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Where the Wild Things AreMar 29 2010 01:24 am #1Spikez_tart
Okay, this is not a happy Spuffy episode. If you hate Riley, well, you'll still hate Riley at the end of this. I almost was going to skip over this, but I remembered Spike was in it.
Spike frightening Anya - Spike is really scraping bottom here, scaring people into giving him money. Anya points out that he's lost his vampire face and he doesn't even realize it. For somebody who was the Big Bad for a century, it sure disappears fast. I guess that's the way it goes in TV land (although Buffy's S6 depression seemed to last 4 EVA.)
Spike and Anya in the Bronze - foreshadowing their future crash together. They're very funny together and I just can't help thinking, Jeesh why is Anya hanging out with Xander? She could certainly do better.
Hostile 17 - Xander tries to get Spike in trouble with the Initiative soldiers, but apparently they no longer give a damn about Hostile 17. Riley certainly knows who he is and where to find him, but does nothing. (Possibly it's the threat of an old-fashioned butt kicking from his girlfriend, Buffy, that holds him back.) I guess the theory here is that Spike has changed enough that the soldier boys no longer recognize him as a threat. Which makes no sense. Whatever.
Xander and Anya's fight at the party - this is a mini version of their S6 storyline and includes Xander's jealousy of (or for?) Spike, the threat that their relationship is ending, the beginning of the vengeance. Nicely done.
Spike in the dental chair - there's a METAPHOR in here somewhere. Being good is like pulling teeth? When the poltergeist gets going, Spike is strapped in. Good against his will? If only.
Buffy and poltergeist - that little sex bunny Buffy can really stir up the nasty ghosties can't she? There are some vague similarities with I Only Have Eyes. Without the good dialog and the good angsty David and Sarah acting that is. It's the writers own fault for letting Riley come to town. Yes, I'm thinking if only it had been Spike, but probably just as well that it wasn't since the two of them would have burned the house down instead of just the living room rug.
Spike volunteers to Save Buffy - Fortunately, he gets a grip on himself and leaves. Spike's changing but there's a limit to do gooding.
While this episode pretends to be about Buffy and the Big Oaf, it's really about Spike and how his changes are beginning. He's "brought" to the "party" even though it's dangerous and he finds he fits in.
The title of course refers to the children's story where Max, a naughty boy, gets sent to bed without supper and goes to an imaginary world where wild animals live and becomes king. Here, Buffy gets sent to bed and becomes a wild animal (just like Spike says later). Foreshadow Normal Again. Is Buffy living in an imaginary world. So it seems.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Mar 29 2010 01:46 am #2pfeifferpack
You know I never paid enough attention to one thing you mention.....Spike in HUMAN face and not even being aware of it! That is major....he's becoming more human than demon already. Of course human does not necessarily equal good or making good or altruistic choices either but the human is in the drivers seat. Cool!
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Mar 29 2010 03:15 pm #3Spikez_tart
In Spike's case human is probably an improvement. It's also interesting that he happens to be at the party when Buffy has her sex blowout.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
ANYA: Well then, why didn't we have sex last night?
XANDER: (looks up) Is that what this is about? We've gone other nights without sex.
ANYA: (angry) I know. Twice! I can't believe we're breaking up.
XANDER: Breaking- We're not! Are we?
ANYA: Of course we are. You, you've obviously grown tired of me. I mean, I've seen it happen to thousands of women over the centuries, I just never thought it would happen to me.
XANDER: Anya, there's a lot more to you and me than the sex. (Anya rolls her eyes) Well, there should be! I mean, a relationship is something that you work at. Work through. Together.
It's interesting that it was Xander, the male, who was talking about working through a relationship. Usually it's women who want more and men only caring about sex, but in two occasions in S4 we see Xander talking about having a connection and for their relationship to have meaning. I guess after he was burned with Faith, he doesn't want another meaningless sexual relationship again.
XANDER: (looks up) Is that what this is about? We've gone other nights without sex.
ANYA: (angry) I know. Twice! I can't believe we're breaking up.
