angel do guest apparances. Since they are owned by another comic, and they have their own story lines going on. Not sure if Joss will start something between Buffy and Spike. But a girl can dream can't she?*g*

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Dec 08 2006 02:29 am   #5Spikes Slayer2

wow... thats cool

didnt someone here have a story about buffy not being the real buffy in rome? lol thats kinda funny in a way :D

"If i lay here; if i just lay here, would you lie with me and just forget the world?" - snow patrol
Dec 08 2006 02:47 am   #6GoldenBuffy

Ok, is happy about this.

TVGuide.com: And Spike? Everyone wants Spike.
Whedon:
I do have plans for Spike, but the Angel franchise to which Spike defected is in fact owned by another comic-book company, so all that has to be worked out.... And is indeed being worked out.

So maybe Joss won't leave us hanging. Now my only fear is, will he give Buffy and Spike their happy ending? God, I hope so. That's funny the title of the comic and the title to a fic I'm working on are the same. *giggles*

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Dec 08 2006 03:04 am   #7Guest

Dang it, now I'm curious, even though that picture from the comic has me saying WTH. Buffy with a futuristic looking gun, parachuting out of a helicopter? That's not a Buffy of 2004.

A decoy? Wouldn't there still be reports of her elsewhere? Unless they're traveling to other dimensions......And how well could the Council be running again, when most of their people were killed or blown up?

Joss worries me at times.....

CM

Dec 08 2006 03:14 am   #8Guest

 I don't know if I need a happy Spuffy ending.  Could imagine she's off in this big epic battle, and he's been turned in the wrong direction by the decoy.  That's a tragic ending -- but one that still honors the huge romantic connection between them.  TGIQ put a big damper on the idea that Spike is The Guy for her -- so I'm glad to see Joss knock out TGIQ on page 4 of the first comic he puts out.  And, of course, this move does create room for a happy Spuffy outcome, if Joss wanted to go that way.  (But he doesn't like happy outcomes; so for me the big issue is what sort of unhappy outcome do I want, and the tragedy of fate keeping them apart is one I can live with).

I wasn't excited about these comics before, but now I am.  Andrew looks much dicier.  If he's in cahoots with Giles there could be more stuff on Giles' betrayal of Buffy.  If 500 of the 1800 slayers are working for "us", we need to wonder about the other 1300.  Looks like lots of room for epic battles, intrigues, and a crazy world that might keep Buffy and Spike apart, but not just because Spike never meant that much to Buffy.

Maggie (but not the one who's registered here)

Dec 08 2006 04:59 am   #9anaunthe

Okay, what's up with Joss saying that James "defected" to join the cast of Angel?  Buffy was already over... Am I detecting some antipathy here, or am I just reading into things?  Judging by the pics, doesn't look like relationships are going to be the strong suit in this series, love hate or otherwise.

Cas

Cas
Dec 08 2006 08:59 am   #10GoldenBuffy

Dammit, I want a freakin happy ending,lol. But yes, I know Joss is not big on them. I would at least like to see closuer between the two if nothing else. Since Spike is with Angel. But now I'm confused 'cause Joss said that after NFA Angel loses his left arm and Spike gets Shanshud(sp). So if their both still demons, do we not take what he said to heart, or was Spike turned again? Questions, questions, and more questions. *sigh* I still want them together. Oh well. That's why we have fanfic we can fix all the wrongs that are canon, even future canon,lol.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Dec 08 2006 05:39 pm   #11The Space Between

March 2007 seems too long to wait dammit! ><

They sooooo need to fix this up. Buffy and her Slayers look too Initiative-ish with the helicopter jumping and the weaponry. It looks more futuuristic than the supposed 'couple months later'.

And I so want Spike and Buffy to have their happy ending. Its bad enough we all felt robbed with the way Buffy ended and then hoping for answers we look towards AtS and are left with even more questions with their ending. Its bloody ridiculous! The bait and hook routine gets old after while. I understand leaving it open the way they did left room for them to come back like they kinda are now, but if they don't go beyond season 8, they better get all the loose ends tied and and all the questions answered.

