Broken Things by TalesofSpike
03/08/2016 10:18 am
I wish there were like a thousand more chapters to this story!
05/04/2012 08:18 am
To bad this is unfinished, but what we have is good.
01/29/2012 09:36 pm
Thought this deserved a review. I love how well written this is and how so well done the characters are. I really wish there was more to read, but... eh. Would have been nice to see how you did Intervention and Spiral.
09/19/2011 04:55 am
Now.... you MUST continue this. It is amazing and insightful... and I really have to know what happens next.
08/16/2010 04:37 pm
Oh, I like this - does it continue ?
11/04/2006 04:34 pm
awsome story kinda confused me a little but i caught on when i red through it properly and i think u well need to finish it!!! so yeah good job
Sorry for the belated reply but at the moment "real life" seems to be sucking up more of my time than normal. Between that and the muse being unco-operative, it's now over a month since I've written anything (which while fairly unusual - my normal pattern is to try to update at least one fic a week - isn't unheard of especially if I hit burn out), but rest assured in the four and a bit years that I've been writing, I've yet to leave a fic incomplete, so as soon as circumstances allow I will get back to it.
I'm really glad you've enjoyed it so much, and I'll try to make sure that when I do get back to it, that the rest of the story lives up to the beginning.
09/04/2006 09:26 pm
I read your response to my previous comment and yes I realize I am always behind, particularly of late. Real life has a way of getting in the way of me keeping current on my updates but I am keeping track of them and it doesnâ€™t mean that I donâ€™t really love and enjoy this story because I do and I do thank you for you concern, nothing is worse then not realizing a fic you are following is finished and missing the last chapter or so.
As for this chapter, Buffy for all her emotional problems really showed great presence of mind in calling her mom and sending her to Spike. Buffy really isnâ€™t capable of helping him, and with that lack of ability she still managed to send Joyce who is probably the best person on the planet to be there for him right now. I love that Tara was the only person at home and that she was able to be there for Buffy and help her see things in a non judgmental light and make a decision before Willow, who is the least judgmental of the Scoobies, came home. Willowâ€™s reaction was perfect for this time frame and I can only imagine how much worse Gilesâ€™ and even more so Xanderâ€™s would have been. Thanks so much for the update I really enjoyed it.
Wheeeeeee! Thank you, honey!
That was so very much my view of things. A lot of the feedback for this fic has had me wanting to tear my hair out and/or bash my head off the desk because so many people just can't seem to appreciate the timeframe. I feel like I'm constantly justifying myself/Buffy/everyone's reactions and yet they're all either in line with or softened compared with canon for the period.
It really makes my day when someone is so in tune with how I view things.
08/30/2006 06:00 pm
Thanks, honey! More once my other WIP is finished and I get my beta's b'day fic written.
08/23/2006 08:54 pm
Wise Tara - Willow was a bit harsh wasn't she?
Thanks, honey. As for Willow, I pretty much kept her reaction as it was in canon, but I just let Tara have her say first, knowing that once Buffy makes up her mind, she tends to dig her heels in.
08/21/2006 02:51 pm
well I am glad that Buffy was trying to look after Spike in some fashion by getting her mother to go to him. I just love how Tara always had a calming feature about herself and leave it to Willow to just jump on the "Tell Spike NO and kick him out band wagon". I just hope he is okay.
Thanks, honey! I couldn't see Buffy being able to cope with the situation herself, but she did the next best thing she could, and instead of her going running to Joyce, she sent her to Spike... and let's face it in that situation I bet she really would have liked to go running to mom.
That said, if mom's busy then Tara is pretty much the best possible substitute, and for Willow, I just pretty much stuck with how she was in canon... though to be fair, Willow has plenty of experience with Evil Spike and no real first hand experience of Not So Evil Spike (unless you count him punching Tara and I have a feeling that that probably went in Willow's minus column), so in a way her attitude is understandable.
And the best answer I can give you to whether he's okay is that he's got Joyce.
08/19/2006 09:48 pm
very good update, thank you. glad to see buffy sending joyce to spike and very glad to see tar being the one she talks to about what happening. love tara.
Don't we all?
08/19/2006 08:43 pm
keep it up, buffy...stay strong regardless of your other friends and listen to tara...i hope to see how spike's doing in the next chapter...this one was excellent...great job
Yeah, we all knew what Willow and/or Xander would have to say if she went to either of them for advice, so I thought it was time for a different point of view.
Yep, the next chapter should have some Spike in it.
08/19/2006 06:37 pm
forgot of i reviewed here or not, but great chapter, glad tara has a bigger part to play
I only posted here this morning (always update archives later than my own site/LJ/GJ) so probably not.
I'm glad you liked it, honey. Tara always did have a more compassionate view than any of the others.
08/19/2006 04:01 pm
Well Tara's advice was certainly rational and got Buffy's head on straight, but can I just mention that running from Spike to have girl talk after he dusted his Sire ranks pretty high up on the Cold Scale? Compassionate Buffy really took a walk on that one. Looking forward to the next update.
I guess Buffy's actions could be interpreted that way, but really she did what she could. It's not as if she left because she couldn't care less. Emotional scenes have never been her strong point, and if she was some wonderful paradigm of virtue she'd be a far less interesting character. If you compare her actions here to what happened in Fool For Love, I think you'll find she's making progress.
Thanks for taking the time to comment.
08/19/2006 03:21 pm
Geez, I'm all caught up now. Just love Tara, glad she was the one to be there and help Buffy get through this. That will be an interesting conversation with her mom when she tell her mom about Spike's feelings and her will remember what he told her. Hope you can update soon. As the new chapters come in, you'll find that I'm not above begging when I find a story that I like. Great story here. Thanks for the read.
Yep, so much for me hoping I wasn't keeping you awake, huh?
Yeah, it's going to be fun seeing how things go with her mom. Of course, that depends on how much Spike has said in the meantime and how much is down to Buffy... and that damn awkward muse hasn't seen fit to tell me what he's decided about that.