XANDER: Breaking- We're not! Are we?
ANYA: Of course we are. You, you've obviously grown tired of me. I mean, I've seen it happen to thousands of women over the centuries, I just never thought it would happen to me.
XANDER: Anya, there's a lot more to you and me than the sex. (Anya rolls her eyes) Well, there should be! I mean, a relationship is something that you work at. Work through. Together.
It's interesting that it was Xander, the male, who was talking about working through a relationship. Usually it's women who want more and men only caring about sex, but in two occasions in S4 we see Xander talking about having a connection and for their relationship to have meaning. I guess after he was burned with Faith, he doesn't want another meaningless sexual relationship again.
Mar 29 2010 11:05 pm #5Spikez_tart
Sex sex sex - I thought this show was about Spike's development but it was really about sex and the way sex interferes with growing up. Who's getting it, who isn't, who's letting it take over their life while they neglect their responsiblities, who feels it's more important than anything else. Poor Spike doesn't get laid, but he does make a little progress.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
The only part of this episode I watch is the Spike/Anya parts- they're funny. It's the shame that the writers really dropped the ball on the Spike/Anya friendship that they seemed to be developing here.
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I adore Where the Wild Things Are, I guess most fans hate it for the Buffy/Riley sex, but there's the wonderful exploration of the Xander/Anya relationship, Xander saving the day again, Giles singing, the wonderful Spike and Anya scene. It's filled with awesome.
I am going to watch the episode right now, tapping "V" so that I don't have to sit through all the ads. LOST is really coming to a great finish - I feel so sorry for Sayid and how he will probably end up -
I both dislike and like this episode - All that sex that is hiding the Inner Monsters that they are trying so hard to hide from and deny. Jonathan's important message to Buffy seems not to have made any lasting impression. When last we saw them in were doing sex instead of the important thing, talking about their deep insecurities, fears, and past history. All these characters are already on the paths that will lead them into the wild woods where they will all get lost or be strangled by their fears and fantasies.
I both dislike and like this episode - All that sex that is hiding the Inner Monsters that they are trying so hard to hide from and deny. Jonathan's important message to Buffy seems not to have made any lasting impression. When last we saw them in were doing sex instead of the important thing, talking about their deep insecurities, fears, and past history. All these characters are already on the paths that will lead them into the wild woods where they will all get lost or be strangled by their fears and fantasies.
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Have no problem with this ep. There's a lot of humor in it.
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Apr 01 2010 01:36 am #10The Enemy of Reality
Is it just me or is any Spike/Buffy kiss hundred times hotter than any Buffy/Riley sex scene? The one in this epi for example... it was supposed to be all sexy I guess, but I'm just not feeling it. Even the 'door' scene in Dead Things when Buffy and Spike are not even touching at all stirrs more emotions in me than any Buffy/Riley sex scene- for some reason, it always feels forced to me even when they're trying so hard to convince us how much Buffy loves Riley. Not that big of a fan of this epi, but I do love the interaction between Anya and Spike- they can relate a lot to to each other, from the relationship issues to not fully belonging in either world since Anya's lack of pendant rendered her human while Spike's chip also excluded him from the demon world.
Their sex scenes effected me the same way - all of their scenes when love and intense sex is being depicted have the quality of "forced" - For me, these two people just don't go together - Even just the visuals of their difference in size detracts from their screen presence. He just always looks to big next to her. Now we know that in real life this would not matter, but on screen it does make a difference. It's just like having to shoot people for photographs when large size difference become a problem. The photographer, unless they want to show that difference, always has to look for a way to balance the shapes. I have an image where Buffy and Riley are in his bed room - and while Riley looks really great with his torso bare, he also looks really big compared to Buffy.
