Love's Bitch by Eowyn315

11/28/2010 03:17 am
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Big Spuffy reading treat - like how you ended this part -  I like your Spike very much. 

Good read though! :-)
05/09/2010 12:19 pm
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:-(. Sigh. No spuffy yet
05/09/2010 12:18 pm
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sister cuervo
02/28/2009 01:47 pm
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Superb story and excellent writing.  The characterizations are spot-on and really great dialogue.  Such a tear-jerker of an ending!  Hope to see part 3 sometime soon.
Thank you! I'm glad you liked it! The third and fourth stories in this series are both completed and posted here. The third is called "Other Things the Road to Hell is Paved With" and the fourth is "Slay Bells."

pheonia
12/13/2007 06:46 am
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waahh!

this one good too.
Thanks!

sta
12/10/2007 02:46 am
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How tragic and sad. I really would like to hope that things will continue to evolve as this story continues... I will read on and continue to hope things will turn a bit brighter...
I think the thing about this series i that it gets brighter and then darker, and then brighter again... and so on. It's a pretty long story - even if I don't rewrite the whole season - so there's lots of ups and downs.

06/20/2007 06:09 am
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Since there's a part three to this, I'm not in the least bit upset. Looking forward to reading it too. It was never easy for them, so be it for now. Thanks again for sharing your wonderful stories with us.
Thanks for the review, Verda! I'm glad you enjoyed this one. It's not easy, but when they finally get together, it'll be worth it.

06/10/2007 05:31 am
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Ah, sad ending. Guess I better get up to speed on the sequel!
Yup yup! Thanks for the review!

hellbound
06/07/2007 09:39 pm
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If I didn't know there was more I'd probably be upset right now. But then again maybe not it was so well written especially Spike's thoughts at the end. The "not with me" line sorta captures the whole idea doesn't it?
Heh, I think a lot of people would've been upset if I ended it there... I'm just not ready to make 'em happy yet. :)

05/26/2007 06:21 pm
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Guh! I can't wait for the next one! I noticed this was completed here, so I was so excited to read! Amazing story! Heartbreaking and perfect. Looking forward to the next! :D
Oh, you naughty girl! I'll get caught up on the other sites eventually. :) Thanks for the review.

Deb
05/21/2007 04:18 am
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You said sequel. Yes, please!
Yep, it's already in the works - it's called "Other Things the Road to Hell is Paved With." Chapter 2 should be up sometime this week.

05/20/2007 10:14 am
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Very sad ending, completely tragic. I couldn't stop reading the story. Its 4a.m. and my eyes are still glued to the computer screen. Well done.
Hehe, I've done that, stayed up all night because I couldn't tear myself away from a good story. It's a great compliment to hear that you were that into it. :)

Deb
05/16/2007 10:56 am
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Such lovely angst that you weave in the story. Looking forward to the Sequel. I think that they are going to be sooo good together once they overcome their obstacles that you set in the way. Such fun!
Thank you for the review! I'm glad you enjoyed it!

PyroChilde
05/16/2007 02:18 am
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The end? Already? NOOOOO!!!!! :'(
All good things, my friend...

05/15/2007 03:24 pm
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awww, poor spike...could have predicted she would do that, buffy's still not reached a point where she can just allow herself to be happy...though i have to say that the dreams, combined with her past experience, are a reasonable cause for her to be uneasy about taking things any further...if it'd been just her, or just him, it'd be different, but for them to have almost the same dream...i'm guessing the first is going to show up in the next fic???
anyway, this fic has been lovely and i'm very much looking forward to seeing where you go with the next in the series :)
Yeah, I think she's got a reason to be skittish. I don't plan on bringing in the First (as a villain, I really didn't like it) - that was mostly Buffy's explanation/rationalization for the dream. But there will be plenty of other evil things to keep them busy. :) Thanks for the review! I'm glad you've enjoyed it.

zanthinegirl
05/15/2007 07:20 am
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What a perfect ending! Fluff would be so out of character for this Buffy and Spike; the angst just feels honest. It's painful, but in that good way. This Buffy and Spike have a long way to go and a lot learn. I'm hopeful that they will get there eventually though, and avoid some of the destructiveness of canon season 6.

I'm very relieved to hear that you're continuing this series though. I've become very attached to your Buffy and Spike, not to mention your Dawn! I'd like to think that the angst isn't the end for them...

Gorgeous writing here (as I've come to expect from you!) and such vivid details. The dreams were so painfully visceral. Gah!

Looking forward to the story!

Aww, thanks! I've gotten pretty attached to them, too. :) There's definitely more angst in store for them, but we'll see if we can't give them a little happiness, too.

Emily
05/15/2007 06:53 am
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Gorgeous, me dear, simply gorgeous. You have done a spectacular job with this fic, you should be very proud.
This story does feel very unresolved, and although I love the angst, I cannot deal with an ending like this... so I'm thrilled you have already starting the next update. I have no doubt in my mind that I will be checking for the sequel every day.
This particular chapter was very well written. The emotions are very clear, and I loved the small amounts of Dawn interaction you added. They were very well characterized (both the emotions and the Dawn interactions). I especially enjoyed Spike's thoughts at the end of the chapter. These particular phrases did me in: "...Spike was no Angel. No big epic story of redemption. He just loved a girl.." So nicely put, just gorgeous:D

-:love Cant wait for more:D
Thanks for the review! I don't think that, because it doesn't have a happy ending, that makes it unresolved. In fact, I toyed with ending it differently, but I really felt like Spike's reflections at the end were a conclusion to the theme - that he is Love's Bitch... and that doesn't mean he gets the girl.

I'm glad you enjoy the story so much! I really appreciate the kind comments.

05/15/2007 12:08 am
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How DARE Buffy just treat him this way in the morning. I can't believe it. But in the end he knows the type of woman she is and he is man enough to do anything to be near her. Even if that is all he gets. MAN, I really just hope that Dawn is not so disappointed... Just an awesome story. And I am glad that you had the insight to already tell me that the next story is in the works... I would have been so disappointed as well if this was it. Loved this and the last one and I can't wait to get the next.
I don't think Buffy's out of line - there are legitimate concerns, and she shouldn't be jumping headfirst into something she's not ready for. Thanks for the review!

05/14/2007 07:11 pm
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Buffy is just so...broken and confused. She's being awful to him, but we're all capable of awful for self preservation. That dream certainly didn't help either. Interesting that you're bringing in the First.
Next?
Well, *I* didn't bring in the First - Buffy did. :) Not saying that was the cause of the dream, just that it's the first connection Buffy made.

05/14/2007 04:37 am
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very good chapter and ending to this section of your tale. thank you. will leave the pitchforks hanging and the torches unlit, for now!

05/14/2007 04:36 am
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very good chapter and ending to this section of your tale. thank you. will leave the pitchforks hanging and the torches unlit, for now!

05/14/2007 03:50 am
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very good chapter and ending to this section of your tale. thank you. will leave the pitchforks hanging and the torches unlit, for now!
Thanks for the review! Glad the pitchforks won't be getting a workout this time around. :)

smlcspike
05/14/2007 12:31 am
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More please, they just have to get together.
Well, there's definitely more coming... no promises on the togetherness of them. ;)

05/13/2007 09:16 pm
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Bitter note to end this part but realistic. Buffy is, of course, a complete idiot. Spike is not Angel and never has been. Geez she might as well decide to become gay because all her "guy" experiences have been bad thus far! You don't judge one relationship by a previous one...even with a vampire.

Looking forward to the next part. Of course, Spike could just say to hell with her crap and move on to someone who would adore being loved by him. Not gonna happen though.

Glad he held her off though because she doesn't deserve his love at this point. If she can't see it worth working together to build, she's not ready.

Kathleen
Buffy's definitely not ready. She still has some hurdles ahead - but Spike's not the kind of guy to move on.

I do think she's normal, though, in judging relationships based on past ones. I think everybody does it, to some degree - there are plenty of people who are afraid to trust or to commit to someone because they've been hurt before, and they expect the same problems to repeat in other relationships. Not that that makes it *right* - but it is understandable.

05/13/2007 06:51 pm
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Completely believable ending for this Buffy, and really well done. Spike seems wise enough to realise he's on a no-winner at the moment. He should go away for a while and give her time to enjoy normal.
Thanks for the review. I think, right now, Buffy's actually at a point where "normal" isn't her priority anymore - but she's realizing that there are some things about being a Slayer that not even having a superhuman boyfriend can solve.

05/13/2007 06:28 pm
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Ah - thanks for not going with the fluffy ending. It is so much more real this way. ;)
I don't think I know how to write a fluffy ending... lol. So, I'll just have to keep tormenting them until I learn. :)

05/13/2007 06:06 pm
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Beautiful chapter, but yours always are. I have to admit when Spike choked back his tears, I was choking back mine, as well. Spike's stream of consciousness near the end (particularly the part about not being "a big epic story of redemption") was wonderfully written and very true to character. As always, I'm looking forward to more in the series ... and if anyone dares come after you with pitchforks, you know you can hide behind me. :)
Aww, thanks, dearie! Nice to hear it moved you. And you know I always appreciate a good human shield, but I think I'll be okay with this one. :)

05/13/2007 04:23 pm
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"No big epic story of redemption. He just loved a girl, and if that made him a fool, so be it."
Gorgeous line. This was a perfect ending to this installment in your series, and I can't wait for the next!
Thanks! I was hoping people would see it as the best fit for ending the story, even if it's not the happy ending they wanted. Glad you enjoyed it!

B
05/13/2007 01:50 pm
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*grabs pitchfork and flaming torch*

Oh wait... did you say there's more?

*gently puts down pictchfork and flaming torch* :P

That was beautifully written and just perfectly in character! The ending fit well- Buffy running away like always, Spike's reflections on his love and life and how he just puts up with not being loved back, because that's what he always has done.

Your whole fic, this and the last one are so well written and so in character. Enough angst to make it true to the show and the characters, but different enough from the show that it's still interesting and there's still hope there. I cannot wait for the next part.
Ha! Clearly, I dogded a bullet there. :) I felt bad about ending it there, with Spuffy seemingly dashed on the rocks, and I considered combining it with the next story (for one loooong fic). But when I got to Spike's reflection at the end, I *had* to end it there - after all, it is called Love's Bitch.

05/13/2007 12:52 pm
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That's just sad... Poor Spike!!
Poor both of them, I think...

05/13/2007 09:45 am
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No pitchforks from this direction. Buffy is being quite honest here. And, unlike earlier in the fic, she's not being monumentally insensitive. The problem with reading in installments is that one can't keep in mind all the details -- so off hand I can't recall how you developed her character to get her to this place. But it's easier to respect her in this chapter than it was in the beginning. Looking forward to the next installment.
Well, you can take this opportunity to go back and read it again. :) Short answer - I think the love spell and Spike's subsequent kicking her out gave her a lot to think about, and in sorting through her issues, she understood him a little better. Not totally, because she still pushed too far, too fast, and then ended up backing away (which he was trying to avoid), but she's definitely getting better.

kim
05/13/2007 08:29 am
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Well, he could leave now....at least for a while.

Where can they go from here, now that her mind is made up? All it'll be is painful if they're around each other, and Buffy will keep coming up with infinite reasons why she *shouldn't*. They stay around each other now, annd all it will be is awkward, and then bitter. Nothing he can do to make her look past her fears but become human...and then all she'll do is worry that he'll be killed.
The thing is - her mind is made up... for right now. But any number of things could happen to change the situation. Like in Intervention, how Buffy went from "Please let this story have a dusty ending" to "What you did was real, and I won't forget that" in the space of about 5 minutes - all because of what Spike did. So, don't look for either one of them to stay in the same mindset they're in for very long. :)

Mark Evans
05/13/2007 06:59 am
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I absolutely loved this ending!!!!!!!!! It's so real, and true to the characters, yet they didn't really ruin anything between them, just need to figure some things out. I loved this story, and I thank you for sharing it with us, even when we may have wanted to kill you just a teensy bit, lol. I can't wait for the next installment. Thank You :D ! And thank you for writing it the way you intended.
Thanks so much! I'm glad to hear how much you enjoyed it - and I'm glad you didn't kill me when you wanted to. :)

Tamara
05/13/2007 06:59 am
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I know see what you meant about the pitchforks . I'm glad that you're writing more. But I really want to smack Buffy.
Heh, I appreciate your restraint. :)

06/20/2007 05:53 am
Wounded         
I can't believe you finished this one already. I saw you posted on the night before my Dr.s appt. Didn't know at the time I wouldn't be going back home for a few more days and returning a week after that. This is the third story, that I've read, that's been finished. Wow! He is so gun shy, she keeps forgetting that this soulless vampire loves her with all that he is. Buffy Summers is going to back to school on this one.
Yeah... I'm a fast writer. :) Thanks for the review!

hellbound
06/07/2007 09:23 pm
Wounded         
Well what a nice thing to come back to after a month of real life (bleck!). I always like when Spike is the one telling Buffy no. And look at that, the last chapter, yay.
Boo to real life taking you away! Glad you're back, and thanks for the review. :)

05/12/2007 02:55 pm
Wounded         
oh, i kinda hope he stays...and yet at the same time, he's totally right...she's going to think of those things later, and it's better she gets all those things worked out for herself first before she ends up hurting him by doing the whole yo-yo thing, back and forth and all...great chapter, love, looking forward to more :)
Yeah, there's no nice and easy answer, and either way, Spike risks getting hurt. Glad you're back, and thanks for the review!