I'm hoping I can update soon, too, but chances are it won't be as soon as I might like. I have two WIPs at the moment (the other one is totally different so liking this one is no guarantee you'd like the other). Both of them started out as birthday presents for people so, if I deviate from my arrangement of alternating chapters, then chances are someone will pout. Next up is a chapter of Unfinished Business and probably by the time I get that done it'll be a dash to get a b'day ficlet done for Spike's Heart and then, hopefully, I'll get back to this one...
08/19/2006 03:12 pm
I think it's a step forward for Buffy that she called Joyce. Her usual M.O. is to just run, usually without talking to anybody. It's good to see her reaching out in her own Buffy-ish way.
Also - Yay for Tara! She's such a steadying influence, and I love that she doesn't judge. It's a pity the same can't be said of Buffy's other friends.
Thanks, honey! It definitely IS a step forward. If you have any doubt you just need to look at FFL to see she's come a vast way and I'm so glad someone sees it that way.
And, yeah, Tara really does have a maturity that the other Scoobies lack, but in the others' defence they do carry round some Spike baggage from earlier seasons.
08/19/2006 03:04 pm
Good chapter. I am glad that Buffy saw Tara first. She is the most reasonable and kind person of the bunch. I hope Buffy actually follows through on what Tara said.
I think you'll find that once Buffy makes up her mind on something she tends to dig her heels in. I'm pretty certain that she'll stick by her intentions... at least until Spike does something to screw things up.
Hugs poor Tara, who is probably going to get a telling off from Willow as soon as Buffy is gone for daring to have an opinion of her own.
08/19/2006 01:31 pm
LOL...well, I understand where Buffy's coming from, it just frustrates me....especially because it's so easy to look at Spike if you just actually stop to see and realize he's more than the attitude.
Frankly, though, I think he's enough of an adult not to take a flying leap just from a tiny bit of comfort in a moment of grief. Seeing Red happened when it did because what they had been doing to each other made him unstable and desperate. That's not Spike now at all.
And I am glad the band-aided the situation by calling Joyce right away. I'm just disappointed in her (not you) for running out like she did without a word, etc.
Okay, last response becauee, well, time spent replying is time away from writing and I suspect I could try to explain myself for hours and I don't think we'd see from the same viewpoint.
As for the Seeing Red comment, I'm not saying that that would necessarily happen, just that all the ingredients were there so I can't blame Buffy for heading as fast as she could in the other direction.
Adult is neither here nor there. He's a guy, with working genitalia. She's a young pretty woman... and he's BROKEN. Regardless of what happened to bring the situation about he IS unstable and desperate. It makes little difference that in this case its down to grief rather than the aftereffects of a bad relationship, in fact, basic psychology suggests that death and sex are linked, that the drive to make new life is heightened exponentially when we lose someone. If he's not so broken as to make the situation risky from at least the point of him overstepping the line so badly that Buffy would be forced to slap him down, then he's obviously taking things far better than I would have expected him to.
As for the lack of pretty speeches... they really aren't Buffy's thing. She did the best she could, which is pretty much all any of us ever can.
08/19/2006 10:37 am
At least Spike won't be alone and thank God for Tara! Great Chapter and I can't wait for more.
Thank you, honey! I'm soooo glad you liked it. And, yes, thank God, Gaia or whoever for Tara...
Next chapter might not be as quick as I would like, since I'll have to squeeze in a birthday ficlet as well as the usual chapter of Unfinished Business before I can get back to this, but I'll do my best.
08/19/2006 10:08 am
Great chapter. Please update soon, please. Poor Spike, left alone,after what happened!!!!
Thank you, honey! I'll see what I can do, my other WIP and RL permitting. Spike won't be alone for long, and really Joyce is far and away better qualified to take care of him, not least because he isn't in love with her.
08/19/2006 10:07 am
Absolutely brilliant update! Looking forward to Buffy and Spike's next meeting.
I'm glad you liked it. I shan't make any promises for whether you'll get your wish next chapter as it depends how much alone time Spike and Joyce take up, but hopefully you won't have to wait too long.
08/19/2006 09:23 am
And okay, I get that she's incompetant when it comes to emotional/mentally challenging situations, but her behavior is such at odds with how I would have been....it's hard to show any compassion for her being so...ugh....
I had a friend, when we were 5, that was being abused by her dad, and she came to me for comfort and advise...even at that age...so helping others through tragedy is something I was born with to handle. A gift of empathy, as my family refers to it as. Just wanted to let you know where I'm coming from on the Buffy opinions.
I am very glad that she got deterred from the hate train very quickly, and that Spike won't be disinvited from the house soon. I can't imagine the shape the poor Desoto's in. She decided to drive, in that state? Truly scary!!!!
I think your comment actually sort of illustrates where I'm coming from... It's easy to have compassion for our friends. We care about them. What hurts them hurts us.
Spike isn't Buffy's friend. The possibility is there that maybe she might come to think of him that way, but at the moment she's had no more than a couple of glimpses under the facade. She doesn't know him. Doesn't know how he'll react, doesn't know anything much about him... other than he's vulnerable, desperately hurt, needy, more physically orientated than most and he has feelings for her. You want my opinion, she's the worst person to be offering comfort. The very fact that he's attracted to her makes it dangerous for her to be offering any form of physical comfort. It makes it far too easy for signals to get mixed up and for things to go disasterously wrong. You want to see Seeing Red happen a season early, then, yeah, she should have stayed...
You can't relate to Buffy, who has had to wall herself around to survive, so why should she, at this very very early stage in their getting to know each other, be automatically attuned to Spike?
And, on a less serious note, yep, the poor DeSoto at the very least is probably going to have some wear and tear on its gearbox that it didn't need... And decided is probably too strong a word. It implies a degree of conscious thought which she was pretty much lacking at that point.
Again, thanks for your comments.
08/19/2006 09:08 am
Thank you, Tara!!! Thank you, thak you, thank you...
Poor Spike...he needed comfort, and the coward just ran. At least she called Joyce...who's probably going to reprimand Buffy when she sees her next. You know, Buffy, just because Angel didn't act devastated when he staked Darla for you, doesn't mean that Spike's going to have an easy time severing that connection with his sire. Dru was his everything, until you came along. Nearly 120 years of making her his world. This death is huge, and she couldn't show an inch of compassion and cry with him....bitch.