 

*steps off the rant box*

~*~ The Powers offer no sympathy for the way things are...Human deeds are left in human hands. It's what one does with what's left that makes any difference ~*~ Jenny Calander as created by HollyDB
Dec 09 2006 12:17 am   #12slaymesoftly

 Hee - get real, people. Joss is never going to let anyone have a happy ending. Not one that lasts for more than a few days, anyway.  He just doesn't do that.  He'll let his heros win the battle - but happy romantic relationships? Not so much.  It will be fun to see how many, if any, loose ends he ties up - and how many more he opens up and leaves dangling.  I suspect he isn't going to resolve anything romantically because he wants to keep all the fans interested.  He won't want to piss of the Bangels, or the Spuffies, so my guess is, he'll come up with some reason why nothing is really resolved except temporarily.  We'll see....

I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
Dec 09 2006 10:17 am   #13GoldenBuffy

Well the Bangels will just have to get freakin pissed the hell off, ROFL. I have nothing against them, I'm a Bangel girl myself, well back int eh day say 98, but still. I want my SPUFFY. Need I scream it from the roof top and paint it across the sky??? Ok, I so need sleep. I say we go Jossnap him, brain wash him, then have Joss do the comic our way. *looks around room* Crazy lady is now going to bed. Good night all.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Dec 09 2006 11:23 pm   #14ZoeGrace

I've pretty much made peace with the fact that canon spike and buffy can't be together.  It's just never going to work out.  And if it did...really? in books or comics? who cares?  If it's not happening on TV or the big screen, IMO it's no more valid than any of the fanfic we already have that gets them together.

Of course I've always been of the opinion that all fictional realities are equally real.  Canon isn't "more real" or true than my story or your story, so maybe that's why I could care less one way or the other if "canon" spike and buffy get together.  I've already seen them get together happily ever after hundreds of times in fanfic.

Dec 10 2006 12:53 am   #15GoldenBuffy

Yeah, but I want Joss to write it. So then all those Bangel loves can shut up about them being soul mates and crap. But hey we write it ( Spuffy ever after) so its cool.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Dec 11 2006 03:10 am   #16Immortal Beloved
Woo Hoo! Yes! Yes! YES! When I saw decoyBuffy dancing with the Immortal, I just thought: "Why would she be with just any morally ambiguous immortal guy, when should could be with the right morally ambiguous guy?" It just didn't make any sense. Glad that Joss wasn't as crazy that made him look.
Give me Spuffy, or give me death.
Dec 11 2006 03:10 am   #17Spikez_tart

to hell with Joss.  We write Spuffy the way it's meant to be.  Kinky as hell and happy endings.  Sometimes.

If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Dec 11 2006 03:27 am   #18Guest

Yeah, I just don't find it as real on print, either. 

Besides, Joss already said that Spike was Buffy's true love, after the show ended. That's enough for me to imagine on, and enough for me to write about it.

A decoyBuffy is fine, if she's supposed to know that Angel has been having her followed, but I don't want her off on missions that make no sense instead. Got bored leaving Slaying behind? Cool, go fight evil. But don't give her futuristic toys and crap.....totally wrong time period/situation.

If Joss mentions Spike at all in these comics and yet, doesn't show Buffy caring? That'll be a crime, since it's not even sticking to canon. She definitely cared in Season 7. Even chose Spike over everybody else tugging at her (except the Angel kiss). Finally let her grow up, Joss.

CM

Dec 11 2006 01:43 pm   #19GoldenBuffy

Forget the comic. If Joss said Spike was Buffy's true love (which is true), I'll take that and run with it. Cause we all know she'll most likely be swimming in the river nile in the comic. Joss sucks,lol.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Dec 11 2006 04:14 pm   #20ZoeGrace

Joss could have said Riley was Buffy's one true love and it still wouldn't make any other story written about Spuffy any less valid or "real" from a fictional standpoint.  all fictional realities are equally real.  If they take you to the place and immerse you in the story, they exist.

I mean we all understand that the show isn't really "real real" right?  Just making sure.