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
This epi is OK..loved the Spike/Anya, didn't like the Biley sexage. I agree with the above posts, their sex scenes seemed forced, I don't think they had any chemistry at all. While Spuffy was chemistry with a capital C. yup..Enemy, the Spuffy kissage was scorching, whiley Biley sex just left me cold. Maybe it's Marc Blucas...I never found him sexy at all, so maybe that's why I don't find Biley sexy or hot. :shrugs: The Spuffy in "Something Blue" was hotter than all the SEX in this episode. IMO But to me ,Spuffy was Hawt even way back in "School Hard", so I think I'm just a tad biased. LOL
I think the height difference definitely has something to do with it. Yup...it's like they Don't. Fit. And nothing that they do makes them fit or hot or interesting.
I think the height difference definitely has something to do with it. Yup...it's like they Don't. Fit. And nothing that they do makes them fit or hot or interesting.
Apr 01 2010 04:35 am #13Spikez_tart
Is it just me or is any Spike/Buffy kiss hundred times hotter than any Buffy/Riley sex scene? - You Are Not Wrong! The scene in Superstar where JM is Almost touching Buffy's collarbone is a thousand times hotter than anything that Buffy and Riley do in this episode. Maybe it's James' ability to make all this stuff seem sexy. Maybe it's the lameness of Blucas. You never really get the sense that Buffy is attracted to him, in spite of all the phony scenes of her admiring him in the lunchroom and playing with waffles. Ugh.
If we want her to be exactly she'll never be exactly I know the only really real Buffy is really Buffy and she's gone' who?
Apr 01 2010 05:08 am #14Scarlet Ibis
I couldn't stop myself from grimacing whenever watching a Biley sex scene. Or a scene with Riley and his shirt off or any scene where they were supposed to kiss...and this was long before I was a Spuffy.
Hell, I'm grimacing now just thinking about it, lol.
I don't know what it is about...not even Blucas, I don't think, cause I've seen him in other stuff, but there is just something about Riley that disgusts me when it comes to anything remotely sexual. Even if it's just an innuendo.
Hell, I'm grimacing now just thinking about it, lol.
I don't know what it is about...not even Blucas, I don't think, cause I've seen him in other stuff, but there is just something about Riley that disgusts me when it comes to anything remotely sexual. Even if it's just an innuendo.
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Apr 01 2010 05:13 am #15TammyDevil666
Okay, no throwing stuff at me, but I've kind of always liked Riley. I never really had a problem with him, and I think Blucas is way hot, but I could have seriously done without all of the sex in this episode, or in general when it came to them. As others have said before, there was just no chemistry.
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I just finished watching the episode and there are so many really important foreshadows and messages about Buffy-Riley and Xander-Anya. I think this is really a very interesting episode. Even something as simple as the transition from the scenes with Spike at the frat house party to the song that Giles sings and how they apply to Spike and Giles and the theme of distance and hidden emotional pain that these two characters experience with the Buffy-Riley relationship. The Song "Behind Blue Eyes" is also perfect for Spike and the plot of "The Yoko Factor." We see the going away from the father figure and taking up with the replacement in the school talking scene when they are talking about going to the party instead of following the instructions from Giles. It's interesting to see again how Willow plays such a strong supportive role for the Buffy-Riley relationship.
Everything about this episode shows the coming collapse of Buffy-Riley – I think it’s a wonderful continuation from "Super Star" and the fantasy world theme.
From the start we see the fundamental problem that is facing Buffy and Riley, the disparity of their physical strengths and the Super Enhanced Riley vs. Mr. Joe Normal. We see them both so satisfied with their ability to work together – they are equals and they are physical, but what they are not is capable of dealing honestly with each other when all the crap hits the fan. I love how that little line from Giles is casually dropped in about the evil energy could be coming from the underground Initiative facility, which of course is Adam and the evil that the humans are doing.
Buffy and Riley are all about the "touchy feely" primal sex, self-absorbed and ignoring all else - one of the most powerful and revealing scenes about Buffy’s disregard of important events now is the "Willow in danger, does not matter." – it plays perfectly off the earlier scene when Xander is talking about the trouble he and Anya are having, she hears nothing regarding her friend’s love problem, but she does hear about something as unimportant as her borrowed sweater.