It would have been enough comfort just to lay your hand on his shoulder, or hold his hand. Just so he wasn't alone.
Bitch, well, it wouldn't be exactly OOC if she was. FFL anyone...
Self-centred, definitely... and human and flawed just like us all.
As for Joyce, I'd have to work pretty hard to justify that much of a departure from her canon reaction to discovering Spike was in love with Buffy... not that I was exactly in agreement with the path the writers chose for Joyce, but it seems to me that Joyce would be more worried about what to do to make things right, than in laying blame.
From your reaction (which still seems more based on the last chapter than this), it would seem that I completely failed in my main objective for this chapter, but as it appears that the only alternative would have been to make Buffy act in a way that would have been OOC, I guess I have to chalk it up to you can't please all the people all the time...
Thanks for taking the time to comment anyway.
08/19/2006 07:54 am
Wow. I'm very impressed with Buffy that, in that state, she thought to call Joyce to look after Spike. Well done.
And it's incredible the difference of having the first reaction be from Tara rather than the Scoobies can make.
I always had it in mind that even though I couldn't see Buffy dealing with the situation (or not without the whole run and regroup M.O.) that hopefully, I'd moved her far enough along the path to seeing Spike as a person that she wouldn't be able to just walk away as she did in the ep. Fool for Love.
Hugs Tara! Yeah, Buffy's one of those people who tends to make up her mind and then stick to it so having Tara's calming influence when the crisis hit makes a huge difference.
09/19/2011 04:47 am
That was devastating. What a way to end the chapter. Poor Spike. Poor, demented Dru. I love her so. Poor confused Buffy.
08/23/2006 08:48 pm
She can't leave him like that! GO BACK, YOU SILLY BINT!
Thanks, honey, but I'm afraid that if she hadn't run then she wouldn't be Buffy, or at least not later seasons Buffy.
08/19/2006 03:04 pm
Wow he dusted Dru! Guess there wasn't anything left for him to do since she had Buffy in a thrall. He needed Buffy so much and all she could do was run, how sad. Excellent chapter, great read.
Thanks again, honey!
Yeah, dealing with the emotional stuff head on has never been Buffy's thing. Demons on a killing spree, no problem. Emotional stuff, run like hell, regroup, do what has to be done.
08/18/2006 03:54 pm
My first thought was no Buffy Spike needs you, go to him, but with everything that has happened to Buffy over the last while, as well as Dru just having her in thrall, I just canâ€™t see her being able to do anything but run and regroup. The only way she has learned to cope with the things that have happened to her is to shut down emotionally and with that comes the reaction that when things get too hard, too emotionally trying she hides from it. I am looking forward to the emotional impact for Spike from what has happened and am grateful that he has Joyce in his corner. Thanks for such a thought provoking update, I really enjoyed it.
I'm not sure if it's my imagination but it seems like your reviews arrive just after I update my own site, but because I always leave it a day or two before I update archive sites (I tend to think that if people sign up for an individual mailing list or friend me on LJ or GJ they should get a head start) you're a chapter behind, which is fine so long as you realise, but otherwise might mean you miss out on the final chapters of the fics when they come around.
Anyway, to the actual review...
As you say, Buffy really wasn't in a position to cope with anyone else's problems. As she tells the potentials in S7, when your gut tells you to run, you run. When it comes to slaying it's probably part of the reason she's been alive longer than most. In emotional situations, it's generally not quite so effective.
The next chapter, which will probably appear here tomorrow sometime, deals with Buffy's actions. I'll get back to Spike in Chapter 9.
Thanks, honey. Glad you liked it.
08/12/2006 04:03 am
NO! No cliffhangers! Update soon, I really love this story. I like how you are taking time to develop things and cant wait to read more!
Yep, cliffhangers, frequently and often...
Glad you're enjoying the story. How long the next update will be depends on how much co-operation I get from the muse on my other WIP, which I'm currently working on (alternating chapters)... and RL, I guess.
08/10/2006 07:22 pm
Gah - I know I reviewed on LJ, but just to add to the record here - this is so heartwrenching. Everyone is thinking "poor Spike" - as am I;but I'm thinking "poor Buffy" also. Even if she knows and understands that emotion and sympathy are not her thing, it has to hurt to know that you've just turned your back on the man who saved your life. No one with the Slayer's innate moral compass could possibly be comfortable with that behavior. I hope Joyce and Dawn can take up the slack a bit, but the compassion needs to come from the person who was responsible for his loss...Eagerly awaiting future chapters to see how you play this out.
Yes, I think a lot of people's gut reaction has been to condemn Buffy out of hand, but how many of us always do what we know is right all the time? How many of us can say without fear of contradiction that we are in every way the person we would like to be?
The point you make about compassion is interesting, especially if you combine it with the observations I made in reply to someone's comments (I think Dia's on LJ) where she was asking about how I saw Spike's thought processes as far as the decision was concerned. My response was that although I doubted he made any conscious decision, Dru probably signed her death warrant when she threatened Joyce and Dawn. If there had been only Buffy to consider, if that individual instance of thrall might somehow have been broken, then he might have been able to justify having one last try at persuading her to leave. Most of the time Buffy can take care of herself. It would be risky, but you could imagine at least until Dru forced his hand it might go either way. Not that I think he had time to weigh it out, but to me the threat against Dawn and Joyce (who would both be helpless against an attack) was more than likely what would have tipped the balance... which is my long winded way of saying that I don't think any debt is entirely Buffy's.
There's good news and bad news on the progress front. I managed over 1,000 words on Unfinished Business today, but I'm not sure if I like them... lol.
08/10/2006 10:03 am
So harsh-- But that is Buffy's MO: to run when the emotions get too confusing. I like how you changed the scene at the Bronze to have Buffy run after Spike, as well as Buffy giving Spike the benefit of the doubt about the chip right away. I hope that Buffy will open herself up to comforting Spike soon. Otherwise, it's going to be up to Joyce again. Very cool how she was listening in on the conversation-- I wonder if she has any clue that he's in love with her?