05/10/2007 11:23 pm
Wounded         
I don't know what Buffy is thinking here, but I'm hoping it turns out well.
The tension you have written here is beautifully done.
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it.

05/10/2007 09:13 pm
Wounded         
Ah, you know I was just kidding before. :P

I forgot to tell you in the last review, I like the rewrite of when she bandaged his wrist. Nicely handled. :)

Also, I love the vulnerability Buffy displayed when she buried her face in his shoulder, near the end. You're showing her softer side, now, but showing it in a realistic way. She's beginning to trust him and open up to him, and that has taken time. That's what I like about this fic ... that you take the time to let the relationship develop naturally, instead of just throwing them together for the sake of hot sex and happy reviewers.
Yes, but now I got not one, but TWO reviews out of you! ;)

Glad you liked the rewrite. And you know how I'm determined to avoid happy reviewers, lol.

zanthinegirl
05/10/2007 12:39 pm
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What gorgeous writing!

As soon as her mouth found Spike’s, Buffy knew that patrol was a lost cause. The kiss was desperate, graceless, driven by desires left pent up for far too long to bother with sweetness. For five years, they’d danced around each other, fighting their attraction with words and weapons, fists and fangs. A thousand moments – tender, sexual, bantering, violent – piling on top of one another in a never-ending spiral of tension and unfulfilled need, until it exploded in the unrestrained passion that seized them now.

You capture Buffy's ambivalence beautifully here; nicely done!

And I have such a weakness for hurt/comfort stories. Buffy bandaging Spike hits my kink!

Really enjoying this story.
Thank you! Glad you liked it... and if this hit your kink, you're gonna love the next story! ;)

05/10/2007 05:09 am
Wounded         
buffy is doing extremely well.and spike is forcing her to think things trough. excellent update, thank you.
Thanks for the review! Glad you liked it.

05/10/2007 04:39 am
Wounded         
I caught your little discussion on the tag about how I never review and in turn, don't deserve to be reviewed. So, now I'm reviewing you so you can't complain. :P

This is probably my favorite chapter so far. Not just because of the heated Spuffy kissing (although that was wonderful) but also because it was so discriptive of their feelings, the uncertainty Spike felt. It was very realistic to his character. Rocky times are probably ahead for our couple, but at least they now know that they love each other ... even if they aren't sure they can pursue it.
That's not fair. I review every chapter of yours, regardless of reciprocation, and I most certainly don't think you don't deserve to be reviewed!

But thanks for the comments...

05/09/2007 09:40 pm
Wounded         
Such a sad bittersweet moment. Can't blame Spike a bit! She's been so clear that she can't see him as a match that this HAS to feel frightening to him.

As for her "normal girl" crapola...Buffy wasn't too insistent on being normal at first. After she accepted her role as Slayer under Giles tutelage she seemed to actually enjoy her "specialness". Only when first her mom and then Angel started pushing the "Normal" agenda did she latch on it. When she was Joan she reveled in her "super powers" and specialness. Time she goes for what SHE wants for herself, not what everyone else says she needs.

Excellent.

Kathleen

05/09/2007 09:38 pm
Wounded         
Such a sad bittersweet moment. Can't blame Spike a bit! She's been so clear that she can't see him as a match that this HAS to feel frightening to him.

As for her "normal girl" crapola...Buffy wasn't too insistent on being normal at first. After she accepted her role as Slayer under Giles tutelage she seemed to actually enjoy her "specialness". Only when first her mom and then Angel started pushing the "Normal" agenda did she latch on it. When she was Joan she reveled in her "super powers" and specialness. Time she goes for what SHE wants for herself, not what everyone else says she needs.

Excellent.

Kathleen
Hmm... I haven't watched the early seasons in a while, but I don't really remember her enjoying her specialness. She was always wanting to do normal things while slaying - like dating, being a cheerleader, and running for homecoming queen. It seemed like once things got serious with Angel, she was willing to give up normal for true love. Then, when he left, she went back to wanting normal - maybe because she wanted to do what Angel wanted.

That is an interesting point about Tabula Rasa, though - Joan was definitely excited about being a superhero, and I think there's still a little of that in Buffy. Just like anyone would think super powers were cool, until they realized the burden that came along with it.

Thanks for the review!

05/09/2007 06:00 pm
Wounded         
GO SPIKE for trying to think this through. I can't imagine having to push her away knowing that this is just the crumb you have been looking for. Awesome chapter.
Yeah... it's gotta be incredibly hard for him, but he's doing the right thing...

05/09/2007 04:35 pm
Wounded         
I adored that chapter, absolutely adored it. It was pretty heartbreaking, but in a good way. Spike's right to question it, and it's perfectly in character for both of them. Now its up to her whether she can think it over and still want to be with him.

Cannot wait for more, this is seriously one of my favourite fics, especially season6 fics. Wish the show had gone this way!
Thanks, I'm so glad you enjoyed it. I think "heartbreaking in a good way" is kind of my M.O. :)

05/09/2007 03:09 pm
Wounded         
"Even when she uprooted a mailbox and impaled the demon with it, he couldn’t help feeling turned on."

lol!

I absolutely ADORED this chapter! It's got some beautiful writing in it and think it's quite possibly my favorite chapter yet! ;)
Aww, thanks! I appreciate the sweet comments. :)

05/09/2007 01:07 pm
Wounded         
Ah - heartbreaking. Poor Spike.
he kiss was desperate, graceless, driven by desires left pent up for far too long to bother with sweetness. I love this line. Another one of those perceptive observations that you pop up with here and there. :)
Thanks! :) It took me a while to hit on that line, but once I did, it just clicked. Glad you liked it!

LadyYashka
05/09/2007 12:54 pm
Wounded         
Wonderful chapter Eowyn! I loved how you had Spike being the responsible one. I truely think if they had slept together, Buffy would have ended up regretting it.

Great job and I'm looking forward to the next update. :)
Thank you! I think Spike is the responsible one because - even though they're both pretty impulsive - Spike has more at stake with his emotions, so he's thinking more carefully. Glad you liked the chap!

kim
05/09/2007 04:22 am
Wounded         
Poor Spike.....I'm so proud of him for standing up for his own feelings, though.
Yeah, it's good that he's not letting Buffy walk all over him. :)

smlcspike
05/09/2007 02:53 am
Wounded         
oh that was sad, I hope they can work it out.
There's always hope... :)

05/09/2007 02:34 am
Wounded         
LOVED this chapter. I love how subtly different you've made Spike and Buffy here, versus their counterparts on the show...enough that they're able to talk intelligently about things. Thanks for a great update.
Thanks, Alia! I'm glad you liked it.

infinitecrisis
05/09/2007 01:40 am
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It's a good thing that Spike is being a thoughtful one and cautious of any consequence of Buffy's actions. I am hoping Buffy stop giving in to peer pressure. She is bloody 20 Years old (before season 6th birthday).. if I am not mistaken. Anyway, regardless of that, she shouldn't be ordered around by her friends. Please update some more..! thanks!

infinitecrisis
05/09/2007 01:40 am
Wounded         
It's a good thing that Spike is being a thoughtful one and cautious of any consequence of Buffy's actions. I am hoping Buffy stop giving in to peer pressure. She is bloody 20 Years old (before season 6th birthday).. if I am not mistaken. Anyway, regardless of that, she shouldn't be ordered around by her friends. Please update some more..! thanks!
I think Buffy lets herself be ordered around by her friends because she still feels guilty about Angel. She's made mistakes that get other people killed, so she thinks they deserve to have a say in her life. Just another one of those issues she's gotta get over eventually....

Mark Evans
05/09/2007 01:23 am
Wounded         
As much as I'd love them to get together, I'm glad that it's going slow, and that Spike's actually thinking. I want things to work for them, and for that to happen, discussion has to happen between them. We wouldn't want a repeat of season 6, with all the hiding and sneaking around. Thanks for the wonderful chapter :D .
I've never been able to see the two of them getting together without a lot of hard work... so I don't make it easy for my characters. Glad you enjoyed the chapter!

05/09/2007 01:01 am
Wounded         
I don't blame him for being gun shy - but Buffy seems to have the right idea.
Yeah, it's a very delicate situation - Spike's trying really hard to avoid getting hurt by her.

05/20/2007 09:49 am
Too Far         
Fantastic, and wonderfully done.
Thanks! I appreciate all the reviews. :)

05/07/2007 10:28 pm
Too Far         
At last!! God I hope this goes okay -- too soon for another total smackdown. They have a chance to sort things out here, if only they'd be honest with each other!
Glad you liked it! These two have had a rough time of it - it'll take a lot of sorting before they can really make it okay.

05/06/2007 05:51 am
Too Far         
As we all cheer! About time she figured it out. Had to have that conversation with herself and Dawn to put things into perspective. Great chapter, thanks.
Heh, I think this is the chap everyone's been waiting for. Glad you liked it.

05/06/2007 02:51 am
Too Far         
lovely read, thank you. a bit concern about dawn. great deal of conversation about her staying alone.
Thanks for the review!

smlcspike
05/05/2007 11:39 pm
Too Far         
Finally a kiss for Spike. PLease don't let her do what she did on the show.
Won't be quite like that...

05/05/2007 06:21 pm
Too Far         
ooh - I liked it! Great way for them to get together. A little dance, then...maybe they can talk this thing out.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

sour
05/05/2007 05:32 pm
Too Far         
great update, can't wait to read more
Thanks for the review!

B
05/05/2007 03:35 pm
Too Far         
Very nice chapter! Loved it (and the last few that I hadn't got round to reviewing.). And yay a Spuffy kiss! :)

Though I'm still worried about Dawn now. If Dawn gets captured/injured while Buffy is kissing Spike (and when she was stupid enough to leave her alone) that's only going to lead to guilt and badness! But maybe I'm being paranoid...(I blame Joss for that, you come to always look for the bad when something good happens!)

Anyhow, great chapter, great story, cannot wait for more. :)
Heh, everyone's all worried about Dawn. Just relax and enjoy the kissing. :) Thanks for the review!

05/05/2007 02:37 pm
Too Far         
I hope Buffy isn't a total bitch to Spike afterwards, like always.
Me too... but then, it is Buffy...

time of change
05/05/2007 02:09 pm
Too Far         
Wheeee!
That sounds like a good thing. :)

05/05/2007 08:47 am
Too Far         
Beware the power of Spike's lips and kisses. They will render the Slayer senseless, eventually!

Hehe, Buffy better watch out!

Dirktavian
05/05/2007 08:20 am
Too Far         
Very nicely done!! I think this is my favorite chapter so far. Too bad that Buffy isn't so good with the verbage, because the thoughts about the soul, and Angel, and how she wanted Spike to fight for her were so very bitter-sweet and moving. Loved the way she's all "Action Girl," telling Spike with her body and eyes what she can't with words. More soon, please!
Thanks! I'm so glad you enjoyed it. Buffy may not be good with the words, but she gets her message across... :)

Tamara
05/05/2007 05:24 am
Too Far         
She came this close to dealing with her Angel issues.
Yeah, she's close... I think she's doing pretty well, all things considered.