For all the symbolism and references of sexual consummation of love, what we are shown is the metaphor of the energy force manifesting in the wall. Walls that separate and hide all those inner demons and monsters that Xander, Anya, Buffy and Riley are hiding and that will destroy their relationships. Everything is on the surface with these two couples and all the ugly fears and insecurities are in hiding.
Spike and Anya, you have to love their scenes together and how totally clueless Anya can be, Spike’s reaction when he finds out she takes him to the Initiative house is just wonderful, James Marsters is so perfect with his interpretation of Spike.
I loved their reminiscing about their lost powers - how they could so easily have done evil in their former state. Was nice to see how Anya really loves Xander and does not want to hurt him. Spike’s line about his love and how it ended badly was another one of those great lines that just slips in. He with his crazy vampire logic will pretend to stake Dru, but it won’t be out of vengeance, but out of love for Buffy. Great foreshadow for all the tragic future of "Entropy" between Xander, Anya and Spike.
Lots more things that I liked about this episode, but this post is too long and rambling as is.
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Regarding the Biley sex in this episode - At the end Buffy says she had no control over herself at all, yet every single gesture, every movement they made was so obviously tightly controlled - they even went so far as to include the obligatory 'reaching for the condom' scene - no doubt to please the censors. If they were truly primal there would have been a lot more fast sweaty writhing and a lot less low moaning - and Riley would have been very badly bruised and scratched up - witness what happens to Spike when Buffy really 'let's rip' during sex.
Their 'acting' is very obvious and very forced too. When you consider their disparate sizes, if you watch the scene when they're supposed actually having sex, they're face to face which means his... relevant part... is down around her knees somewhere!
No chemistry is right - and very indicative of how uncomfortable their relationship becomes.
Their 'acting' is very obvious and very forced too. When you consider their disparate sizes, if you watch the scene when they're supposed actually having sex, they're face to face which means his... relevant part... is down around her knees somewhere!
No chemistry is right - and very indicative of how uncomfortable their relationship becomes.
Love's a funny thing...
"When you consider their disparate sizes, if you watch the scene when they're supposed actually having sex, they're face to face which means his... relevant part... is down around her knees somewhere! No chemistry is right - and very indicative of how uncomfortable their relationship becomes."
Hahaha, you crack me up. All4Spike. I couldn't have put it better!
And, Nmcil, please keep rambling. I love your insights.
Hahaha, you crack me up. All4Spike. I couldn't have put it better!
And, Nmcil, please keep rambling. I love your insights.
All4Spike. You are so right!<--- points at icon...They were the perfec size for each other so we know exactly where his...ahem...spike.. is.
Apr 01 2010 05:10 pm #20The Enemy of Reality
LOL, All4Spike! Well put. Buffy seemed like a child next to him- when they were dancing or standing next to each other. I personally get a crick in my neck from looking up at someone so much taller than me. And as Ami said, with Spike, there's no doubt where his body parts are. 
Apr 02 2010 12:05 am #21slaymesoftly
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ROFL, All4Spike. Good call!
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Here is a composite of the similarities of the hair touching scenes in "SuperStar" and "WTWTA" both Riley and Spike almost mirror the actions - Buffy also shows pretty much the same body positions - it's very interesting how, IMO, the Spike-Buffy scene suggested a sexual response to Spike also how the Riley-Buffy scene shows a quality of sadness. You can't help but feel very sorry for Buffy and Riley and how their opening scene shows how happy and satisfied they could have been as equal partners.
Link to large original image: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nmcil/4482999868/sizes/o/
Link to large original image: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nmcil/4482999868/sizes/o/
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Apr 02 2010 03:14 am #23slaymesoftly
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Hee! Riley looks like he's searching for bugs in her hair.
I am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
I am upper management.
Cootie Girl - oh you brought some laughter into my evening - I'll go off to paint and watch Supernaturnal in a good mood.
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Hehe, see, Spike is the right height to look into her face and Riley has to look down into the hair. It goes back to the size and where the relevant parts are again. LOL
Great catch, nmcil! Wow, I don't hate Buffy/Riley, in fact, I think it brought up interesting issues and it was adorable in S4, BUT those Buffy/Spike caps are far more sexy and romantic than the Buffy/Riley ones. It's probably the height.