Dec 11 2006 05:41 pm   #21Guest

It's not? OMG!

CM

Dec 11 2006 06:13 pm   #22ZoeGrace

bwahahahahahaha

Should I have broken it to you more gently? ;)

Dec 11 2006 08:27 pm   #23GoldenBuffy

WTF? Zoe, what do you mean? Are you trying to tell me something?

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Dec 11 2006 10:28 pm   #24ZoeGrace

hehe.  GoldenBuffy, 

You might want to sit down for this.  Here, have a glass of water too, with lemon. mmmmm refreshing yes?

Okay, now this isn't easy for me but...I think you should know...Buffy and Spike aren't real.  ;) 

:P

Dec 13 2006 09:32 pm   #25GoldenBuffy

*shudders* NO, blasphemy. How dare you. ROFL. The lemon helped.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Dec 13 2006 10:05 pm   #26ZoeGrace

I knew it would ;)

Dec 18 2006 07:50 pm   #27Dihcar
QOUTE"Besides, Joss already said that Spike was Buffy's true love, after the show ended."

To the person that said this, did he really say this quote?  I do remember Joss saying that Buffy meant the "I love you".

On topic, i'm mixed between my feelings for this comic.  Very cool that it wasn't really Buffy in Rome, cus sleeping with another nemesis of Spike would almost make certain of a future Spuffy.  On the otherhand, these comics will mostly be about Buffy + the scoobies, who i'm not really a fan of.  I hope that Buffy is more mature now and doesn't let them lead her life anymore.  I would really like it for SPike to rejoin the Buffy side, simply because he did have his place there.  He was her poweful second in command in the biggest fight of her life, and the rock she depended on when everybody else had betrayed her.

Sadly it still seems that Joss is unwilling to destroy that disgusting triangle of Buffy/Spike and Angel, come on, there has to be more Spuffy fans then bangel.  I just hated how they brought angel back on to the scene when that relationship had long ago ended, and both had moved on.

Spike/Fray=The future
Dec 18 2006 08:32 pm   #28Guest

He did, I just don't remember where anymore. But it was from Joss.

Caro Mio

Dec 18 2006 10:31 pm   #29Guest

>>On the otherhand, these comics will mostly be about Buffy + the scoobies, who i'm not really a fan of.  I hope that Buffy is more mature now and doesn't let them lead her life anymore.<<

Admittedly, the TV guide interview only gives us three pages of text -- but there are at least hints that the focus of B8 will be on internal Scoobie problems.  Andrew, at least, is depicted as acting in a way that suggests that he's not on the up and up with respect to Buffy.  (He chose the Immortal as the faux-love interest on the grounds that it would be 'hilarious' -- but Buffy doesn't know why it would be 'hilarious' and we have to think that if she did know, she would not be so amused).  With that wedge already in place, Buffy goes on to say that while much has changed in her life, she still has her watcher.  The one she really didn't trust at the end of B7.  So there's at least the potential of exploring Giles' betrayal.  And Buffy does NOT say that the other Scoobies ARE in her life... so while they will certainly be the subject of B8, there's plenty of room for them to be in the picture in a tension-filled way. 

And since B8 is supposed to be during the same time as A5, we know there can't be much Spuffiness.  But given this set-up the story could easily be told so that there is room for Spuffiness in the future.

One can be hopeful, anyways.

'Maggie'

Dec 19 2006 12:59 pm   #30Dihcar

"And since B8 is supposed to be during the same time as A5, we know there can't be much Spuffiness.  But given this set-up the story could easily be told so that there is room for Spuffiness in the future.

One can be hopeful, anyways."

Oh yeah, i am hopeful.  I never really liked Andrew, imo he got off too easy for what he had done.  Now it seems that he's easily accepted in to the scoobies and the way he ridiculed Spike and Angel(don't really mind that,lol) was just too much.  I hope that Xander has finally grown up and accepts that Buffy will never see him as a love-intrest.  Giles knowing what he did was wrong and that Buffy is the TRUE leader, the watchers dogmatic way of thinking slowly disapearing or quickly.  Willow having limits to her powers, knowing that she too can be defeated, training more on internal strength, like Tara had.  That it's not about power, but how well you know yourself.