Emily
05/05/2007 04:18 am
Too Far         
Hee! =D
Smoochies'll do that to ya... ;)

infinitecrisis
05/05/2007 03:42 am
Too Far         
uh oh, kissing might lead to no good. more deny, more fighting, more battery and such. too fast physical connection without emotional always leads to no good. however, more story to tell. i'm hoping spike not going to run his mouth off with "join the dark" "creature of of the dark" etc.. keep going, great chapter.
Well, kissing can lead to no good, but this Buffy and Spike are a little different from the show, so I think they're looking at a different road. Thanks for the review!

05/05/2007 03:06 am
Too Far         
Would it be bad to say that my first thought after reading the last of this chapter was "Oh Lord, she's going to break his heart."

Then again, knowing you things are not about to go smoothly. :P

Great update, and I'm looking forward to the next.
Knowing me... Well, you're not wrong. *ducks*

FANGFACEANDREA
05/05/2007 02:51 am
Too Far         
FINALY! ;D
Yep. :) Think it was time?

05/05/2007 02:48 am
Too Far         
wow...thatta girl, buffy :) i'm grinning so big right now, so happy about the way that played out...i think talking to dawn about it kind of helped her put it in perspective... :P great chapter, love :)
Thanks! Glad I could put a smile on your face... I have the feeling this chapter made a lot of people happy. :)

zanthinegirl
05/05/2007 02:35 am
Too Far         
Heh, I suspected that kiss was coming soon!

Nice to see Buffy being more honest with herself, though I doubt she's completely resolved things in her own head quite yet!

Nice look at Spike; very credible motivations & actions.

Really enjoying this story!
Thanks for the review! I'm glad you liked it. I figured y'all deserved a nice kiss. :)

hellbound
05/05/2007 02:05 am
Too Far         
Pretty pretty chapter. And, no, not just for kissing. The whole thing was really well written. Its one of the very best views of Buffy-thought I've read.

Of course, now I'm terrified you've decided to dangle that tasty looking carrot a little closer, and maybe with some ranch, but its still just out of reach.
Wow, thanks, hellbound! I appreciate the sweet review.

Oh, and about that carrot thing? Uh... here, have some dip... *runs away*

05/05/2007 01:52 am
Too Far         
THIS was a perfect payoff....a perfect chapter. They are both so very in character (Dawn too). Buffy FINALLY seeing her own heart and even dancing on the edge of her Angel issues just in time. Spike standing up for himself and underlining Buffy's new realization by making her realize he might just have limits after all. Excellent all round.

Kathleen
I think it'll take a while for her to really get over the Angel issues, but it's a step in the right direction...

Thanks for the review, I'm so glad you liked it!

Pam S
05/05/2007 01:30 am
Too Far         
Make up your mind Buffy...
She's trying...

kim
05/05/2007 01:28 am
Too Far         
Okay, so she gave into the attraction after a good slaying......but will she run when the adrenaline wears off? She's still been living in fear too much.

Gotta love teenage loyalty. :)
That remains to be seen, doesn't it?

05/05/2007 12:24 am
Too Far         
Happy day, happy day, happy happy happy day. Can't wait to see the ensuing kissage!
Hmm, might you be happy about this latest development? ;)

Mark Evans
05/05/2007 12:01 am
Too Far         
What an ending, lol. Thanks for the wonderful chapter. I'm sure you've made many people happy today :D .
Oh, I'm sure... I think this is what people have been waiting for. :) Thanks for the review!

06/10/2007 05:21 am
Connections         
“As opposed to the less popular ‘hang out with a dead student’ thing,” replied the Slayer.

Xander looked up. “You know, if it were any other town, that would be funny.”


hee!
:)

05/03/2007 11:10 pm
Connections         
oh brother. droping the issue that Willow is manipulating people with magic is one thing, but leaving Dawn home alone raises Buffy to a whole 'nother level of stupidity.
And weren't there TWO demon attacks at her house?
I don't think Willow's to blame (this time) for the spell, and they did mention that the house was warded, so Buffy shouldn't have to worry about Dawn.

And yes, there were two demon attacks at her house, but only the second one was tied to their mystery bad guy.

05/02/2007 05:23 pm
Connections         
I think I want to hit Buffy over the head right now. Blah blah blah NORMAL blah blahhdy blah feel my pain. GRRRR
Well, like I said in an earlier review, I think Buffy has a pretty good reason for wanting to be normal, and it's not going to be easy for her to let go of.

infinitecrisis
05/02/2007 07:54 am
Connections         
is this going to be a long story? it's going to take a lot of works to have Buffy falls for Spike, or never will.. maybe a trilogy or something later.. hopefully.. thanks!
Is it gonna be long? Oh, goodness gracious, yes! This particular story is almost finished, but I've got it plotted to be a 6-story series. (Don't worry, I won't wait that long for Buffy and Spike to get together, lol.) There will be some back and forthing on the I like you/I hate you/I want you but we can never be together, but they won't be together for good until after the first major arc (the demon summoner) is resolved.

zanthinegirl
05/02/2007 06:51 am
Connections         
Always thrilled to see you've updated!

Great chapter. Nice transition here; and good look at the scoobies at work. Really enjoying watching the plot unfold!

Poor Buffy. I'd feel pretty awkward around Spike for a while, too!
Thanks for the review! I'm glad you enjoyed it.

05/02/2007 05:30 am
Connections         
Nice friendship moments there.
Thank you! Glad you liked it.

05/01/2007 08:46 pm
Connections         
very good chapter, thank you. nice to see buffy reach the “I don’t know” stage.
Thanks! It's about time, don't you think?

05/01/2007 06:20 pm
Connections         
Yes and being an astronaut is so very normal too, Buffy *G*.

I can sort of see her point but still her view of "normal" is so off the mark not to mention impossible for her ever.

Excellent update. Glad she found out Spike really WAS trying to stop the unwanted feelings.

Kathleen
Haha - I think the comparison was more about things you want but can't have... ;)

The thing about Buffy is that she's always been the reluctant hero, to some extent. I think that's part of her resistance - you know how being forced to do something, or given an ultimatum, almost always makes you want to do the opposite? All of her friends made the choice to fight evil with her - Buffy was chosen. She just wanted to be a cheerleader and homecoming queen.

So, until she accepts being the Slayer as part of who she is, and not something that was forced on her, I don't think she's ever going to stop wanting to be normal.

05/01/2007 06:06 pm
Connections         
Willow's being a great BFF, so supportive and all. So happy she broke it off with Jacob, of course. It will be interesting to see who's behind all this mayhem against Buffy. Hey, she's at least looking at Spike as something more. Great work, thanks. Guess it's a good thing he didn't complete that spell after all.
I thought the Jacob dumpage would be popular, lol. I won't be giving out many answers on the mayhem - it's going to be sort of like the season-long Big Bad, and will come to a conclusion in (probably) the fourth story in the series. Gotta keep you reading, right? ;)

05/01/2007 05:48 pm
Connections         
I'm glad Buffy sort of admittet what had happened with Spike to Willow, and that she was understanding.
I think it's hard for Buffy to talk about, but it's good that she's confiding in Willow, at least.

Mali
05/01/2007 11:47 am
Connections         
Yeah.. Willow the Astronaut =PPP/ Watch out, Gagarin!
This is actually my secret way of setting up a Firefly crossover - Willow in Space. ;)

Deb
05/01/2007 10:59 am
Connections         
I love this fic! You've got such a great handle on Buffy's frustration and quagmire of emotions; Willow's "helpful" magics; Tara's compassion; Xander's annoying bias; Anya's thoughtless directive; Dawn's perkiness; and a fabulous handle on Spike's passionate emotions. There's enough plot twists and action to keep us interested in more than just the relationship follies. Do love the Spuffy though, and you've got us angsting pretty hard. Excellent work. Can't wait to see your updates.
Thanks for the lovely review! I'm glad you like the story. I try to make it feel like you're reading the show, so I appreciate your comments. :)

05/01/2007 10:24 am
Connections         
Good for Willow, owning up like that.
She's not all bad. :)

Dirktavian
05/01/2007 08:17 am
Connections         
Brilliant update!
Why, thank you! :)

hellbound
05/01/2007 07:07 am
Connections         
Oh. Plot. I'd almost forgotten about that. I like plot. It means oppurtunities for Spike to be the hero. The Buffy-pity is a little thick in this chapter. I sorta wanna smack the girl, not 'cause I don't sympathize but, geeze, melodramatic much? But Willow/Buffy bonding, yay! I always thought that there should have been more of that in season six. Especially since they were determined to draw that crazy addiction parallel between them.
Yep, plot. It's that thing that usually attacks in bunny form... I'm a big fan. :)

Mark Evans
05/01/2007 05:13 am
Connections         
I'm glad that in your fic, you've explored Buffy and Willow's friendship. Tara was cool as a replacement friend for Buffy, but I didn't like how the show never explored the problems with Buffy and Willow's friendship. Things weren't the same between them after Willow brought Buffy back, and the show never confronted those issues. I like how you've faced the problems, and allowed them to move on as best as could be expected. Thank you for this chapter :) .
I always liked the Buffy/Willow friendship - they had some really great, honest moments in the early seasons, but you're right, they brought up a TON of issues from season 4 onward that never got addressed. Thanks for the review!

time of change
05/01/2007 04:15 am
Connections         
I'm enjoying this so much.
Thanks! I'm glad to hear it. :)

kim
05/01/2007 04:09 am
Connections         
Thanks, Willow!

And why am I thinking that something really bad will go after Dawn?
Well, you're not the only one. Guess we'll have to see...

Emily
05/01/2007 02:52 am
Connections         
I have a bad feeling about Dawn being left by herself....
Hmmm.... ;)

smlcspike
05/01/2007 02:02 am
Connections         
So are we going to get more Spuffy soon, more please.
There might be some Spuffy soon. ;)

05/01/2007 01:58 am
Connections         
It's nice to see a less touchy, more understanding Willow. And, now that she's admitted that Spike hadn't lied about what the spell was supposed to do...
Yep, Willow's there to vouch for Spike - although I don't think Buffy ever really doubted him. I think she was mostly just freaked out about the consequences. Thanks for the review!

05/01/2007 01:55 am
Connections         
I really, really loved this chapter. Readers can get so mad at Buffy for not seeing how perfect Spike is for her, but it would actually be pretty bizarre if she just waltzed off into the sunset with him. You've given us one of the reasons why: she's dreamed of a "normal" life for so long, and she has to mourn the loss of that dream as much as she had to mourn the loss of heaven. Lovely work!
It would be pretty bizarre... and I'm always suspicious of fics where it just works out happily ever after with no obstacles. Suffice to say, my Spuffy will have *plenty* of obstacles. :) Thanks for the review!

05/01/2007 01:13 am
Connections         
yay cute Budffy Willow moment .
Thanks, glad you liked it.

05/01/2007 12:57 am
Connections         
oh i hope she's right about dawn, but something tells me she's not *sigh* great chapter, great job of expressing where buffy's at emotionally right now...excellent work, and i'm looking forward to the next chappie, love ;)
Thank you, dear! The major Buffy introspective seemed necessary, in light of all the Buffy hate. :) Glad you enjoyed it.

06/10/2007 05:17 am
The Downside of Clarity         
Good chapter.
Thanks for the review!

05/20/2007 09:25 am
The Downside of Clarity         
Love it ^_^ Great chapter. Very emotional.
Thank you! :)

infinitecrisis
04/29/2007 09:14 pm
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i am hoping this chapter is a beginning for a fresher less bitchy buffy. thanks.
Thanks for the review!

PyroChilde
04/29/2007 01:57 am
The Downside of Clarity         
Awesome write! I really love the little sisterly bonding moment there at the end. I wish Buffy would talk to Dawn more. It's not like she's some little kid. Also, what IS that song? It sounds really good, I'd love to hear it. This chapter was just...awesome. I'm glad that Buffy has really been forced to think.
Thank you! The song is In the Sun by Joseph Arthur. I absolutely love it. I'm glad you enjoyed the chapter.

nmcil
04/28/2007 07:02 am
The Downside of Clarity         
Great Chapter - thanks much for the update -
Thanks! Glad you liked it.

Emily
04/28/2007 04:32 am
The Downside of Clarity         
Perfect ending to a great chapter. Super job:D
Thanks! Glad you liked it.

04/28/2007 12:48 am
The Downside of Clarity         
Buffy's really struggling with her feelings in this one...but it seems like her empathy for Spike is growing. "But this – it was awful, knowing that that was how Spike felt about her all of the time, that the way she’d reacted under the spell was what he longed for from her." Lovely chapter, as always! Alia
I think the spell gave her a sense of what Spike feels for her - and also opened her up to the possibility of feelings towards *him*. Glad you liked the chap! Thanks for the review.