Apr 02 2010 08:04 pm #27Scarlet Ibis
"It's probably the height."
I'd have to say it's James--the man who made caressing crypt doors hot
I'd have to say it's James--the man who made caressing crypt doors hot
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Apr 02 2010 08:05 pm #28Scarlet Ibis
Also, Sarah must be standing on a box in those screencaps with Riley or something...
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I am fairly certain that you are right - they have to keep the size difference realistic, but the close-up still look too close in height.
This episode really foreshadow vital changes that were coming for all the characters - but especially with the couples.
Xander's line about "if we grow old together" is a huge red flag and wonderful foreshadow was Giles singing "Behind Blue Eyes." it fits perfect for "The Yoko Factor" and for the Spike-Buffy relationship.
This episode really foreshadow vital changes that were coming for all the characters - but especially with the couples.
Xander's line about "if we grow old together" is a huge red flag and wonderful foreshadow was Giles singing "Behind Blue Eyes." it fits perfect for "The Yoko Factor" and for the Spike-Buffy relationship.
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Here is a more realistic presentation of the heights
large size: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nmcil/4484877162/sizes/o/ (biley)
large size: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2748/4484245543_241cd09ff7.jpg (spuffy)
large size: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nmcil/4484877162/sizes/o/ (biley)
large size: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2748/4484245543_241cd09ff7.jpg (spuffy)
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Apr 02 2010 09:01 pm #31TammyDevil666
I just feel bad for Sarah always having to be paired with such tall men, must have been hell on her neck. I bet being put with James was a major relief...lol! If not him, my only other choice would have been Seth Green.
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Apr 02 2010 10:49 pm #32slaymesoftly
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As a very short person who has had a lot of tall men in her life, let me tell you - it's very hard on your neck. And their's, actually. And hugging sucks unless you're getting picked up. On the other hand, they can reach things on high shelves for you....
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I agree w/scarlet, it's definitely James. The man oozes sex , just look at his face in the pics nmcil posted. Compare the last one when he's touching Buffy's hair to Riley's face. James looks sexy, Marc looks like a big gorilla picking ticks off Buffy's hair. ugh.
Can you imagine Riley doing the crypt door scene?. HAHAHA. OMG LMAO!
Can you imagine Riley doing the crypt door scene?. HAHAHA. OMG LMAO!
Moved the post over to the comic discussion thread - that is where it belongs
” Recent evolutionary models have demonstrated what politicians have long known: the best way to get people to collaborate and to think like a group is to identify an enemy and charge that “they” threaten “us.”
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Michael Tomasello is co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology.
Riley and the crypt door scene? Best Mental Picture I've had all day.
I haven't laughed this hard in days.
I haven't laughed this hard in days.
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I hate to sound like a whinger but I'd really appreciate it if we could keep these fun episode discussions free of any mention of the Season 8 comics. I followed the forums for a little while until they made me feel sicker and sicker, and I now avoid them like the plague. This is my river nile refuge from the nightmare going on everywhere else and it would be such a shame to lose it. What do you think? Apr 03 2010 10:51 am #37ladycat713
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I understand completely. I stopped checking my lj friends page because they kept showing the ads for season 8 and they kept making me sick.
I'll start checking it regular again when I get around to buying a paid account.
I'll start checking it regular again when I get around to buying a paid account.
Apr 03 2010 01:57 pm #38CM
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5'2" in socks definitely gets a stiff neck from 5'8" and up boyfriends. Much rather kiss if he's sitting down or something.
Marc is listed on IMDB as 6'2". Sarah's long known as 5'3" without shoes. 'Course, they frequently had the girls in 4" heels unless their feet wouldn't be showing at all in the scene. (Then they wore slippers.) Alyson had it lucky for a long time because Willow only wore tennis shoes until she was supposed to look cooler once she started dating Tara and expanding her powers.