 

Spike/Fray=The future
Jan 09 2007 02:39 pm   #31Dihcar

The cover of the second issue is viewable over at comicscontinuum.com.

There is also a small summary.

Buffy looks great and very much like SMG.  But Xander looks too cool, it's like they erase the whole history of the character and decide to make him slim, and wear a cool leather jacket.

Spike/Fray=The future
Feb 07 2007 08:47 am   #32SpikeHot

I hate that Spike isn't going to be there, but I'm interested about what happened to Buffy and her friends, I think I'm buying these comics.

Feb 07 2007 10:18 am   #33LisFayte

I just read this:

BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER #3

Written by Joss Whedon, penciled by Georges Jeanty, inked by Andy Owens, colored by Dave Stewart, cover by Jo Chen.

With Buffy incapacitated, Amy the witch has taken the opportunity to -- get this -- lay siege with an army of the undead. Willow takes her on in a witches' battle royal as hundreds of Slayers defend their Scottish citadel, but without the kiss of true love, Buffy will be out of commission indefinitely -- with an unwelcome familiar face, and an image you won't soon forget.

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Feb 07 2007 10:38 am   #34SpikeHot

Who do you think Buffy's true love is? I really want it to be Spike, but I have a gut feeling that it's not.

Feb 07 2007 03:55 pm   #35GoldenBuffy

Joss so better not have made Buffy's ture love Angel. But he did say that he's a Spuffy shipper, so if he is I hope he's telling the truth, and gives us what we want. Dammit.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Feb 08 2007 12:31 am   #36FetchingMadScientist

Yeah, but wouldn't it be something if Angel tried to play "Prince Charming" and kissed her...and nothing happened?  Thereby solidifying the notion that he really *isn't* the one.  We never really did figure out  who sent the spell that  made Spike  all  "solid " again.  Maybe Willow sent it, hoping he would do what his instincts told him to...and come to Buffy's side...

"Never a fetching mad scientist about when you need one." -Spike
Feb 08 2007 01:33 am   #37Jenna

I have a question, maybe I missed it, but when does this become available, and where can I buy it?

Spike: You're the one, Buffy

Buffy: I don't want to be the one.

Spike: I don't want to be this good looking and athletic. We all have crosses to bear.
Feb 08 2007 02:08 am   #38Guest

The comic comes out on March 7 (just one month!!).  I think new issues will appear on a monthly basis thereafter.

Golden Buffy -- First, just got caught up on It Happened... and am looking forward to more!  Second, where did you read or hear that Joss is a Spuffy shipper?  I've never been able to find a reference. 

Thanks!

Maggie

Feb 08 2007 03:03 am   #39Unbridled_Brunette

Mm...sounds kind of hokey to me. Why couldn't he have written some really nice tie-in novels instead (I mean actually written them, not just sanctioned them like all the other novels). He could've made himself into the next Stephen King/Dean Koontz/Anne Rice.

Well...maybe not. But I would've been happy. :P

Faithfully bowing at the altar that is Stephen Colbert
Feb 08 2007 03:11 am   #40Guest

That was Lindsey and Eve's doing. He sent the package to re-corporealize Spike, so they could use him, etc....

Buffy's out, without the kiss of her true love? Well, Joss said after Chosen that Spike was Buffy's True Love, so.....it was definitely in an article or over at Whedonesque. I remember cheering about it. He answered the question because so many were asking if Buffy really meant her "I love you" before Spike burned up.

'Course, being the stinker he is, he could have changed his mind by now, and she could be in that state indefinitely!

UB - that's a nice idea....fully fleshed out novels by Joss to continue things....yeah, I would have taken that more seriously than what I've seen of these comics...definitely!

Caro Mio

Feb 08 2007 03:16 am   #41Always_jbj

LOL...personally I hate comics (always have) so I won't be buying them, or be particularly interested in what happens in them...especially as I don't trust Joss. He doesn't believe in letting the characters be happy so you KNOW he will do something to hurt/torture/main or kill our beloved characters.