04/28/2007 12:28 am
The Downside of Clarity         
I like the newer, more mature Dawn. Now if she could teach some of it to Buffy.
I have a love/hate relationship with Dawn. :) I love her at times (like most scenes with Spike) but she can drive me up the wall with the whiny. So I tend to write her a bit more mature - she is fifteen, after all, she's not a child.

hellbound
04/28/2007 12:20 am
The Downside of Clarity         
I knew those SAT scores weren't a fluke. She does have a brain! And, hey, she's using it. Now if she could just get over this idea that Angel and Spike and any other vamp are interchangeable, it'd be perfect. Or at least happier all 'round.
Also, the bit with Dawn at the end, that was nice. And I don't like Dawn so go you.
You know, those analogy questions are NEVER applicable to real life! But yes, Buffy is a wee bit smarter than we give her credit for. And glad you liked Dawn. :)

04/27/2007 11:31 pm
The Downside of Clarity         
uh-oh.
Is it TARA that's summoning demons? I'd never thought of her. But that might just be a red herring, too.
Can't wait to see where you go.
Heh... that's what my beta said! Thanks for the review!

04/27/2007 11:19 pm
The Downside of Clarity         
marvelous balance to the last chapter. so sure buffy sees many of the things angry spike mentioned as true. dawn's hug was well timed, and needed. thanks for another very good read.
Thanks for the review! I think Buffy and Spike actually had similar views on what happened between them. Now if only they could talk it out...

zanthinegirl
04/27/2007 09:15 pm
The Downside of Clarity         
Fascinating, nuanced look at Buffy in this chapter. She's been trying *so* hard to pretend, and reality just keeps sneaking in there. I sort of wanted to smack her after the last chapter, but you do a beautiful job of getting into her head in this installment! I'm with Dawn; someone needs to give that girl a hug!

He’d also shattered her illusions. She couldn’t pretend that everything was okay. She couldn’t pretend that she and Spike were just friends, and that his feelings for her were just a harmless crush. And she couldn’t pretend that things would be okay if she kept her secret double life from anyone close to her.

Yep!
Thank you! I'm glad you liked it. Buffy's head can be a scary place to be, but it really was necessary to tone down the hate she's been getting lately. :)

fangfaceandrea
04/27/2007 07:44 pm
The Downside of Clarity         
I'm feeling really sorry for both of them right now. But Buffy needed to know she can't play friends with someone who loves her specially if she's not ready to admit That Spike is more to her than a firendly asset.
It's always hard to find that balance between being friends with someone who wants more, and leading them on or using them. I think Buffy just figured that out.

04/27/2007 06:38 pm
The Downside of Clarity         
sometimes little sisters can be nice :)....
as for spike's spell, i still don't feel like it amounted to near-rape...not when it was accidental...he didn't mean to do it, didn't mean to make her feel those things, and the impression i got was that the blue stuff being all over both of them sort of made *both* of them lose control...so it wasn't as if he was totally in control and taking advantage when he knew she wasn't herself...
i don't know, i just don't see it as really anyone's fault, it was an accident...if he wanted to use magic to make himself no longer in love with her, that was his business...and what happened beyond that was accidental...
i understand buffy's feelings better, though, after this chapter...i can see why she'd be so hurt and offended...i just hope they can work this out before they're both heart-broken and alone...
great chapter, love, and i'm really loving this fic :)
*hugs*
DoS
I'm glad you have a better sense of what Buffy's going through - it seemed like everybody came away with sympathy for Spike, but not many people really understood where Buffy was coming from, which is why the discussion seemed to turn into trying to blame Spike and make Buffy a victim. I think Spike does carry more responsibility for what happened than just "an accident" - but they are both hurt and they've got a lot of crap to work through. Thanks for the review!

04/27/2007 05:26 pm
The Downside of Clarity         
Great song choice. Wondering what she said to Jacob. She does have a lot of decisions to make. Spike is a big part of her life, no matter how much she tries to deny it. The Witches help some but no one can replace someone that fights every day by her side. Glad Spike put his foot down. He deserves whatever peace he can get. Thanks for updating this, Love it.
Thank you! Glad you liked the song. Buffy's got a lot of growing to do before she can really appreciate Spike... we'll see how she does with it.

04/27/2007 01:04 pm
The Downside of Clarity         
Another thought about Buffy and her eternal quest for normal.....

Aside from her relationship with Spike , I thought it was interesting that the things that were "killing" Buffy in S6 were the NORMAL problems!!!!! The bills, the responsibiities, becoming an instant mom to a teen, the dead end job, the sense of failure and hopelessness that comes from unfulfilled dreams...none of those were because she was a Slayer or because she was involved with a vampire. All those things were the "Normal" fabric of life! She had lots of reason to be crushed by them mind you....she was so young for all that.

The only things that elevated her from the oppression of all that crushing normal was her times doing her duty as Slayer and her times in Spikes embrace!

THIS Buffy doesn't get it any more than the on screen S6 one did *G*.

Kathleen
I think that's a very astute observation in season 6... wasn't that kind of Joss's "theme" of sorts for that season, that the mundane things can be just as painful as the world-ending stuff? That was why the villains were so juvenile, Buffy's problems were all normal, etc.

Anyway, I think that's less true in this story, because she's not quite as crushed by the normal life stuff. But regardless of whether it's good for her, "normal" is something she wants so badly that it kills her to give it up - and Spike represents that, which makes it that much harder for her to love him.

04/27/2007 12:55 pm
The Downside of Clarity         
The negatives always come back to Angel don't they? Too bad Buffy had such a hard time seeing beyond the only thing Angel and Spike had in common....being a successful vampire....to seeing the differences in personalities that made the circumstances totally different. Another thing she forgot was that she was willing to continue on with Angel...even after the whole Angelus episode...if the soul would have just stayed put! HIS being a vampire wasn't the issue, just the kind of vampire he was without the soul.

Excellent update.

Kathleen
Buffy won't ever really understand Angel or vampires in general until she gets over the soul thing - but Spike and Tara were right on the money a couple chapters ago, when they said she can't give that up. If vampires can love without a soul, and if Angel and Angelus were essentially the same person, then why didn't he love her when he lost his soul? If it wasn't because of the soul, then she has to admit there was something wrong in their relationship.

sour
04/27/2007 12:42 pm
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great update, can't wait to read more.
Thanks, sour!

smlcspike
04/27/2007 12:19 pm
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OH I love it, did she break up with Jacob, she needs to stop letting her friends rule her.
You'll just have to wait and see. :) Thanks for the review.

kim
04/27/2007 11:21 am
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Dawn's smarter than she's given credit for.

Oh, Buffy....you make life a lot harder on yourself than necessary. I'm reminded of that Next Generation episode where the Dr. had been thinking about loss when trapped in a dimensional bubble, and so the world she saw kept getting smaller and smaller as she lost more people because the bubble was collapsing. Buffy would create the same world for herself, except that it wouldn't just be from temporary contemplation.

And when is she going to figure out that it didn't work with Angel because he was Angel?! It was a character problem, not a vampire problem.
Hmm... I've never seen that episode, but it kinda seems to fit.

As for the Angel thing - she puts him on a pedestal, the immaculate "first love." So, she's literally incapable of seeing his flaws. Any problems they had must be because he was a vampire, because there wasn't anything else wrong with him in her eyes. Not sure if she'll ever get over that... but if she can, Spike's the guy to show her.

04/27/2007 10:27 am
The Downside of Clarity         
It's another big dose of poor me, for Buffy then? You really know how to wind me up!! Top chapter!
Well, I was trying to make people understand how she felt... guess I didn't do a good job of evoking sympathy with you...

04/27/2007 06:55 am
The Downside of Clarity         
Another good chapter -- thanks! You paint a strong picture of Buffy's mixed emotions. And she does see something in him after all. Yay.

To go back to the rape thing, Lady Yashka has already spelled out my own reply. I'll repeat it. Spike was under the spell too. If the spell hadn't been broken in time, she would have felt violated. And he would have been totally in despair about it. Don't you think? I think it would be pretty horrible to have sex with the person of your dreams only to find out that you were both under a spell and that the person you were with hated that it had happened. You have conceded that if he weren't under the spell he wouldn't have gone with the flow. Given that, I'm not sure why you portray her as the only victim here.

This is not to say that Spike isn't responsible for doing the spell. And since he's Mr. "magic always has consequences" guy, he does bear the responsibility. But your comparisons aren't apt. Willow's bad spells were doing more or less what she wanted them to do (the resurrection, the mind-wipes). The comparison with Xander is more apt. But a) I don't think Xander is a murderer. He didn't intend those deaths. So I likewise don't think Spike is a near-rapist here. and b) with respect to the responsibility for unintended consequences: multiple dead bodies is worse than a near act of sexual intercourse between two parties neither of whom have a choice.

But you capture well Buffy's response, which is to think of how it affected her, and to not recognize that Spike was as much under the spell as she was. Buffy has many admirable traits, but the ability to see things from the perspective of others isn't one of them.

You're a good writer, and like LY I hope you don't take this as negative feedback. You are portraying the characters well. I'm not sure I want Spike to end up with your Buffy, but that doesn't mean that you aren't doing a terrific job of developing the characters or writing a terrific story.
Geez, where do you people find the time to write these long arguments? I think this chapter is gonna be the last time I go through all this, because honestly, I'm writing a fiction story, not a dissertation.

With that said, you basically agreed that Buffy would feel raped if the spell hadn't been broken in time. Just because Spike would feel bad about it doesn't make it less wrong. I'm not saying it wouldn't be a horrible experience for him, too - but people didn't seem to be identifying with the extent to which Buffy would feel violated, calling her a bitch and blaming her for making Spike feel bad, when it wasn't her fault at ALL. So if it seems like I'm arguing for Buffy sympathy and Spike blame, that's why.

I do think there is a Willow comparison to be made - what about her "will be done" spell, which did a LOT of damage (blinded Giles, and almost got everyone killed by the demons chasing Xander)? That wasn't at all what she intended, and in fact, she was doing the same thing Spike was - trying to get rid of her emotions. Also, the mind-wiping in Tabula Rasa was NOT what she was going for - she wanted Buffy to forget being in heaven, and Tara to forget their fight, not for everyone to lose their memories entirely. And again, that almost got everyone killed because they didn't know how to fight vampires.

Even if you don't call Xander a murderer, or Willow a near-murderer, the fact still remains that plenty of people have lambasted those characters for not taking responsibility for their actions, which caused/could have caused serious harm. But when Spike DOES take similar responsibility, the overwhelming response is, "It wasn't his fault." I just don't get that.

04/27/2007 06:44 am
The Downside of Clarity         
Another good chapter -- thanks! You paint a strong picture of Buffy's mixed emotions. And she does see something in him after all. Yay.

To go back to the rape thing, Lady Yashka has already spelled out my own reply. I'll repeat it. Spike was under the spell too. If the spell hadn't been broken in time, she would have felt violated. And he would have been totally in despair about it. Don't you think? I think it would be pretty horrible to have sex with the person of your dreams only to find out that you were both under a spell and that the person you were with hated that it had happened. You have conceded that if he weren't under the spell he wouldn't have gone with the flow. Given that, I'm not sure why you portray her as the only victim here.

This is not to say that Spike isn't responsible for doing the spell. And since he's Mr. "magic always has consequences" guy, he does bear the responsibility. But your comparisons aren't apt. Willow's bad spells were doing more or less what she wanted them to do (the resurrection, the mind-wipes). The comparison with Xander is more apt. But a) I don't think Xander is a murderer. He didn't intend those deaths. So I likewise don't think Spike is a near-rapist here. and b) with respect to the responsibility for unintended consequences: multiple dead bodies is worse than a near act of sexual intercourse between two parties neither of whom have a choice.

But you capture well Buffy's response, which is to think of how it affected her, and to not recognize that Spike was as much under the spell as she was. Buffy has many admirable traits, but the ability to see things from the perspective of others isn't one of them.

You're a good writer, and like LY I hope you don't take this as negative feedback. You are portraying the characters well. I'm not sure I want Spike to end up with your Buffy, but that doesn't mean that you aren't doing a terrific job of developing the characters or writing a terrific story.
Geez, where do you people find the time to write these long arguments? I think this chapter is gonna be the last time I go through all this, because honestly, I'm writing a fiction story, not a dissertation.