Yep, confronted with an overwhelming situation, Buffy does tend to run, consider and somewhere down the line eventually regroup.
I wonder if she has any clue that he's in love with her?
Oh I think the word 'slayer' made an appearance often enough, and I'm pretty certain its use would make Buffy sit up and take notice. Somehow, given the context, I don't think she's going to assume Dru meant Faith or Kendra.
08/09/2006 09:48 pm
Poor Spike!!!! Killing his sire and then Buffy runs away. Stupid girl. I hope she realizes what he did for her... Great story, by the way. Please update soon.
I'd read it as Buffy understanding exactly what he had done and it being way more than she could cope with. She's not good with emotional stuff. There are a whole heap of other factors, but rather than repeat myself I'll point you to my replies to earlier reviews.
My other WIP is due to be updated before I go back to this one, but I'll try not to make it too long before I get back to this one, RL and the muse permitting.
08/09/2006 08:43 pm
what a way for Dru to find her end. I just can't believe that she just left him there. I just hope that Spike will have someone who will be there for him when the find out what he had to do.
Re Buffy, this is someone who's far from being whole herself. The impact on Spike is obviously far greater, but the scene hardly left her unscathed. She can't offer comfort when she's in the state she was in.
As for there being someone else, I have just one reply... Joyce.
08/09/2006 05:10 pm
Nooo!! You do not run in that situation! You offer comfort!
Sigh. Guess I'll just have to wati around for the next chapter. ::grin;:
Nooo!! You do not run in that situation! You offer comfort!
You do if you're not in shock, if you have more experience and compassion than the average twenty year old rather than being so closed off emotionally that your last boyfriend left you for that reason, if you know the person in question well enough to know how they might react rather than them being little more than an acquaintance who might potentially become a friend, if you don't think such comfort could be misconstrued and effectively be leading him on, and if you, yourself, are calm rather than being completely freaked out by recent revelations and events. Yep, given those conditions you would probably offer comfort...
And, yes, the next chapter should make things a bit better.
08/09/2006 03:30 pm
Whoa he dusted her, his Sire, the Vamp who was his everything for over a century and what does Buffy do to show gratitude? She runs off like her arse is on fire. Spike sure does know how to pick them. But I guess it was probably a shock to the system.
Well definitely was not expecting that, that's fot sure.
Lol! I think maybe a shock to the system is an understatement.
I'm glad you're enjoying it. Unfinished Business is next on the WIP list, but I'm hoping that I can manage a chapter of that & a chapter of this before I have another birthday ficlet due... muse willing.
08/09/2006 10:33 am
O.k, calm now. Great chapter and I can't wait for more. Poor Spike. =(
Thank you, honey!
Poor Spike, as you say, but in truth no one is really coming out of this situation very well.
Unfinished Business is next on the WIP list, and I guess RL has to have a bit of time too, but hopefully it won't be too long before I'm back to this one.
08/09/2006 10:31 am
That bitch! Please say she's going to pay for that!
Shrugs... I wouldn't say her reaction makes her a bitch. I'd say it makes her a young girl/woman who is miles out of her depth. Put in a situation like that at that age, I doubt that many of us would have the experience or maturity needed to deal well with it, especially not someone who is so alienated from the people around her.
Thanks for taking the time to comment.
08/09/2006 09:05 am
[quotes]:"I'm a bad rude man, and maybe there's part of me that wants to pick you up, dust you down and apologise for the next hour but I'm not going to... And you want to know why? Not because I'm hers. That's never gonna happen, I know that, but because, for the first damn time in a century and a half, I'm bloody well mine."
YES! Thank you! I've been waiting for Spike to make a declaration like that since... ever! This story is brilliant enough in its own right, but this line makes me love it all the more.
Lol! Thanks, honey!
I wanted something in there that would parallel with the canon part where he tells Harmony to go and she asks, "Why? Because she's back?" and Spike replies, "No, because I am." ...only in this instance, it's not about his reversion to the Big Bad persona, it's about him working out who he wants to be from here onwards.
I'm really glad you enjoyed it. Thank you.
08/09/2006 08:53 am
*whimpers* poor Dru... (sorry, I have a soft spot for that girl)
Love this story! please update soon?
Poor Dru, but the way I look at it, she should be at rest now, and, if there's any justice, that part of her that was once human is whole, and happy and reunited with her family.
Spike will get by, like he always does, especially with Joyce around.
The next update will probably be in a couple of weeks. Unfinished Business is due an update, and while I was originally trying to update both as close to weekly as I could, the fact of the matter is it's not a schedule that I could maintain in the longer term. Hopefully, that won't seem too long.
08/09/2006 08:27 am
Oh wow. This is really, really good. I wonder how much of that exchange Buffy will realize was about her. I imagine it would have been very easy to give up too much in this chapter, but you kept just enough back to keep things interesting. At the same time, you've put enough out there that they can't pretend it never happened (although they probably will anyway). I can hardly wait for the fallout.
I think I gave away quite a bit there... if Buffy can remember enough of it when she comes out of shock.
And, yeah, though I reserve the right to change my mind when I start writing the next chapter, I suspect that for a time at least there will be some pretending things didn't happen, not least because the "letting him down easy" speech would probably be adding insult to injury at the moment.
08/09/2006 07:29 am
excellent read, thank you. even for buffy, the running out on spike might be an all time low.
Thanks, honey! As for Buffy, she's probably not going to look back on this moment with a sense of pride, but how many people at that age could deal with that sort of situation, bearing in mind that she's only just beginning to find any common ground with Spike and see behind the Big Bad facade, so to a great extent he's almost a stranger... even before you take into account the whole shock of him being in love with her and having to draw the line between comforting him and leading him on... So much for me not waffling and repeating myself, huh?
08/09/2006 06:19 am
god, what a bitch. he stakes drusilla for her and she just runs away? she's such a damn coward.
Okay, not going to make with the long explanations, if you want those you can chaeck out my replies to earlier comments on this chapter, but I will say, take a deep breath, go back and try to consider things from Buffy's point of view. Try to think how you would feel if you'd just been within a hair's breadth of dying amongst a whole host of other things. Yeah, I guess a saint could take in everything that Buffy just heard, deal with it and offer comfort. Newsflash, Buffy isn't a saint...