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Feb 08 2007 04:09 am   #42Verity Watson
I'm not crazy about comics, but I have a feeling I'm going to buy these. Much as I'm forever in awe of how many *new* ideas come out of the original show, a little new material to spark something different is always welcome. Even if, as ZoeGrace and others have pointed out, we will probably need to fix those new story lines so they come out right in the end. ;)
You know I've been a good girl, but I hit a limit. ~ Poe
Feb 08 2007 05:19 am   #43GoldenBuffy

 *Yeah, but wouldn't it be something if Angel tried to play "Prince Charming" and kissed her...and nothing happened?*

That would be awesome, then finally those Bangel shippers can shut up. ( not hating on them 'cause I have no problem with Bangel lovers, used to be one) But to finally have Angel do something and it not work, that would be a dream come true. Then he could finally admit that Buffy is not The One for him.

Hey Maggie,

Glad you enjoyed the update. Working on chappie 13 now. As for the Joss being a Spuffy supporter I think it was posted on Whedonesque, but I know I read it. I was squeeing in me chair with joy, lol. I'm such a corn ball.

I'm with you JBJ, I don't trust Joss. He could've changed his mind by now and if he decided to have Spike wake Buffy up I can just see a whole worl dof wrong after that. Buffy still swimming in her river.

And in the air the fireflies
Our only light in paradise
We'll show the world they were wrong
And teach them all to sing along
Feb 08 2007 04:16 pm   #44The Space Between

I'll be buying the comics just because I'm a glutton for punishment.

That and to see what other storylines I can 'fix' to the way it should be.

And YAY to the whole bringing in Amy for a Witches Battle Royale! I have a story with that plotline so its gonna be interesting to see how they played it out.

~*~ The Powers offer no sympathy for the way things are...Human deeds are left in human hands. It's what one does with what's left that makes any difference ~*~ Jenny Calander as created by HollyDB
Feb 09 2007 11:40 am   #45Guest

Here's a link telling about Dawn's part in the comics.  http://www.aintitcool.com/node/31499

I feel really sorry for the poor girl. There's also a confirmation of when the stories take place in there. Dawn is now at college, so that makes it at least 15 months post-Chosen.

Feb 12 2007 01:19 pm   #46kittiekat

I can say nothing that hasn't already been said, thus I am doomed to repeat!

First of all - scared, happy, frantic, disheveled me is very much one of those who believe Joss equals God when it comes to the Whedonverse and as such he is omnipotent when it comes to the fates of his creations. I cannot believe he has actually said he's a spuffy supporter, though all evidence have pointed to it. Look at the arch of their relationship and compare it to her and Angel's. Seriously. *raising eyebrows as I preach loudly to the choir* I LOVE IT! However, the fickleness of him is ever present and ever unsettling and so, if he were to put Buffy with Angel at the end of S8 - though I do agree that the whole happy ending for ANYONE feels very out of reach when it comes to Joss - this would be it for me. I am serious. It's a terrible thing, but it's true. If she's meant to be with Angel by the mighty pen of Joss, then she's meant to be with him and all the pain and struggle Spike went through to get where he was in S7 would be for nothing. And it would ENRAGE me.

Anyways.

From the article where quotes have been taken by many posting in this thread he also said that he wants to try and get Spike to be a part of the comic - didn't say huge part, but did say that he was working on it - whereas Angel might feature, though not for certain. I.e. shoulder shrug about the tall, dark and forehead. Hah! I hope so! I really do. Oh, as most in here I am not averged to Angel, not at all. He IS in Buffy's heart, and he always will be. But bring on the SPUFF! Well, the little there can be. Practicality reigns steadfastily in my overwrought brain right now. Will. Not. Get. Hopes. Up. Oh, but frightening idea to be dictated the ending instead of making it up for myself. Dear, oh, dear.