With that said, you basically agreed that Buffy would feel raped if the spell hadn't been broken in time. Just because Spike would feel bad about it doesn't make it less wrong. I'm not saying it wouldn't be a horrible experience for him, too - but people didn't seem to be identifying with the extent to which Buffy would feel violated, calling her a bitch and blaming her for making Spike feel bad, when it wasn't her fault at ALL. So if it seems like I'm arguing for Buffy sympathy and Spike blame, that's why.

I do think there is a Willow comparison to be made - what about her "will be done" spell, which did a LOT of damage (blinded Giles, and almost got everyone killed by the demons chasing Xander)? That wasn't at all what she intended, and in fact, she was doing the same thing Spike was - trying to get rid of her emotions. Also, the mind-wiping in Tabula Rasa was NOT what she was going for - she wanted Buffy to forget being in heaven, and Tara to forget their fight, not for everyone to lose their memories entirely. And again, that almost got everyone killed because they didn't know how to fight vampires.

Even if you don't call Xander a murderer, or Willow a near-murderer, the fact still remains that plenty of people have lambasted those characters for not taking responsibility for their actions, which caused/could have caused serious harm. But when Spike DOES take similar responsibility, the overwhelming response is, "It wasn't his fault." I just don't get that.

LadyYashka
04/27/2007 04:45 am
The Downside of Clarity         
"She’d wanted to be just friends – to keep him tethered, but at a distance."

In my opinion, this would be why most people are not very sympathetic to Buffy in this story.

Buffy knew Spike was in love with her, but still wanted to "be friends" and talk about the new guy she was dating. She wanted Spike to baby-sit Dawn while she was out on her date, patrol for her when she was "busy with her boyfriend", risk his life for her and her sister, but have no chance of ever getting her love. Buffy expected Spike to be perfectly alright with this arrangement, because it wouldn't "complicate" her "normal life."

And on a side note-wouldn't the spell Spike performed affect them both? You have it written like it only affected Buffy, and because of this she's the wronged party. I'm just really confused. The spell went wrong, and yes, Spike shouldn't have tried to have one done, but it backfired on him too. Overall it was an accident.
I'm not questioning why Buffy was upset, her reaction was very in character for her. I guess I just don't see it the way you've implied it. I don't know. :shrug:

I still love this story, and you've done a beautiful job of writing it. I don't want you to think I'm being too harsh. (cause if it comes across that way, let me know. I certainly don't intend for it too.) I just wanted to explain how I saw things.

Still wonderful story, and even with the urge to slap Buffy, I still wouldn't want you to change a thing.
I can understand why that would make people a little unsympathetic - but I also see it from Buffy's point of view. She needs him in the group, because he fills a role that no one else can, but she's not going to indulge his feelings for her (feelings she doesn't think she returns) just because she needs a babysitter. If he was uncomfortable with that arrangement, he should have said something (especially knowing how clueless Buffy is). But he never does, because HE has (up until the last chapter) made the choice that being tortured witnessing her "normal" life is better than not being around her at all. We'll see how it works out when he decides to walk away.

As for the spell, it did affect them both - but it affected Buffy MUCH more. Consider the starting point: Spike is already about as in love with Buffy as a guy could get. What more could a love spell really do? But Buffy, who either doesn't have or won't admit feelings for Spike, is suddenly head-over-heels for him - that's a huge loss of free will. To some extent, they both lost control over their emotions, but Spike was doing what he wanted to do, but had always held back because it was inappropriate, whereas Buffy was doing something she definitely did not want to do. That's why I see Buffy as the victim.

Tamara
04/27/2007 04:25 am
The Downside of Clarity         
Buffy's illusions needed shattering.And thinking that trying to maintain a relationship with someone who wasn't part of the supernatural world without them finding out would be uncomplicated is just delusional.
Yeah, but that's such a hard thing to accept. For a girl who wanted nothing more than to be normal, to finally give up that dream would be really depressing - like wanting to be a doctor your entire life, and getting to college and flunking organic chemistry (not that I did that or anything, lol).

Mark Evans
04/27/2007 04:10 am
The Downside of Clarity         
Poor Buffy, it seems that things are difficult for everyone, lol. I love your writing so much. You capture Joss' characters so well. Thank you for sharing this story with us :) .
Thanks! I was hoping this chapter would show a little more of Buffy's side of things. Glad you liked it!

05/20/2007 09:01 am
Déjà Vu         
Very strong scene, there. Somehow I knew that Willow's spell would blow up a bit. I'm anxious to see what happens, if Buffy will tell the scoobies, or what Spike will do. Very nice way to build up the drama, and the tense situation.
Thanks so much, TC! Glad you enjoyed it.

04/29/2007 08:55 pm
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poor poor Spike, couldn't be allowed to love someone, now...stopped from trying not to love someone, either way it is a lose/lose for Spike. What does it take to have a love for him on this earth? I am hoping for an epic scene to open Buffy eyes.
That's why we call him love's bitch. But maybe Buffy's eyes are starting to open...

infinitecrisis
04/29/2007 08:54 pm
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poor poor Spike, couldn't be allowed to love someone, now...stopped from trying not to love someone, either way it is a lose/lose for Spike. What does it take to have a love for him on this earth? I am hoping a epic scene to open Buffy eyes.
Well, there's a reason he's love's bitch... but Buffy opening her eyes may not be too far off. :)

04/27/2007 02:10 am
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I never even considered him using another spell, and that's why. A good way for him to have her out of his life. Let her see it for herself that she needs to leave him alone. She can't keep him on a string, at her beckon call. In a way she has used all her friends like that. Jump when the slayer says jump. She may not be a cheerleader anymore but she still has her groupies. Excellent chapter, thanks.
I think Buffy's like that because the others treated her like that - they put her on a pedestal because she was the Slayer, and treated her like she was special, the de facto leader. And Spike, to be a really good partner for her, has to challenge that, make her see him as equal. But first, he has to see himself as equal. Thanks for the review!

04/23/2007 10:53 pm
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The magic was a mistake but he didn't deserve that. What an absolute bitch. Spike needs to leave now!
Well, I disagree, but thanks for reading.

04/23/2007 10:14 pm
Déjà Vu         
Okay, I've noticed you've been getting some bad press for this last chapter, lol, and I wanted to put my cents in.

In the canon of the show (particularly after her return from the dead) Buffy was not a soft person. Over the course of the series we watched her have to harden herself in order to make difficult decisions. Her armor thickened even more so she could survive in a harsh world after leaving the "warm happy place" she had been in after her demise in "The Gift."

Personally, I would not read a story that claimed to pick up where "Bargaining" left off, and then portrayed Buffy as a character full of sweetness and light, and love for Spike. It just isn't realistic. She's confused; she's hurting. She wants a normal life, and she thinks she can vicariously experience one by dating a normal man. We, as the readers, know better, but for Buffy to reach that point, she must first come to terms with the fact that she needs something more in her life than yet another vulnerable loved one she must protect.

I'm not saying that Buffy isn't capable of being soft because she is. Even when sticking to the canon of the show, she is. But, in order to become soft, there must be a huge amount of character development on her part. She will have to let down the guard she put up when Angel first became Angelus in Season Two ... and that became even more pronounced when he left her in Season Three. She will have to learn to trust all over again, and that takes time.

I know I'm rambling on, but I just wanted to offer you some encouragement. I think your story is perfect both in plot and characterization. Don't change a thing, no matter what people may say. As Joss stated (and one of my own reviewers said about myself): "I don't give people what they want; I give them what they need." Right on. :)
*huggles UB* Thanks, sweetie! You make an awesome coat of armor. :) I appreciate your addition to the discussion - you're very right about Buffy's character. Thanks for the kind words, and for being an awesome, encouraging beta!

04/23/2007 04:13 pm
Déjà Vu         
My heart just goes out to Spike. To have to resort to magic to get over her. And for him to finally tell Buffy to get out.... I just hope that ge gets this time to himself.
Thanks for the review... Buffy and Spike are definitely going to have some "apart" time - we'll see where that leaves them.

Mark Evans
04/23/2007 02:26 am
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I love this story, and I absolutely love your writing, but I don't understand the rape comment. Yeah, I expect that Spike would feel guilty (that's what he does), but is it his fault that Buffy burst in his crypt causing him to drop the potion? His fault that she tried to help him clean it up, and therefore touched it? I even understand Buffy's instant reaction to think he'd tried to do a love spell. But rape is such a difficult word to just throw around. Especially because Spike was under a spell too. I don't think that if he hadn't have been under a spell that things would have progressed the way they did once Buffy came barging in. And the excuse that all the Scoobies barge in without knocking, they actually walk in without knocking, not slam someone's door open. Anyway, I do love this story, and I do love your writing :D .
Rape is a serious word to throw around - but they almost got themselves into a VERY serious situation. You're right, if Spike hadn't been under the spell as well, things wouldn't have happened that way. But all the things you mentioned that weren't Spike's fault wouldn't have happened if he hadn't done the spell in the first place. It was his idea - and regardless of what it was supposed to do, he's responsible for the results. It feels like there's a double standard here (and I'm not just talking about you personally) - when Willow screws up a spell, everyone is up in arms that she doesn't get taken to task. When Xander summoned Sweet, everyone was pissed that no one held him responsible. But when Buffy holds Spike accountable for the spell that he did, suddenly she's a bitch. And when Willow relies on a spell to magic her feelings away or to fix a problem, she's irresponsible and misusing magic. But when Spike gets a spell for exactly the same purpose, it's understandable because he's in so much pain.

I feel like there's a distinctive pro-Spike bias where he gets a free pass for things others get taken to task for. It's, IMO, the exact thing that people rail about on the show (where Spike is the only one who is forced to do penance for his wrongs, while everyone else gets a free pass), just with the characters reversed. I realize this is a Spuffy site, and so everyone here is a Spike fan, but it seems hypocritical to me to not hold Spike to the same standards we hold everyone else to, just because we like the character. Especially considering that Spike is a vampire, and is by definition evil - no matter how much he tries to be good, he still does bad things sometimes, and people who paint him as a martyr because he's putting up with Buffy seem to forget that.

hellbound
04/23/2007 02:19 am
Déjà Vu         
You know, that actually went better than I was expecting. Just shows how little faith I have in Spike's rationality I guess. And, hey, Buffy actually responded like a compasionate human being for once. Once she knew what was happening anyway. Neat. Although, Buffy being able to blame things on magic, doesn't look to good for Spuffy. The forever thing is looking more and more likely.
Thanks for the review! I admit, I'm relieved to hear you say Buffy acted compassionately. She's not a total bitch - she has trouble admitting her feelings, and she pushes people away (sometimes a little harshly) when she's afraid of getting too close. But the magic sort of forced her to face the issue, so forever might not be as far away as you think!

04/22/2007 11:02 pm
Déjà Vu         
I agree that Buffy has a right to be upset here. But she's upset about something that was unintentional. Spike wasn't trying to do a love spell on her. And he sure as heck wasn't trying to rape her -- so I'm really not sure where you are coming from on that (in some of your responses). He probably shouldn't have tried an anti-love spell, but his intentions aren't misplaced. She's made it clear she has no feelings for him -- why should he want to be stuck hoping for the impossible? That's why I'm glad Spike insisted on space at the end.

Ironically, the reason I'm less sympathetic towards Buffy in this story is exactly because she is 'more mature' and handling the resurrection better. She doesn't have the excuses she had in season 6 for being so completely blind to her pattern of using Spike and disregarding his feelings. FWIW. On the show her treatment of Spike had everything to do with her negative feelings about herself, and her friends and all of that.

Anyway, one of the joys of fanfiction is seeing how different people's perspectives are on these characters. Am enjoying the fic!! Thanks much for all your work on it.
I should warn you - I've had lots of time during my computer-imposed exile (my computer was broken), so I've had plenty of time to ponder my responses. Forgive me if I ramble.

I think if they'd actually gone through with it, we'd be having a different discussion. Regardless of intent, if you have sex with someone who in their right mind would not consent - that's rape. I guarantee that Buffy would've felt raped if she woke up from the spell to find out that she'd had sex with Spike. Just because Spike wasn't malicious about it doesn't really excuse it. Back in The Hardest Thing, Spike was considered a gentleman because he wouldn't take advantage of Buffy when they were drunk. She was crawling in his lap then, too, and he said no. Not sure why we're holding him to a different standard now.