I'd like to think I'm a more supportive person than Buffy is, but I doubt I could have dealt with that situation. The very intensity of Spike's feelings would scare me silly and I'm a bunch older and wiser than Buffy is here.
08/09/2006 05:59 am
Spike did what he had to once Buffy was thralled...and the stupid little girl ran away again. Poor Spike...no matter what, that was still going to hurt like hell. No matter what Dru did to him, she was still family.
Yep, Spike was always going to love Dru, even if he was no longer in love with her any more.
Unfortunately, at twenty(?) Buffy is still a little girl in a lot of ways, and hardened beyond her years in others. There was no way that she was ever going to be able to cope with the emotional demands of the situation.
08/09/2006 05:43 am
oh no buffy....how can she leave him there like that?? after he just saved her life at such cost to himself?? great chapter...need more soon though
...Because, she's Buffy... the one whose boyfriend just left her for being too detatched, the one who's only just beginning to see Spike as more than a general pain in the ass or maybe an occasional convenience, and the one who can't even cope with what she's just found out, never mind offer comfort to anyone else...
It would have made for a shorter fic if she'd stuck around, but it wouldn't really have been in character for Buffy as she was at that point in time.
Thanks, honey... Hopefully you won't have to wait too long this time. I had to squeeze in a couple of ficlets (not posted here) as well as a chapter of Unfinished Business between this and the previous chapter, but since there aren't any more birthdays until the end of this month...
08/23/2006 08:42 pm
Great Spike voice.
Glad it seemed right.
08/19/2006 02:52 pm
Nice of her to allow Dru to leave if she would. This is going to be very interesting. Wonderful chapter.
Yeah, it was decent of her, especially as she had more than a hint of misgivings about it, but...
07/29/2006 01:30 pm
I really loved Joyce and her insistence that Buffy apologize to Spike. Thanks for the update, I really enjoyed it.
Having Joyce around was one of the reasons I set this earlier in S5 than I would have otherwise.
07/21/2006 06:28 am
very good read, thank you. and thanks for joyce, buffy would screw everyhting up if she only had giles for guidance.
Hee! buffy would screw everyhting up if she only had giles for guidance. as S6 proved all too well.
07/20/2006 02:28 pm
poor spike...at least buffy's being a bit more understanding now...i'm glad joyce made her apologize lol great chapter
Not even Buffy could mistake Spike's misery for anything else. And, yeah, Joyce might give Buffy a little leeway on the slayer stuff, but once Spike had talked his way out of it, at least for the moment, then Joyce wasn't about to let her get away scot free with that sort of behaviour.
07/20/2006 09:37 am
You can't expect him to want her dead, but that doesn't mean he's going to join her in the old ways, either. He knows too well that he can't trust Dru, feelings for the Slayer not withstanding.
Love that Joyce made her apologize. Buffy definitely needed to learn that violence first isn't always the best, or right, action.
It's an awkward situation. Buffy has to think of all the possible angles, and from her POV, if it comes to her having to kill Dru... she knows Spike loves Dru, so it's hard to imagine him just standing by...
Joyce might let Buffy get on with the slayer stuff to some extent, but when she turns out to be in the wrong Joyce won't let her just pretend it didn't happen.
07/20/2006 08:39 am
You are so good at mixing sexual tension, humor and angst. A very enjoyable chapter. Thank you.
Thank you, honey!
I'm really glad you're enjoying it.
08/19/2006 02:37 pm
Of course Giles would think the worst and Xander too when he finds out. Glad that she's at least giving him the benefit of doubt. Very interested in what he's going to do with his Sire. Excellent chapter, great read.
Oops! I thought I'd reached the last of your reviews before... All those things I said, assume I say them at the end of your last comment for the night.
Giles and Xander... Eeesh! Well at least with Giles I think it does stem from a genuine wish to protect her. Xander I think just doesn't want to see her with anyone other than him.
Shan't give away what happens with Dru. I think it works better if you read it.
Thanks again. I'm glad you're enjoying it so far.
06/30/2006 07:13 am
I love that Buffy realizes that she wants Spike to be telling the truth and that she wants him to have her back. Thanks for the update, I really enjoyed it.
Thank you, honey! That really is a huge shift in attitude for Buffy at this point compared with canon and I'm glad that it comes across.
06/29/2006 02:15 am
very good read, thanks. buffy could have been less dramatic at the end of the chapter. she wants to believe in him, so she attacks. joyce is probably going to be more pissed at the attack, than the favorite mug. thanks again for the fine read.
She does want to believe in him, but if she's wrong, she needs to make sure he isn't a threat.
You're probably right about Joyce, though she wouldn't necessarily intervene.
06/28/2006 07:29 pm
Buffy's behavior is so tiring. She never uses her brain. Just when would Spike have had the opportunity to slaughter all those people on the train. Please hurry and fix Buffy's stupidity.
If you refer to the replies I made to earlier comments you'll find that IMO Buffy is far from being stupid, and if you take another look at the chapter you'll find that once she knew when the train arrived, she never suggested that Spike was directly involved. There's nothing to fix.
06/28/2006 03:11 pm
Wow for some people 2+2 does equal 5. Let's get this straight, Spike, knew his chip wasn't working. and didn't have to tell Joyce, but not only did he make sure the guy was human and then tell Joyce. He was there with the gang when it happened, So because he has an alibi he's guilty? That makes as much sense as Buffy dating Riley.
You get the feeling both Giles and Buffy are projecting? Giles extracting revenge for what Angelus did and Buffy because Angelus couldn't love and change without the curse?
Well it will be interesting to see how Spike disproves an accusation that has little or no ground, except curtamstantial(sp?). Though I think Buffy needs to convince Spike it was him responsible for the massacre, afterall, Spike usually is the one in the middle of the action not leave it to the minions.
well loving it
Everything you have to say is valid, BUT bear in mind that these are his actions over a period of only days and even if they don't know how, from Buffy and Giles' POV, Spike may be manipulating them as part of a larger scheme. It's days of apparently doing good weighed against years of actively doing bad and making it clear to everyone that as soon as the chip was out he'd gladly kill them all.