And thanks LadyY who sent me here to rant. Appreciated. And love reading all these comments! Thank you! :)

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Feb 12 2007 04:35 pm   #47SpikeHot

I'll be pleased with anything new about Spike and I love Buffy so I'm buying the books. I'm starting to grow newfound affection for Xander and Willow again (all thanks to the great season seven) and I hope Giles and Dawn will be redeemed in these season eight books, I want to like them again.

Feb 12 2007 05:09 pm   #48The Space Between

Truthfully, I'll just be happy to have a lot of the loose ends tied up. If its a Spuffy ending then YAY but I'm not disgusted by a Bangel ending either.

*ducks in case of flying objects*

I mean seriously, Buffy and Angel had that whole carrying the torch thing for years now. The two of them can barely be around each other without emotions welling up and threatening to choke them both and yeah I've written quite a bit of Bangel. Its hard not to when you have that kind of romance vibe going on.

I've also written Spuffy...more so than Bangel because I personally like Spuffy more. Spuffy was heat and zealous, exploding, blazing colours whereas Bangel is deep and passionate and a bleeding of colours into each other. Neither is better than the other. Its all a matter of personal preference so because my moods vary, my writing varies. I'm a Spuffy shipper, no doubt, but I do love me some Bangel too.

Only ones I wont write Buffy with is: Riley, Xander, Giles or Andrew.

Biley was sweet in the beginning until we got to see more of Riley's true nature and how little Buffy was able to relate to him outside the bedroom and the demon hunting. Without that, they didn't click well.

Bander... just... no. Too firmly in the best friend with a twist of the "but he's such a nice guy" type morale where nice is a word substituted for 'boring', 'not attracted' and 'no way in hell'.

Biles is just... ew! I mean I like the Buffy/Giles dynamic and there could be something there but for me Giles is her replacement father and them getting it on just kind of twitches my gullet.

Do I even need to explain why no Bandrew?

~*~ The Powers offer no sympathy for the way things are...Human deeds are left in human hands. It's what one does with what's left that makes any difference ~*~ Jenny Calander as created by HollyDB
Feb 13 2007 02:43 am   #49Immortal Beloved

I have never before in my life purchased a comic book, but I am beyond excited about this new series.  Am unbelievably happy that the real Buffy is not with the Immortal.  That part of the story line never made sense to me.  If Buffy wanted to be with a morally ambiguous, immortal guy, then she wouldn't have had so much trouble with Angel and Spike. 
I, of course, would LOVE for Buffy to end up with Spike, but she'd actually have to know that he's not dusty first :-P  Keeping my fingers crossed.

Vive le Spuffy!

Give me Spuffy, or give me death.
Feb 13 2007 03:04 am   #50Scarlet Ibis

Zoe, I agree- if the fiction takes you "there," then it's "real."  However, by having Joss say it in his fiction, even if it's not on the silver screen, it makes it official to those Bangel jerks. Blech.

However, in "The Girl in Question," what did it mean when Angel and Spike were at the bar, asking if they'd seen a blond haired, blue eyed American girl?  Buffy's eyes clearly aren't blue- hazel or green would've been acceptable descriptions (SMG and her contacts), but why would Spike not correct Angel?  This gave me the impression that Buffy wasn't even the integral part of the equation, and more about the boys revenge on the Immortal.  And as far as canon goes... I'm sorry, but the Spangel (though non sexual during the season) relationship was the most fun relationship to watch for me.  No angst, no fluff, but a nice combo of dramedy.  They really rocked it.  And if Joss were smart, and now that he's not doing "Wonder Woman," he'd take Buffy and Angel to the big screen, colliding both story lines to appease his fans.  And that's another thing- I hate how he didn't make a definite choice on the Spuffy or Bangel relationship in BtVS s7, just cause he didn't want to piss off a group of people.  That cut scene in the basement- WTH?  Make a choice, damn it!  Okay, done ranting now...

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Mar 02 2007 11:36 pm   #51pfeifferpack

My anger at ME/Joss over TGIQ is finally over based on the preview of the comic.  At least it wasn't Buffy there with the Immortal.  Now if he'll just wake up and smell the Spuffy............


Kathleen