One other thing that maybe should've been pointed out at the beginning of the rape discussion - in the story itself, Spike is the one who uses the word, not Buffy. She doesn't accuse him of anything other than being a pig (before she figures things out) and of doing a love spell on her (after she knows about it). Spike's holding himself to that standard - even though he was under the spell, he still holds himself responsible, and he doesn't make excuses (he never says, "oh, I didn't realize what I was doing" - he admits he willingly forgot about the spell because he wanted to believe that Buffy felt that way).

As for Buffy's treatment of Spike - I don't see her resurrection problems as an excuse for her actions in season 6. I think she was completely out of line, even with an extra dose of forgiveness for being depressed. I think she's treating him much better in this story, and the continuing animosity arises from her denial of her feelings for him. Every time she's mean to him, it's because she's put in a situation where she has to confront feelings she's uncomfortable with, and instead of owning up to them, she runs in the opposite direction (literally and figuratively).

04/22/2007 10:35 pm
Déjà Vu         
This is SO how I love my Spuffy...hot and heartbreaking at the same time. And I love Spike like this too, all tortured and intense. He truly is love's bitch. Awesome chapter!
Hehe, thanks! That's really how Spuffy should be - hot and heartbreaking. Two incredibly screwed up superheroes crashing into each other. :)

04/22/2007 07:15 pm
Déjà Vu         
“No, you kissed me. Maybe that means something to you, but all it means to me is that you’re a pig.”

Harsh Line but reads like one of those "truths" that speak to deep emotional feelings, whether of denial her own desires or her true feelings about Spike; stuff that needs to be cleared away before she can make some good and mature choice. Like your second view of this episode from the series.

I like your Spike and I hope that you will explore some ways of his dealing with his emotional needs aside from how he is tangled in his Love's Bitch Net -

Hope we get an explanation scene for the total opposite effects from the spells intended results.

Like your treatment of Buffy's resurrection, if feels like I am seeing a Buffy that has more "life experience" and more mature - even with all the drinking to escape her pain and her "playing at death's door," she still feels like a more mature woman. Don't know if you intended this, but that is how she comes across for me. Accept for this last spell scene, where I feel like I am seeing "bitchy buffy's" ugle head again.
Thanks for the review! I appreciate all the awesome feedback. I think Buffy's into some hardcore denial - when she calls him a pig, she doesn't even know it was a spell, so she's seriously denying being attracted to him, despite getting caught with her hand down his pants, without an explanation. :)

Part of it comes from her wondering how she could have acted so out of character, but the other part is frightened that she really does have those feelings and doesn't know how to deal.

I did want Buffy to be a little bit more mature than on the show, and she handled the resurrection a little better, conquering her death wish, so that's having an effect.

04/22/2007 05:12 pm
Déjà Vu         
Yes.....I wonder if Spike will head to Africa now to gain control (a soul) and if Buffy will start to realize what a dolt she has been. Leave it to her to blame it ALL on Spike and be hateful.

Excellent update. Poor Spike no wonder he distrusts magic so much!

Kathleen
Hmmm, you're not the first person to mention Africa. What makes y'all think I'll give him a soul? ;)

And while Buffy's reaction may have been harsh, I do think she's right in blaming Spike. It was his spell, and he let it get out of control.

Thanks for the review, Kathleen!

04/22/2007 04:25 pm
Déjà Vu         
Why does everyone go to Willow for their spells? Every time she creates or modifies one it goes drastically wrong. I'd go to Tara, or possibly Giles or Anya.
Heh, well, me personally? I wanted the deja vu moment between her and Spike. I doubt Spike would've felt comfortable asking for this kind of spell from Giles or Anya, but he could've gone to Tara.

smlcspike
04/22/2007 02:30 pm
Déjà Vu         
OH no that is not good, so if its and anti what when they both got it on them were they in love, did Willow do the wrong spell.
More please.
There were a few things that could've made it go wrong, where they didn't follow directions exactly (the microwave, and getting it on their hands instead of Spike drinking it like he was supposed to). Thanks for the review!

04/22/2007 01:08 pm
Déjà Vu         
Great chapter.
Figures Buffy would think Spike would do a spell to make her fall in love with him.
Well, given the evidence - Spike did a spell, and Buffy *was* in love with him - it's a logical conclusion. Thanks for the review!

zanthinegirl
04/22/2007 11:39 am
Déjà Vu         
Oh man, this story just keeps sucking me farther and farther in!

The anti-love spell is *so* a Spike type of thing to do. You've captured his impulsiveness and lack of attention to detail beautifully-- Poor Spike!

Much as I currently want to smack Buffy, I do think she's justified in being angry at being manipulated that way by a spell. Ouch.

It all leads to an interesting place though-- the crisis just came earlier than in canon, and in a more forgivable format. **admires plotty goodness**

Anxious to see where you take this one next!
You know, the spell really is a Spike thing to do. Despite his insistence that he doesn't trust magic, we keep seeing him turn to it when he's desperate (the ritual to heal Dru, the love spell for Dru).

You don't know how glad I am to hear you say Buffy is justified! No matter what happens, I can't seem to get people to sympathize with Buffy, but I feel like here, it really is Spike's fault, and people are just too forgiving because we all love Spike.

Thank you for the review - glad you liked the "plotty goodness!" :)

04/22/2007 11:26 am
Déjà Vu         
i really live your story!it´s wonderful! hope you´ll update soon...can´t wait to read the next amazing chapter!

MOa from Germany
Thanks for the review, MOa! I'm glad you like it.

Mark Evans
04/22/2007 07:42 am
Déjà Vu         
Wow, poor Spike. I'm so tired of saying that, lol. And what the hell went wrong with Willow's spell? Spike definitely should have known better :) . It's so clear that he's desperate not to feel the way that he does about Buffy, but it's not easy to fall out of love with someone, especially if they're constantly in your face. I just don't know what to do with these two. Buffy's obviously not ready to love Spike, and he's not ready to ever move on. It's like they're at a stalemate. This is such a great story, and I'm curious to see where you're going with this. I just don't see how things can be fixed.
Yeah, that's the main reason why Spike kicked her out at the end - not because she was bitchy (because he was feeling guilty so he probably thought he deserved it), but because he needs distance from her if he's ever going to get over her. No guarantees it'll work, but he can try. :) Thanks for the review!

04/22/2007 06:27 am
Déjà Vu         
Yep, ditto to what DOS said. Lovely update ;)
Thanks for the review.

04/22/2007 05:20 am
Déjà Vu         
man...that was intensely emotional....poor spike, it so wasn't his fault...and buffy took that totally wrong...i'm glad he kicked her out though, because she was so hateful about it...great chapter, looking forward to more :)
Hmm, I disagree. I think it was Spike's fault - the anti-love spell was his idea, he did it wrong (which, okay, because he dropped it), and he almost raped Buffy in the process. I think she has every right to be pissed.

kim
04/22/2007 03:13 am
Déjà Vu         
Yeah, he can just! His house, and he can have whomever the hell he wants in it!

Okay, now that that's out....;)

Okay, so how did an anti-love spell suddenly kick them into massive lust? Did Willow not understand the words properly again? Cuz other than the microwaving, that was about to go right....

And where the hell does Buffy get off busting through his door without knocking when they're supposed to be friends? She keeps calling him her friend, then keeps treating him like this?

I hope Spike leaves town....at least for a while. Buffy's too stubborn, and all this is giving him is pain. It's just torture.
Well, there's the microwaving, and also that the potion was supposed to be ingested (by one person), but instead it got on both their hands.

And, you know, on this show, everyone busts through everyone's door without knocking. They're quite an impolite bunch. Have you ever seen anyone knock at Giles' apartment (except, oddly, Spike)? lol

hobbituk
04/22/2007 03:01 am
Déjà Vu         
You know, I am all for the Spuffy, but right now? I want so badly to slap Buffy around the head. *takes a deep breath*

Thanks for the review.

LadyYashka
04/22/2007 02:37 am
Déjà Vu         
Poor Spike. While I understand Buffy's reaction over what she first thought was a love spell, she really needs to pull her head out of her ass. It's like Buffy thinks it's prefectly alright to run to Spike when she needs something, and then tell him he has no place in her life when she doesn't.

:sigh: I hope Buffy feels really guilty, and gets a taste of her own medicine.

Wonderful update, by the way. I really do love this story, and I'm looking forward to the next update.
I don't think she's ever told him he has no place in her life (at least, not in my story, she probably did on the show...). I'm kinda surprised you think she should feel really guilty - yeah, the "I will never love you" is harsh, but she's the one who almost had sex against her will.

Thanks for the review - it's reassuring to hear you still like it, lol.

04/27/2007 01:45 am
Wake-Up Call         
This is the point in the story that I do wish he'd leave. Try to find some happiness, anywhere but here. He does deserve it, at least let her know that she can't use him, the way she does. Love that he was able to stand up to her just a little bit. Great chapter, thanks.
Glad you liked it! The thing about Spike is, I think it'd be hard to find happiness anywhere without Buffy. But maybe he can get her to see...

zanthinegirl
04/22/2007 11:26 am
Wake-Up Call         
Just wanted to say that you're doing an excellent job here in conveying Spike's anger and frustration. It's palpable. I find myself wanting to find Buffy and shake some sense into her, and intellectually I think she's actually right. (OK, and fictional. Minor point!) Great job!

I adore Spike and Buffy, but I'm not sure it's possible to write a season 6 romance that's both believable and painless. They both have too far yet to go on their journeys, and the pain is part of the refining process. But, oh it hurts right now!
Wait... Buffy's fictional? Crap... ;)

Honestly, I think it's hard to write any Spuffy that's believable and painless - that's just they way they are. Fluff can be fun, but it's not really who they are. These two do have a long journey ahead of them (and it won't be over with this story).

Thanks for the review! I'm glad you're enjoying it.

Mark Evans
04/21/2007 02:19 am
Wake-Up Call         
Thank you for another wonderful chapter :) . Wow, Spike is so pathetic, poor thing, lol. Honestly, if Buffy doesn't have feelings for Spike, that's cool, it's whatever. But she has to see that it's not okay to use and manipulate him like that (even if he is allowing it). I think we've all been there before where someone was more into us than we were into them, but you can't take advantage of that situation. It's not good for either party involved. I hope Spike doesn't do anything rash, but we all know how Spike is, lol.
Thank you, I'm glad you like it. I think maybe Buffy *does* have feelings for Spike, and that's why she can't just let him be... but she doesn't know it yet. And Spike? *So* gonna get in trouble... it's what he does.

hellbound
04/20/2007 08:16 am
Wake-Up Call         
Some how that last bit makes me sorta apprehensive. Can't imagine why. Spike never does anything stupid when he's emotional. Um, well...
This really isn't going to go well for him is it?
Nope... Spike has never been known to be irrational when scorned by a woman... or do anything stupid like kidnapping the Slayer's friends, or chaining her up with his ex... So, no problem, really. ;)

04/19/2007 07:25 pm
Wake-Up Call         
"He had to do something. He didn’t want to feel like this anymore." really hope he doesn't plan. very good read, thank you.
Ha... Spike's plans never go well, do they?

infinitecrisis
04/19/2007 05:57 pm
Wake-Up Call         
Poor Spike, yep he better get himself straightened up. Don't let Buffy sees him as a whipping boy. He is THE man. Sooner or later Buffy going to realize what's she going to miss.
He's the man...pire. :)

04/19/2007 04:02 pm
Wake-Up Call         
oh man...so is he headed to the magic box, or is he headed to africa? :) this is getting rather interesting, love :) can't wait to see what he has in mind, what he does next....and buffy can be so self-centered, so manipulative...grrr...great chapter, love :)
Hmm... two very different possibilities. You'll just have to wait and see. ;)

04/19/2007 01:21 pm
Wake-Up Call         
Ooooh poor Spike. And that's an ominous ending.
Heh, I'm all about the ominous. :)

04/19/2007 11:37 am
Wake-Up Call         
Poor Spike! The rage, the frustration, the jealousy, the low esteem of feeling beneath Buffy.....he's in pain! And yet, there she is using his love for her and Dawn to get her way.....pffft. Who's beneath whom?

Does she NOT see how she is hurting him? I wish she had a glimmer of not only how he feels but of feeling FOR him.