Out of My Mind is not so far back in time, and this 'verse is not all that far removed from canon where Spike would very, very shortly be using the girl Dru killed for him as a drinking fountain... Events have changed slightly, but Spike's personality hasn't. Buffy and Giles have very good reason for concern.
The miracles are that Buffy (though she might not be able to allow her doubts to show right this second) is actually keeping an open mind and does actually want to believe Spike, even though the timing of the deaths is pretty damning evidence against him, albeit circumstantial. She wants to be convinced.
This isn't S6, Spike has not proven his loyalty. He hasn't stuck around after Buffy died. He hasn't been tortured by Glory and remained true. Having Buffy and/or Giles believe him without question and without knowing anything about his feelings for Buffy would be completely OOC for this time frame. IMHO
06/28/2006 01:01 pm
Jeez, what's up with these people? Paralysis of the logical thinking process?
Thanks, honey, but I have to disagree.
You mean they're so deluded that they don't realise that this Spike is only a very small step away from the one that drained the girl Dru killed for him in Crush in canon. Events have shifted, but only very slightly and that difference is the fact that Buffy has treated him better this time around.
They have a LOT more reason not to trust him than they do to trust him and, yet, Buffy still wants to do just that...
06/28/2006 10:45 am
I don't know if I've reviewed this story or not, but it's great! I've been catching up on my reading, and I really like the way you capture the friendship between Spike and Joyce-- how he can let out the inner poet around her. I also like the way you make Spike a Buffy a little more vulnerable and open to one another in Season 5. Great work-- keep it up!
I'm so glad you see things that way. I've tried to make Buffy's change in attitude believable. And Spike & Joyce are always fun to do.
The muse isn't playing at the moment, but when it does I'll get right back to this after I've done another chapter of my other WIP.
06/28/2006 09:18 am
Spike made the decision all on his own to tell you that the chip was out, and gave you the decision of what to do with him after that. He willingly put his unlife in your hands, so this plan? So not his doing.
Geeze, do none of these people actually go on logic rather than jumping to conclusions?
Well, actually, he told her if she tried to stake him he'd kick the shit out of her. (You and I may suspect he wasn't being truthful but that's what he told her.)
You have to remember that apart from the incident where he found out the chip wasn't working (and where there has to be the distinct possibility that with time to process that fact, so far as Buffy is concerned, he might have acted differently), his 'good deeds' peak at not licking the survivors of Olaf's rampage. We aren't talking S6 Spike here. This is the same Spike who under very slightly different circumstances drank from the girl that Dru killed for him. Buffy has every right to have doubts.
06/28/2006 05:05 am
i love your writing style...this is a great chapter, very well done...i thoroughly enjoyed every word...wish buffy'd give him a real chance though, poor spike she'll feel bad once she knows the truth... great job
Nice as it might have been for Buffy to believe him straight off, at this particular point in time, I think it would have been OOC for her to give him so much trust on the limited evidence available, especially without understanding his motivation.
As for when she finds out, I'll leave that for next chapter.
08/21/2006 12:18 pm
Good dialogue, and I like the way conversations and events from the series change subtly, rather than being exactly the same.
Thanks, again, sweetie! The idea is to keep enough the same for things to be believable, but at the same time to tweak things so that they come out better.
08/19/2006 02:22 pm
Wow can't wait to see how that's going to work out and Dru is back looking for him, which is never any good. Great read, thanks.
Yep, the fight at the hospital seemed like a good starting point for the purposes of getting rid of the chip but unfortunately, the next ep up is Crush, which means just when she finds out Spike no longer has the chip, she also finds a trainload of bodies... Most inconvenient of ME to order things like that.
Thanks again. Hope I haven't kept you up too late and I look forward to seeing what you think of the rest of the fic so far when you get to it.
07/12/2006 02:40 am
eck!! wow, way to spell it out for them spike...rofl *runs quickly to next chapter*
Well, as Dawn so rightly worked out... No way he could give Buffy the same explanation he gave her mom.
06/20/2006 02:15 pm
I like that Spike finally told Buffy about the chip not working and that he was so smart about the way he did it. Telling Giles at the same time, not having the Scoobies (Xander) there, and pointing out their options so concisely. Thanks for the update.
I think having Giles there was just a bonus, the way the storyline meshed with canon, but telling Buffy when Joyce is there is bound to help a little.
06/20/2006 03:46 am
Nice cliffhanger. Can't wait to see what happens next. I thought his "options" were very well delivered. You got Spike's character nailed.
Thanks! Spike was really left with very limited options. He had to tell her about the chip, but there weren't many ways to do that and avoid telling her how he felt at the same time...
06/19/2006 10:28 pm
very good read. spike directness is not going to set well with the idiot watcher, but buffy, maybe. thanks for the fine read.
Thanks! I have a plan... I just don't remember what it is.
06/19/2006 04:38 pm
06/19/2006 02:36 pm
wow...way to go spike, very direct and forceful and confident...now to see how buffy takes it...hope giles isn't a jerk about it...but he probably will be *sigh*.
Yep. There was only one way to go if Spike didn't want to have to explain his feelings to Buffy... and yes, Giles has been a watcher far too long to fall into line easily.
06/19/2006 01:46 pm
Nice reworking of the ep. I love Spike's proposal - great chapter. Can't wait to see the explosion that's coming.
Thank you, honey! I hope you won't be disappointed when the time comes.
06/19/2006 09:47 am
Took the bull by the horns, there.
Oh, dear...Dru's in town.
Thanks, honey. Yep Dru is back as was pretty much inevitable
08/19/2006 02:05 pm
Poor Spike couldn't face her, not yet anyway. Got rid of Harm which is definately for the good. I see that Dawn picked up on what Spike had confessed to Joyce but Joyce didn't. Dawn was always sharp as a tack. Not much got by her. Another wonderful chapter, thanks for the read.
Making Joyce believe he wouldn't hurt anyone... not too hard. Trying to convince Buffy without her demanding to know who the mystery woman is... well nigh impossible. Can't blame him for disappearing, at least until he can put a bit more thought into how to tell her about the chip.