Marc is listed on IMDB as 6'2". Sarah's long known as 5'3" without shoes. 'Course, they frequently had the girls in 4" heels unless their feet wouldn't be showing at all in the scene. (Then they wore slippers.) Alyson had it lucky for a long time because Willow only wore tennis shoes until she was supposed to look cooler once she started dating Tara and expanding her powers.
Apr 03 2010 06:16 pm #39slaymesoftly
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Hmmmm - I thought I'd see somewhere that Marc was 6'4"? He certainly seems to be that tall. However, I think all actors exaggerate how tall they are if/when they can. James was listed as 5'10" for awhile, which.... yeah, no. lol I can do up to about 5' 10" - after that, I need something to stand on. My ex used to make me stand on the couch. lol
My ex used to make me stand on the couch. lolI am not a minion of Evil...
I am upper management.
I am upper management.
Apr 03 2010 07:16 pm #40TammyDevil666
I always thought Marc was 6'1, but either way, it's too tall for her. I thought James was 5'10, did I have that wrong, too? Anyway, I agree with the above posters, the less mentioned about the comics, the better.
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Apr 03 2010 09:08 pm #41slaymesoftly
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Very early on, James' height was listed in his bio stuff at ;around 5'10" ' or something like that. That was when he was still being coy about his date of birth too. He was looking for work and obviously felt he needed to be ten years younger and a couple of inches taller than he is. Probably a good call, but you can't hide stuff like that forever. I think his height just doesn't get mentioned anymore; and everyone now knows how old he is. In season 7 there's a shot (or several screen caps) of James going eye to eye with Robin Wood - except that they aren't eye to eye - not even close!
Back in the day, there was an actor (Alan Ladd) who was quite short. He used to stand on boxes for love scenes so that his leading ladies wouldn't be taller that he was. Have no idea how they handled the scenes where you could see both of them at the same time from a distance. I just remember reading about the box thing.
Back in the day, there was an actor (Alan Ladd) who was quite short. He used to stand on boxes for love scenes so that his leading ladies wouldn't be taller that he was. Have no idea how they handled the scenes where you could see both of them at the same time from a distance. I just remember reading about the box thing.
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I am upper management.
I am upper management.
To me James is about 5'8", and on IMDB it says DB Woodside(Robin Wood) is 6'3" so he's very tall. That's taller than DB And Marc Blucas.
That Alan Ladd thing is pretty funny, and he was very short, only 5'4" according to IMDB. Wonder how accurate they are?
That Alan Ladd thing is pretty funny, and he was very short, only 5'4" according to IMDB. Wonder how accurate they are?
Apr 03 2010 09:34 pm #43Scarlet Ibis
James is 5'9", and when wearing those combat boots as Spike, that was at least an extra inch and a half, and when working with actors like David and D.B., I'm willing to bet he wore lifts or something.
"Can you imagine Riley doing the crypt door scene?."
<--is miffed there is no vomit smiley.
Well wait--that could be hysterical too, in a most painful sort of way...
"Can you imagine Riley doing the crypt door scene?."
<--is miffed there is no vomit smiley.
Well wait--that could be hysterical too, in a most painful sort of way...
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<-- Maybe that one works for you scarlet. lol Scarlet if you don't mind my asking, how tall are you? Cause I know you've met James at cons, is he taller or shorter than you? If you say he's 5'9" I'm gonna believe you, cause after all you've stood next to hisself.
So many people say he's 5'7", which I find totally unbelievable. Apr 03 2010 11:36 pm #45TammyDevil666
5'9 sounds right, that's about my height and looking at my pictures with James, he's like a hair taller than me.
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Apr 03 2010 11:54 pm #46slaymesoftly
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I'm terrible at guessing heights once they're more than a couple inches taller, but I would certainly put James at 5' 8" or 5' 9". Definitely no more than that. I'm 5' 2" and he's no more than a head taller - if that. Hard to tell from most pics because he's leaning in and hugging, but he was behind me in the last one and seems to be about a head taller. I can comfortably look him in the eye - no neck strain at all.
