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Episode Talk - Band Candy

Mar 28 2008 11:18 am   #1nmcil

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” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”

Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Mar 28 2008 06:24 pm   #2dawnofme
I don't have time to actually watch it, but I can say that it is my favorite non-Spike episode. 

Giles/Joyce as teenagers together = fun.

Snyder telling Buffy she drives like a spaz was hilarious.

I loved Giles jumping around behind Buffy ordering her to hit Ethan.  I don't remember the exact line, but something like, "You're my slayer.  Hit him." 

If I have time later, I'll watch the episode and chime in with some more thoughts, but sadly, they won't be any deeper than the ones above.  : )
Mar 28 2008 08:36 pm   #3Guest
This might be THE most hilarious episode of the entire show!

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Mar 28 2008 08:37 pm   #4Shadow
Yup, definately love it... *grin* 

Never did understand why Giles never followed up on that with Joyce tho...
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Mar 29 2008 01:55 am   #5Legen
Never did understand why Giles never followed up on that with Joyce tho...
i don't either. i think that that would have been an awesome character arch, and maybe even have brought buffy and giles  even closer together, perhaps even stopping him from betraying her so much later on. as well as, making a little easier when joyce gets sick.
this is one of my favorite eps. probly just because all the grown ups are actin' a fool. joyce's distress over her "mom-mobile" was classic.
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Mar 29 2008 11:45 am   #6SpikeHot
I really love this episode, so much for adults becoming immature teens. I don't think I would have liked it if Giles and Joyce became a couple, but I agree that it would have been nice for Giles to have a girlfriend.
Mar 29 2008 07:12 pm   #7nmcil
I will finally get a chance to watch later today - It's a very interesting contrast to the conduct of the adults under the spell of Band Candy and "Gingerbread" - both titles on Sweets and how innocence and good intentions can become so wrong and out of control - with BC we have adults out-of-control and being used to screen killers of children and with "Gingerbread" we have children using adults to kill their own children.  
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”

Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Mar 29 2008 11:01 pm   #8Shadow
Cept the 'children' in "Gingerbread" werent really children... they were a demon.
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Mar 30 2008 01:02 am   #9nmcil
Cept the 'children' in "Gingerbread" werent really children... they were a demon.

This is true, but I think that the idea of hidden "inner demons" and "secrets" and coming betrayals will all connect in the coming episodes -
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”

Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Mar 30 2008 03:36 am   #10Spikez_tart
why Giles never followed up on that with Joyce - Deep Fear of Buffy, is probably why, LOL.  Besides Joyce saw him in a reprise of his youthful worst. 

Children in Gingerbread weren't really children
- does this sum up Joss's feelings about children?  Another group that doesn't come into very good light on the show most of the time.
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Mar 30 2008 06:46 pm   #11Guest
Children in Gingerbread weren't really children - does this sum up Joss's feelings about children?  Another group that doesn't come into very good light on the show most of the time.

Who does he like? Most groups are shown at least one person being bad. Adults, teachers, authority figures, cops, children, teenagers, boys, girls, doctors, parents, soldiers, scientists, heroes, frat boys....


Mar 30 2008 08:36 pm   #12Eowyn315
That's a really good point, Guest. People like to make broad statements like, "Joss doesn't like x group" or "Joss likes to kill off y group." But when you look at the whole series (especially if you include AtS), Joss is pretty equal opportunity with his victims and his bad guys.

Except smokers and leather pants wearers. Those are always evil. :)
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Mar 30 2008 11:38 pm   #13Shadow
Honestly... watchin BtVS or AtS... I would say Joss has issues with commitment in ANY form.
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Mar 31 2008 03:32 am   #14Spikez_tart
Who does he like? - He seems to be good with 16 year old girls.  Hm.

We seem to be running out of steam.  What was next? 
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Mar 31 2008 04:17 am   #15Eowyn315
I had a suspicion there might not be a lot to talk about for this ep. I believe Revelations is next on the list.
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Mar 31 2008 05:40 am   #16Scarlet Ibis
Um...anyone else think Ripper was kind of Spike like?  Anyone? 

At any rate, it was one of the more fun eps of that season.
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Mar 31 2008 09:38 am   #17Guest
anyone else think Ripper was kind of Spike like?
dude that is so true, and something i thought about often. i think that may have even been one of the fuels  to giles' spike hate fire, becuase he saw so much of himself in spike. they were totally alike. the slightly privilaged humble back ground, the education, the turn to a bad boy. spike was just able to keep it up and giles caved, for what ever reason(which was another thing that i always wondered, what was it that made giles stop being the ripper?)  and giles was jealous of spike's freedom.
Mar 31 2008 08:04 pm   #18Eowyn315
which was another thing that i always wondered, what was it that made giles stop being the ripper?
I thought it was the screw-up with Eygon, but that could be just conjecture. Unlike Spike, Giles actually had a conscience during his bad-boy phase, so I would imagine that once it got as far as killing someone, Giles realized he was in over his head.
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Apr 01 2008 02:47 am   #19nmcil
The episode topic for "Revelations" has been posted -
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”

Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Apr 01 2008 05:19 am   #20Legen
once it got as far as killing someone, Giles realized he was in over his head.
tru dat, tru dat.
Giles actually had a conscience during his bad-boy phase
giles and his conscience is still a pretty sketchy thing though. he did alot of stuff, even as stuffy giles, that fuels the whole "have a soul vs not having a soul" good vs evil battle.
Your heart will break, your tears will fall, but don't be suprised, if there is someone there, to catch you when you fall. Becuase you, yes you, are awesome.
Apr 01 2008 06:37 pm   #21nmcil
giles and his conscience is still a pretty sketchy thing though. he did alot of stuff, even as stuffy giles, that fuels the whole "have a soul vs not having a soul" good vs evil battle.

So true -
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”

Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.