And, yep, ding dong, Harm is Angel's problem now, and yeah since Dawn is in the middle of her crush, she's pretty much going to notice anything there is to notice when it comes to Spike...
Thank you. I'm glad you're enjoying it.
07/12/2006 02:19 am
Great Chapter!! *sigh* I would have thought Joyce would have figured it out, but Dawnie's a smart cookie! lol
Joyce is a smart cookie, but judging by how long she was oblivious to the fact that Buffy was the slayer, I decided to not go with her figuring it out. Dawn on the other hand was damn close to figuring it out by this point in canon.
06/19/2006 10:16 pm
good update. dawn has it figured out. joyce is only a hint away. the slayer is glad he is hanging with her mum. now the easiest way for spike to screw this up, is not to tell buffy soon. thanks for the fun read.
Thanks! I'm glad you're enjoying it.
06/16/2006 10:00 am
I like Buffy's thought that she felt more at ease because Spike was with her mom, I'm just hoping that some of the sentiment that made her feel that way remains when she finds out about the chip. I really enjoyed Dawn and in particular her thoughts when Spike left and that she realized that he was talking about Buffy. Thanks for the update.
Thanks, honey. I'm glad you're enjoying it. I'm just about getting to where Spike tells her in the writing stages, and while I have an idea of how she might react, I guess I'll have to wait and see if the muse decides to conform to that or if the characters take over. By this point in canon, Dawn had very nearly got Spike's feelings for Buffy sussed, so it seemed reasonable for her to work it out. Hopefully, more soon.
06/16/2006 12:55 am
Our Spike's in a bit of a pickle, isn't he?
Thank you! And, yeah, he's pretty much right royally screwed... but he'll work it out.
06/16/2006 12:44 am
spike better come clean and come clean quick... I would hate for Buffy to find out any other way. I am just glad that he told Joyce first that the chip does not work.
Like you say, Buffy finding out another way would be bad, but you can't blame Spike for needing a bit of time to work out how to tell her and build up courage.
06/15/2006 07:47 pm
This is a fabulous story!! I really liked this chapter - can't wait for next update.
Thanks, honey! I'm glad you're enjoying it. The next chapter, hopefully, will be along soon enough.
06/15/2006 02:46 pm
Good story so far.Poor Spike freaking out.Update soon.
And, yeah, poor Spike is in a bit of a mess. Updates when the muse allows.
06/15/2006 02:30 pm
well that's a good sign, maybe her reaction wont be so bad...he just needs to be very careful about how he talks to her about it...can't wait for an update, this was another excellent chapter
It seems reasonable that once the whole heroic defender scenario had time to sink in that she would be glad to have him there to keep an eye on her mum and Dawn when she couldn't be there.
Muse willing, I should be getting back to work on this one today, but it's the muse willing part that's often the problem.
06/15/2006 02:24 pm
Well done thus far. With some dialogue taken straight from the show you've rooted the piece firmly in the established Buffyverse but there's sufficient exploration of new ground to make it all feel somehow fresh. Your original dialogue rings true with the show and characters we got to know and love too - more soon. Please.
It's been a fun balancing act, trying to "forget" S6 (which I've been writing for so long) and get the character attitudes to ring true to where they were back in S5.
With luck, I should be making a start on the next chapter today. After that it's up to the muse.
06/15/2006 12:48 pm
Great, i think this is excellent!
Thank you! I'm really glad you're enjoying it!
06/15/2006 09:17 am
Thanks, honey, and at least on the plus side he's got rid of Harmony. That has to be a bonus.
08/19/2006 01:47 pm
Glad that Spike didn't feed or kill him. Was hoping it would go that way. Alway's loved Spike and Joyce scenes and that she always liked him and not Angel, the woman had taste. Wonder when he's going to tell the slayer, or even if he is. Really like this, going to the next I think before I go to bed. Thanks for the fine read.
Joyce was always good for Spike. I suspect any mother who finds out that a guy has been stalking her fifteen year old daughter is going to be predisposed to dislike him... Of course the fact that Angel was a skanky child chasing perv probably didn't help either...
And again you're probably at least partway to getting your answers.
06/09/2006 04:04 am
I'm loving this story! I can't wait to see how Spike is going to handle his de-chipped state.
Thank you, sweetie!
I'm afraid at the moment I'm still working on the next chapter of Unfinished Business (I'm doing alternating updates) but as soon as I finish that, I'll be back to work on this one.
06/07/2006 07:27 pm
excellent chapter. spike has already made hi decision ("...not tonight.") he just has to sell himself the decision. very enjoyable read, thanks
Hee! I hadn't looked at it that way, but I guess the fact that he didn't go straight out on a killing spree might well mean that deep down he knows which way it will eventually go.
Thanks, as always for making the effort to comment.
06/07/2006 10:25 am
Great story idea-- Looking forward to how things progress between him & Buffy. Also, hoping for hilarious hijinx as he dumps Harm.
And, yeah, the Harm thing should be fun. Somehow, with a skin full of bourbon, I doubt it'll come out quite the way he and Joyce planned...
06/07/2006 02:25 am
I really enjoyed that Buffy was able to observe Spike with her mom and sister, and that she saw, even if she didn't fully comprehend, how much he was accepted and a part of their lives. Thank you for the update.
Hee! Hopefully Buffy will catch up with the rest of her family but knowing how stubborn she is it might take a few more chapters...
06/07/2006 12:29 am
come on spike...i know you can make the right decision here...excellent update, i can so feel his uncertainty, his dilemma excellent job
Thank you sooo much! I have a feeling that most of you can take a pretty good guess at how this decision is going to go - unless I want to give myself a LOT more fic to write - but I really didn't think it should look easy.
06/06/2006 07:38 pm
Ooooo whatever will he do? Excellent update, I'm looking forward to more (greedy minx that I am for good well written fic).
Thank you, honey!
I'm glad you're enjoying this, and I'll do my best to make sure I don't keep you waiting too long, though Unfinished Business is next on the to do list.