ETA - Scarlett makes a good point about the boots. They definitely add to his height, which would help him a lot in face to face encounters with most people.
ETA - Scarlett makes a good point about the boots. They definitely add to his height, which would help him a lot in face to face encounters with most people.
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Apr 04 2010 01:39 am #47Scarlet Ibis
Lol, that smiley works fine Ami--I didn't see it 
I'm 5'11", and I know just how much I have to scooch down for a photo, lol.
The shoes I've seen James wear in RL weren't nearly as big and clunky as the combat boots were, and don't add much of anything to his height. If he ever wore K-Swiss, he'd have an extra inch inconspicuously, but I don't think he's discovered that brand just yet Lately, he's been wearing Chuck Taylors, which have very thin soles. So yeah, I stick with my assessment of 5'9".
I'm 5'11", and I know just how much I have to scooch down for a photo, lol.
The shoes I've seen James wear in RL weren't nearly as big and clunky as the combat boots were, and don't add much of anything to his height. If he ever wore K-Swiss, he'd have an extra inch inconspicuously, but I don't think he's discovered that brand just yet
Lately, he's been wearing Chuck Taylors, which have very thin soles. So yeah, I stick with my assessment of 5'9"."Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly."
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heehee, scarlet. He should def. go for K Swiss. So, it's official we're going with 5'9". Nice for me since I'm 5'4".
Nice for me since I'm 5'4". Apr 04 2010 03:03 am #49CM
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Yeah, one of his older resume's said 5'9".5, which is easy to fudge to 5'10" in shoes. The boy is terrible about slouching, though, and he's also had enough back injuries that he should probably live on a chiropractor's table. So seeing him shorter at one con and taller at another is entirely possible. My boyfriend was born with scoliosis, so he has to have regular maintenance to maintain his height.....poor guy has been anything from 5'7" (he hurt) to 5'11" (freaked me out).
They put lifts in Spike's boots in season 2 when he was working around David all the time and playing a villain. Those boots themselves didn't have much of a heel (you can see in the promo shots). But I don't think he kept them (especially because he did get a new pair of boots eventually) when compared to standing with Sarah in wide shots. On AtS, they didn't seem to care, since he wasn't playing a villain anymore. (Amy Acker is 5'8", btw.)
They put lifts in Spike's boots in season 2 when he was working around David all the time and playing a villain. Those boots themselves didn't have much of a heel (you can see in the promo shots). But I don't think he kept them (especially because he did get a new pair of boots eventually) when compared to standing with Sarah in wide shots. On AtS, they didn't seem to care, since he wasn't playing a villain anymore. (Amy Acker is 5'8", btw.)
Apr 04 2010 03:10 am #50Scarlet Ibis
In s5 of Angel, his boots had really big heels on them--there's a shot of him with his feet up at the beginning of TGiQ, and it's a very chunky heel. About two inches, I think.
Desi Arnaz did the same thing
Desi Arnaz did the same thing
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He hsa so much screen presence I don't even think about his height. He fills the screen.
Apr 04 2010 03:52 pm #52slaymesoftly
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*nods* He does, MP. I think that's why everyone is surprised to learn that he's as sort as he is. He does know how to own a scene, doesn't he?
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Apr 04 2010 06:02 pm #53Spikez_tart
They put lifts in Spike's boots in season 2 - Also, a lot of the shots of Spike are looking up at his face which makes him look taller. There's a shot of Spike, Riley and Adam together in Primeval and the two of the them tower over JM.
Alan Ladd - I think for outdoor shots that made the girl or others stand in a little ditch. And of course, Alan almost always wore a hat - fedora or cowboy depending. Humphrey Bogart was short too, but somehow it didn't seem to matter so much.
Alan Ladd - I think for outdoor shots that made the girl or others stand in a little ditch. And of course, Alan almost always wore a hat - fedora or cowboy depending. Humphrey Bogart was short too, but somehow it didn't seem to matter so much.
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James Marsters would be "tallish" around me - I am only 4'10" -
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