Great update. Quite emotional.

Kathleen
He is in pain, but the poor boy brings it on himself. At least he's gonna do something about it now...

Thanks for the review, I'm glad you liked it!

04/19/2007 10:44 am
Wake-Up Call         
Nice chapter.
Thanks! :)

04/19/2007 10:21 am
Wake-Up Call         
Can't you stop Spike being a such a pathetic doormat? It's degrading, the way he puts up with all this crap from bitch Buffy.
Well... no. I can't help the way Spike was written on the show, and I'm keeping both him and Buffy as much in character as I can. If that's not the Spike you're looking for, there's plenty of other fics out there.

kim
04/19/2007 05:39 am
Wake-Up Call         
Gonna find a spell to remove his feelings? Have to be careful with that....don't want it to ruin what he has with Dawn.

Buffy is such a big baby....
Hmmm... very true. Thanks for the review!

Tamara
04/19/2007 05:04 am
Wake-Up Call         
Y'now it would just up the angst if Jacob did turn out to be the bad guy and Spike found out.

He'd have to find out a way to protect Dawn without them because they'd never believe him or he'd tell them and they wouldn't believe him and Dawn would get hurt and he'd blame Buffy because she was warned and still didn't prevent Dawn getting hurt.
Hmm, interesting idea... but I've been trying so hard to make Jacob *not* evil! lol

smlcspike
04/19/2007 04:46 am
Wake-Up Call         
OH I hope she comes to her senses soon.
Heh, you're certainly not the only one!

04/19/2007 04:23 am
Wake-Up Call         
Ack! What's he going to do? Is he going to go get his soul? What? What?? What?!?!? Wonderful chapter, thank you so much!
Soul? That'd be a radical reaction. Guess you'll have to wait and see. :) Glad you liked the chap.

04/19/2007 03:58 am
Wake-Up Call         
You continue to have me glued to my monitor. I suppose until the next chapter I can hope that Spike issitting their deciding to do something that will give him some distance from Buffy. Seriously -- to get him to do her bidding she pushes the jealousy issue, not caring that it will stir up a pile of bad feelings for him so long as it works to get him back to doing her bidding? I'm under the impression that you want us to feel sympathetic towards Buffy -- but like Lady Yashka said, after this chapter I'm really wanting to bash her head against a wall. This just isn't nice, and she doesn't have the excuse of being morbidly depressed and estranged from her friends. But also like LY, I agree this is your story, and that it is very well-written. So I'm enjoying it in a twisted masochistic sort of a way.
Well, as long as my readers are masochists, I guess I'm okay. :) I do actually like Buffy and don't set out to make people hate her, but it's hard to write her in character without her being at least somewhat ignorant of Spike's feelings or deliberately hurtful. I generally go for the former, thinking that's less mean, but I guess y'all don't agree. But if you're enjoying it, that's what's really important.

LadyYashka
04/19/2007 03:00 am
Wake-Up Call         
Can you have him reject her? Please? Helping Dawn is very good, rejecting Buffy is even better. Buffy does not deserve him, and I so wish she could be the one with the wake-up call.

But, this is your story. And it is very very good.

Just don't mind me while I sit back, and dream of Buffy getting her head knocked into a wall.

Well, I should warn you. I'm like Joss... I take requests - and then do the opposite. :) But you can dream all you like.

05/20/2007 08:40 am
Who Does Not Love Forever         
And the friendship is tearing down. As usual, its all Buffy's fault.
This is certainly a unique way of going about their relationship. You really show the problems, instead of just skipping to the happy part. Its agonizing, seeing Buffy and the others treat Spike that way, but much truer to cannon.
I definitely didn't want to skip right to the happy part. It may make some people disappointed, but I can't see Buffy and Spike getting together in any way other than with lots and lots of pain and obstacles.

05/02/2007 05:06 am
Who Does Not Love Forever         
I'm trying to get all caught up on my reading (and writing) now that life has calmed a little. Looking forward to getting up to speed on this one.
Hey! Thanks for the review... glad things have calmed down for you.

04/27/2007 01:32 am
Who Does Not Love Forever         
Wow, I can't believe I've missed so many of these. Here I thought you haven't been posting! They finally figured it out, It's either the house or a Summer's that's in it's sights. No one knows Spike well enough understand that when he loves, it's with everything and for alot longer then Buffy's going to be alive. Can't wait to get all caught up, thanks sweetie, for posting all these lovely chappies.
Well, I haven't posted in a little while because my computer crapped out. But I hope you enjoy getting caught up!

04/16/2007 11:51 pm
Who Does Not Love Forever         
tara and anya steal the chapter. buffy goes for violence, so she does not have to a thought pass through her mind; xander is worse than the deceased Acanthia demon. (the demon is no more, but xander is still around.) very good read, thank you.
Thanks - I like giving the tertiary characters a chance to shine once in a while. :)

Inzey
04/16/2007 08:19 am
Who Does Not Love Forever         
Great chapter. Loved Spikes comment about loving forever, and how that was his curse. I liked how Tara acted towards Spike.
Thanks... it really seems like a curse, doesn't it? Poor guy gets nothing but suffering from the women he loves.

DreamsofSpike
04/15/2007 05:58 pm
Who Does Not Love Forever         
hmmm...who do we know in this season who summons demons? :P ... and that makes me think the target was buffy rather than dawn...the thing might have gone after dawn because of shared blood, etc...loved the spike/tara interaction, lovely chapter, pet :)
Are you thinking of Xander? Just remember, OMWF didn't happen in this AU...

Thanks for the review!

sour
04/15/2007 02:11 pm
Who Does Not Love Forever         
great chapter, I liked Spike-Tara frindship. And now Dawn is in danger, Buffy has to stop avoiding Spike... I think things will get even mor complicated... Can't wait to read more
Well, you know me - I like complicated! :) Thanks for the review!

kim
04/15/2007 05:44 am
Who Does Not Love Forever         
Well, we know of one demon summoner......

Nice Spike/Tara talk.
Hmmm... who might that be? ;)

BT_
04/15/2007 05:38 am
Who Does Not Love Forever         
Well written. Loved the interaction with Tara and Anya's "get over it" speech.
Thanks! I feel like Tara and Anya don't get used enough - they end up just being the girlfriends hanging around in the background of the core group, so I like finding things for them to do.

Cas
04/15/2007 05:06 am
Who Does Not Love Forever         
Glad you had Tara offer to get involved. And it is so like Buffy to want to 'beat up demons until she gets some answers,'
Heh, yeah, Buffy's a "hit first, ask questions later" kind of girl.

smlcspike
04/15/2007 04:39 am
Who Does Not Love Forever         
I wonder who is doing it, It seems that when ever she is with Jacob her house is attacked.
Hmmm... ;)

04/15/2007 03:23 am
Who Does Not Love Forever         
Thank you for updating! And for the conversation between Tara and Spike. Maybe she could talk some sense into Buffy? Or, well, probably not yet. Great chapter, thanks so much!
Thanks! Glad you liked the Tara/Spike scene. Tara's been a bit neglected lately, and I think she and Spike go well together as friends.

04/15/2007 03:22 am
Who Does Not Love Forever         
Hmm... interesting... I wonder who could've magicked the demon..... please let it be jacob! lol he needs something to make him sound bad. Anyway, lovely chapter, looking forward to the next, as always :)
Hehe, I'm so determined to make him a nice guy, and everyone wants him to be evil! ;) Thanks for the review, glad you liked it.

hellbound
04/15/2007 01:38 am
Who Does Not Love Forever         
That's certainly an appropriate quote for Spike. Sad though. I hope the demon was after Dawn, maybe Spike will get a chance to prove himself. Again. Something might finally sink in for Buffy.

Can Xander go to Willy's too, and maybe he can get knocked around a bit? Please? Its so annoying when he influences Buffy's decisions like this. He's smarter than that and a better friend.
Yep, as soon as I saw that quote, I thought of Spike. Especially considering the immortality thing - forever really does mean forever.

Thanks for the review!

04/15/2007 01:01 am
Who Does Not Love Forever         
Oh Buffy, you idiot to base so much on what little history you had with Angel! Spike's right about the reason though.

Excellent update. Still wanting to smack sense into Buffy though. Even Tara doesn't completely get it what with her "You'll get over it" pep talk!

Kathleen
I think Tara has a point - for Buffy, it's about self-preservation. If she admits that vampires can love with a soul, she has to face the fact that Angelus *could* have loved her, and simply chose not to. When you're talking about your first love, your supposed soulmate, that's an extraordinarily harsh reality, so I don't totally blame her for living in denial.

04/15/2007 12:58 am
Who Does Not Love Forever         
I'm always a sucker for Spike and Tara moments. This was a nice one. Still sad for Spike, of course. He already had to endure a year of Biley. Now he gets to do it all over again. Must feel like an endless loop.

BTW, on Spike's own account, how does he explain the fact that he's no longer in love with either Cecily or Drusilla? Is he still in love with one or both? Or does he now think he never loved them?
I'm a sucker, too! :) Spike and Tara is one of those pairs that didn't get a lot of attention on the show, but I can see how they'd be good friends, both being outsiders from the group.

As for Cecily and Dru... I don't think he really loved Cecily - she was the obsession of a naive young man who didn't yet know what love was. I think at least part of him still loves Dru, and will always love her, even if he doesn't want to be with her. And I think the same will be true of Buffy, no matter what happens...

Lou
04/15/2007 12:48 am
Who Does Not Love Forever         
Yeah get punching - that's what she does best! At least Tara was kind... you'll get over it eventually. Groan.
Poor Tara, she was just trying to be optimistic... but we all know how devoted Spike is once he falls in love... :)

04/16/2007 07:50 pm
Reconciliation and Manly Things         
very good read. thank you. xander would not want spike around even if it was his worthless life he was saving. (that sentence needs punctuation first aid.) also bring in an expert on this fine tale to support my previous review. "...“Like there’s anyone else who can fight off a demon."
Hehe, yes, you were right! Spike is the best for the demon-fighting. Thanks for the review!

time of change
04/14/2007 02:35 pm
Reconciliation and Manly Things         
Oh, dear God, Xander's getting ready to do something stupid. I feel it.

That said, your character voices are excellent. The dialogue in this story...and all your stories, really, is really tight. I enjoy every word.
Thank you! The dialogue is the part that comes easiest to me - glad you like it!

04/13/2007 08:17 pm
Reconciliation and Manly Things         
They really don't know him do they? Spike does hurt the people he loves or the twits that are her friends. Thanks for the update.
Thanks for the review!

04/13/2007 02:01 am
Reconciliation and Manly Things         
You captured Anya PERFECTLY! And Buffy had at least a brief moment where her body, at least, reacted to Spike. (I'm surprised he didn't milk that more.) And then, she wouldn't even let him stay at her place after he babysat! Argh! Great chapter, as always.
I think, if Spike has *any* sense of self-preservation, he wouldn't bring up Buffy's arousal - really good way to get her pissed, lol. Maybe when she's in a better mood...

Glad you liked the chap! Thanks for reviewing.

B
04/12/2007 10:56 pm
Reconciliation and Manly Things         
I've been away on holiday and just got back and found not only that last chapter of the other fic but this wonderful sequel and I'm so glad you are continuing with this.

It's wonderful, and perfectly in character. I love it. I wish season 6 had gone this way.

I like how you aren't making this easy for Buffy and Spike, nor Giles and the others, but still not making it unbearably angst-y. And I have to say I love jealous!Spike to.

Keep it up, cannot wait for more. I adore this fic.
Thanks, B! Good to have you back. Glad you're enjoying the balance between angst and... well, not so angst. :) It's hard to write an unangsty Spuffy and have it seem realistic, but I don't want people getting too depressed!

04/12/2007 03:06 pm
Reconciliation and Manly Things         
Nice having Buffy trying to patch things up between Giles and the crew. Looking forward to more of this.
Thanks for the review - glad you like!

04/12/2007 03:13 am
Reconciliation and Manly Things         
Lol, I had to giggle at Buffy's fascination over a hardware store! :lol: I love Anya and her typical comments. It's just like her to not care about broaching a subject everyone else is nervous about. Glad that part of the scooby gang is together again :) anyway, great update! Looking forward to reading more about Spike's jealous plans that he's obviously going to come up with!!
My dad takes me to the hardware store, and I'm very Buffy-like. :) And Anya is so useful in diffusing those awkward situations by just blurting out whatever she things... gotta love her. Thanks for the review!

zanthinegirl
04/12/2007 02:45 am
Reconciliation and Manly Things         
Poor Spike! I'd be annoyed if I were him!