06/06/2006 07:14 pm
Well, it's not his fault Glory fried the chip for him. It's just up to Spike to decide what to do, now it's done. He could have freedom, but be completely alone, or stay in hopes of continuing acceptance, and not feed on anything that doesn't come out of a bag.
Buffy's such a dumbass. She limits herself so much by never expanding her thoughts.
You're right on the money. Freedom's not worth a hell of a lot if it comes at the expense of losing what you love.
As for Buffy, there may be hope for her yet, but the challenge was to start out from the attitude that she had at that point in canon.
06/06/2006 06:31 pm
i really hope he doesn't turn evil again. he will definitely not get buffy that way. i'm worried about what will come next.
Thanks for commenting, sweetie!
i'm worried about what will come next.
All I can say about that is wait and see, but bear in mind there's not much he could do that's worse than chaining Buffy up, and having a sexbot made to look like her.
06/06/2006 05:40 pm
Great chapter. Interesting progression in Spike's thinking. Looking forward to more. Thanks!
Thanks for commenting. It's much appreciated.
From being in a position where his options have been severely limited, a whole world of possibilities is suddenly opening up around Spike. He'll work it all out, and he might even have a little help.
08/19/2006 01:28 pm
Very exciting chapter! Spike's chip didn't fire! That's what happened when Glory headbutted him. Doubt if he will feed but you never know, he jumped Harm when he was corporal, so going to find out. Great read, thanks.
Lol... again I guess you know by now.
Thanks again and glad you're enjoying.
07/12/2006 01:41 am
eeck!!! *hides eyes*
awesome chapter!! i always love joyce and spike scenes!
Re-reading this myself in preparation for starting on the next chapter at the same time as I answer you (just in case you're wondering why it's taking so long for each reply). It helps. Now I know why you're hiding your eyes. Definitely understandable.
I have to admit I rather like Spike & Joyce together myself.
05/31/2006 05:43 am
kill him spike, sort it out later. probably not the brightest move, but do it. just personal choice. love the story, thanks for the great read.
Honestly, there's part of me really want him to... As long as the knight's alive he's a threat to Dawn's safety, even if he can't do the harm himself. So far, I haven't been able to make up my mind, but I have to finish the next chapter of Unfinished Business before I can go back to this one in any case.
05/30/2006 09:57 am
That hard knock he took broke the chip...as tempting as it is, though, Buffy would stake him in a heartbeat if he killed this guy. And then, he wouldn't be able to protect Joyce and Dawn.
Time to make a choice.
Buffy might be persuaded if Spike made a good enough case for the knight being a danger to Dawn. In canon she'd be killing knights soon enough, and this one death could save all the others by keeping the knights in ignorance.
It's definitely not as simple as killing the human=evil=>stake Spike, but, yeah, it's time to make a decision.
Thank you so much for taking the time to comment. I'm glad you're enjoying it so far.
05/30/2006 08:36 am
Oh wow Spikeâ€™s chip stopped working, hopefully this will allow him to prove to Buffy that he has really changed and that it is not just the chip holding him back. I really love his and Joyceâ€™s relationship and I really like how their scene together showcased this. Iâ€™m really looking forward to this story.
Thank you, honey!
Here's hoping things work out how you want in the end. Of course, since it's Spike (and since Buffy has all her prejudices still intact) we can pretty much guarantee that it won't all be smooth sailing, but at least he has Joyce there to help point him in the right direction this time around.
05/30/2006 01:42 am
ooooo I am hooked! More please. I'm thinking the chip stopped working when Glory knocked Spike across the room....um....Buffy won't be pleased with that bit of news.
Well, there are some other options which Spike might need to rule out, but you may well be right. As for Buffy's reaction, it may take him a lttle while to tell her.
Thanks so much for taking the time to comment. I'm glad you're enjoying it.
05/30/2006 01:05 am
wow! so glory's blow disabled his chip!! wow! awesome!!hope he doesn't kill the guy, though, for the sake of his relationship with buffy and her family...loving this story so far..awesome job
Time will tell. There are actually pretty strong arguments either way, since he represents a very real threat to Dawn's safety, not just in terms of him personally, but the fact he could set the knights as a whole onto her... All of which means I haven't definitively made up my mind, yet.
Thanks again for taking the time to comment. It's appreciated.
05/29/2006 09:48 pm
Ooh. Can't wait to see what happens next. Enjoying this story immensely.
Thank you! I hope the rest of it lives up to expectations.
08/19/2006 01:13 pm
This is the first fic that I've read of yours and it looks very good. Like where you're starting from. What happened to Spike? His ear is bleeding? I'm guessing it's part of the plot, so I guess I'll see what's the what. Good read, thanks.
Thank you, honey! I guess by now you've answered most of your own questions. Glad you enjoyed it.
07/12/2006 01:10 am
awesome beginning...trying to catch up on my reading...lol, on to the next chapter!
Thanks, honey! The prologue is almost entirely canon, but I'm glad you liked my interpretation. BTW Is this Karyn a.k.a. kargrif? If it is you might discover that you didn't quite get entirely caught up. I always give readers on LJ or my own site at least a day's head start on any archives where I post, so you'll find a new chapter of Unfinished Business has been posted since you did your reading here...
05/31/2006 05:44 am
fun read, thanks. should be an enjoyable read, with such a good starting point.
Oops! Looks like this one came through twice, but thanks for being doubly encouraging.
05/31/2006 05:31 am
fun read, thanks. should be an enjoyable read, with such a good starting point.
I'll do my best to make certain that it is. Thank you! And congrats on being reviewer of the week.
05/30/2006 08:33 am
I like that you went through and reviewed some of what when on in that episode. Some of the episodes I havenâ€™t seen for so long that I forget details.
I figured that if I was having to re-watch the episode to try to get a sense of context then others might be in the same position.
Thanks for your input. I'm glad it helped. Hopefully, when the next chapter moves away from canon, you'll enjoy it too.
05/30/2006 01:00 am
poor spikey!! what did she do to him?? reading on to find out
Well, it seems by now that you've already found out, or at least got a pretty good idea.
Thanks so much for taking the rime to comment. It's greatly appreciated.
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