Very nice balance here. I love Xander, but season 6 wasn't his best point. You've shown his pettiness without bashing him; nicely done!

Really enjoying this one, and anxious for the next chapter!
Thanks! I do like Xander (unlike a lot of Spuffy fans), so I don't want to make him into the total asshole (or evil) that a lot of people do, but he's still got his flaws. Glad you liked the chapter!

Mary
04/12/2007 02:08 am
Reconciliation and Manly Things         
UGH I know I said it before but I'll say it again, have Clem find Spike a girl, I bet Buffy will change her tune then.

Good story too much like the series (aka treating Spike like dirt) but really good story
Heh, and I thought I was being different from the series (as in, less self-destructive Spuffy). But in trying to stay true to the characters, some things are similar.

Thanks for the review!

Mark Evans
04/12/2007 02:00 am
Reconciliation and Manly Things         
Booooooooo to Xander! Lol. In early seasons of Buffy, she was fiercely independent, but by the time the show ended she'd become crippled by her need to live up to her friend's expectations of her. Clearly she's not on board with all of Xander's Spike bashing, yet she still entertains is arguments on why Spike is evil, and even gives some thought that Xander may be right.

Yeah Spike's a fool for allowing himself to be used, but Buffy's just as wrong for doing the using. She knows the guy is in love with her, but instead of dealing with that issue, she rather live in the land of denial and continue to come to Spike when it's convenient.

Gosh I really love this story, it's so thought provoking! Thank you for another great chapter.
I think Buffy started caring too much what her friends thought when Angel went evil. I feel like I got this from a fic, or a forum discussion, but it works - she felt guilty about all the havoc Angelus wrought, that she felt her friends deserved a say in her life, because they were affected by the results of her decisions. I don't think she's right, but I can understand the motivation.

It's such a great compliment to be called thought provoking! As much fun as it is to entertain, I like delving into the serious issues, too. Thanks for the review!

hellbound
04/12/2007 01:51 am
Reconciliation and Manly Things         
Why is she such an idiot? Xander has a point, sure, but doesn't Buffy know Spike better? Shouldn't she make her own judgements about Spike and how best to protect her sister? She can be a real doofus sometimes. And would it kill Spike to not be so confrontational? He's a doofus too. Why do I like spuffy again?
Anya's not a doofus though. Yay Anya. I hope Giles is really back in the group, including Xander (king of the doofuses, doofusi?), I hated the ignoring thing. And walking her down the isle, that's nice, I had kinda expected them to do it in the show.
So, to sum up, everyone's a doofus but Anya. :) I thought Giles would walk her down the aisle too... one more reason to be angry he left.

Lou
04/12/2007 01:36 am
Reconciliation and Manly Things         
Nice to see the Giles situation sorted but otherwise you're pushing all my annoyed buttons so well!! Xander goes from bad to worse but for Buffy to punch Spike awake!!!. I hope he takes himself away for a little break once Buffy cancels his babysitting duties.
*pokes Lou* What does that button do? hehe

kim
04/12/2007 01:34 am
Reconciliation and Manly Things         
They are so stupid. Spike's not like that! He *likes* Dawn, and he knows that he'd be the first suspect if something happened to Buffy's new "boy toy". He's not that stupid.

About time they settled things with Giles.
I think Buffy at least knows that he wouldn't do anything when he was, you know, rational. But she has seen him have a bit of a nutty (brought on by his love for her) so she's worried about him doing something when he's not thinking straight.

04/12/2007 12:11 am
Reconciliation and Manly Things         
Buffy in the Home Depot was funny.
I loved the last line, and I can't wait to see where this is going. :)
Thanks! I think I may have a slight Home Depot obsession... :)

04/11/2007 11:53 pm
Reconciliation and Manly Things         
oh dont listen to xander, buffy...spike cares about her and dawn, and he's the only one besides her who can defend dawn properly..another excellent chapter, looking forward to more :)
Thanks for the review, love!

04/11/2007 11:40 pm
Reconciliation and Manly Things         
Grrr arghhhhh Both Buffy and Xander need to have someone use one of those Home Depot hammers on their thick skulls! Really what reason did Xander have for his extreme anti Spike stance anyway (especially after the whole Glory sitch and aftermath).

Tell on, storyteller! Nice update. Glad they forgave Giles (but then he DOES have that so important soul). Let's see the "Super Jacob" do half the things for Buffy that Spike does on a regular basis..

Kathleen
If he didn't hate Spike, would he really be Xander? And, well... Jacob's not "Super" - that's kind of the point. :) Guess we'll have to see if that's what Buffy wants. Glad you liked the chapter, and thanks for the review!

Tamara
04/11/2007 11:10 pm
Reconciliation and Manly Things         
She appreciates his coming over but she wakes him up to send him out into the lethal sunlight with only a ratty blanket to protect him instead of having the decency to let him crash upstairs.

I really wanna smack her.
It was just bad luck that Xander walked in right then. I think she'd have been nicer if she didn't have to explain to him why Spike was staying. Not that it's an excuse, because Xander's opinion shouldn't matter... but this is Buffy we're talking about.

Tristan Charron
04/11/2007 11:09 pm
Reconciliation and Manly Things         
Arg, I sort of want to shake some sense into Buffy but that being said, I am enjoying this fic immensely, lol.

Though I completely understand Buffy's attitude to her new boyfriend and the whole using of Spike as her sort of disposable baby-sitter (which, by the way, is such an excellent characterization of her and I know I may have said this before I could completely see something like this happening on the show, so major kudos) does depress me. Poor Spike. My heart goes out to him.... Can't wait for the next chapter, lovely job!
Thanks! I'm very glad to hear you're enjoying it - and that you think it's true to the show (and the show can be kinda depressing, too... hopefully I'm not that depressing though).

04/11/2007 10:58 pm
Reconciliation and Manly Things         
Thanks for another good chapter! You're right, of course. Buffy has a right to be all happy with her new boyfriend. And if Spike is willing to be used by her when she needs him and tossed away when he's not needed, well, no harm, no foul. You replied in your last to me that Buffy's indifference is better than actively hurting him. But in Lover's Walk, Spike was more hurt by Drusilla's indifference than anything else. So this is still a rather depressing read. And in my mind the indifference seems like a less promising springboard to other things than the love/hate thing she had going with Spike in the series. We never saw Buffy *indifferent* to him. So,I'm very interested to see where you go with this -- new territory and all.
Hmm. I never thought of describing the problem with Spike and Dru as Dru's indifference, but I guess the "she didn't even care enough to cut off my head" kind of indicates that.

I don't think Buffy's really indifferent, though. I think she's conflicted - she's not ready to love him, and she wants to be friends, but she's getting contradictory signals from him, neither of which are friendly (on the one hand, he's in love with her, but on the other, he snaps at her when she tries to be friends). So she just doesn't know what to do with him, and she tends to react badly to uncertainty.

smlcspike
04/11/2007 10:56 pm
Reconciliation and Manly Things         
So she has feelings for Spike when she sees him naked, wish they would just admit what is going on and get with it.
Nah, that'd be too easy... ;)

04/11/2007 10:55 pm
Reconciliation and Manly Things         
Buffy is really getting on my nerves. She doesn't want him but she needs him. But when she could not be around her friends, he was the one she turned to. I just hope that Spike makes a life for himself without her and she can really see what she thew away. He is a great person. He watched over Dawn while she was gone and would never hurt Dawn or herself. Tell Xander to SHUT UP and talk to Spike. Just try to get things out in the open. And since when did 2 dates count as boyfriend? They are all making big assumptions.
Well, emotions are complicated. It's really easy to need someone but not want them. It's also easy to want someone that's not good for you. But that creates conflict, and conflict is what makes my world go round. :) Thanks for the review.

:-)
05/09/2010 11:29 am
Trouble         
 

Tanja
01/16/2008 04:18 pm
Trouble         
Okay, after reading your warning at the beginning of the story about the Buffy/OC part, I decided to take my chances and read it anyway, mostly because I love too much what you write to pass something up and also, because of the promised spuffy reward! I'm really hoping said reward isn't far and this little weasel, Jacob, is going to go away soon, or die, or whatever, because I can't take much more of this. *lol* Okay, now I can keep on reading! *lolol* Love your stories!

~ Tanja ~
Uh... did I mention the Spuffy reward is three fics later? lol *shifty eyes* I didn't really think about it when I'm writing it, but this series does have an awful lot of Buffy or Spike with another character... I think it's worth it, though, because other people creates more tension, and tension is so much more interesting to read than fluff. Thanks for the review!

05/20/2007 08:09 am
Trouble         
Awww, poor Spike. That's got to be a knife in the gut.
Yeah... thanks for the review!

Lou
04/11/2007 12:20 am
Trouble         
God, Spike! Where's his backbone?? He's being way too wet.
We don't call him love's bitch for nothing...

04/10/2007 11:50 pm
Trouble         
oh man, how did she end up getting the daft impression that it was somehow *spike's* fault? he protected dawn, and the thanks he gets is a distracted response and her deciding not to have him stay with dawn next time? what is her problem??? oh, i'm so frustrated with her right now...excellent chapter, though, your writing is awesome, love :)
Well, Buffy did decide to switch baby-sitters *before* she knew about the demon - all she was going on was Spike making Jacob uncomfortable.

But man... now I know what it's like when you write fics that make everyone hate Buffy, lol!

04/10/2007 11:39 pm
Trouble         
Aww... poor Spikey.

Love the Dawn&Spike time! Especially the random demon and painting of the nails. Also, major points for making Jacob a perfectly amiable character who doesn't instantly inspire a surge of loathing like some OCs can have a tendency to do.
Thanks! I like the incongruity of Spike fighting a demon and then getting his nails done... lol.

04/10/2007 11:12 pm
Trouble         
Makes me want to cry. Buffy is so oblivious. I think Jacob picked up on the vibe from Spike though....not our girl though, just use and toss Buffy! I want to whap her hard and make her see the great guy who loves her and she is stepping all over in the name of friendship. Geech, even friends are more empathetic than that!

Great update in spite of the weepies.

Kathleen
Aww... no weepies! Thanks for the review!

nichole
04/10/2007 06:39 pm
Trouble         
i feel for Spike..Buffy is so selfish..i'm trying to see how you going to fix this because anything short of a 2x4 upside buffy head is going to make her open her eyes. i think Spike should meet someone else even if it is just as friends but i would let Buffy think it is more.we all know how Buffy hates not being the center of those who love her attention.Look to be more heartache for spike for awhile..til next time..N
Well, I already hit Buffy with a two-by-four, so I guess I'll have to hit her with something else. :)

kimi
04/10/2007 04:15 pm
Trouble         
I think that Buffy was just frustrated after having such a great time on her date to come home to destruction. She could have said anything and Spike would have been easily hurt, he was already sensitive to the situation. He should stop wallowing in the fact that she's having fun with Jacob. He said he wanted a crumb and she gave him that by being his friend and letting him into her life. If he wants more now then he should say so.

You update on a regular, thank you for that. I like this story and it's prequel.
I think Spike would like to stop wallowing... he just doesn't know how. Glad you're enjoying the story!

04/10/2007 11:42 am
Trouble         
*sigh* ohh... my heart went out to Spike in this one... I could feel his pain... poor guy had to see her kissing some other dirtbag (although jacob sounds like a nice guy, I'm obliged to hate him intensly cause he's not Spike lol) great update! Loving the angst!!! keep it up :)
Thanks for the review, glad you like it!

04/10/2007 10:01 am
Trouble         
Poor Spike, I still say if she wants a built-in-babysitter, she needs to get someone else since she cares so little about him that she's even forgotten he was there. Risked his life again for Dawn and she just expects him too, while she's off having a "normal" life, totally ungrateful bitch. Let Dawn sneak around and visit him, just don't mess with his feelings. Spike needs to remove himself from the situation. He doesn't need to be used. Get his own life which doesn't revolve around her. If he's not good enough to be her friend, he needs to find others that won't treat him like he doesn't matter, because he does. Dawn's friendship it's enough for a vampire, not even Spike. Buffy's got the witches and Xander, they'll watch Dawn, she doesn't need Spike to rub his face in her new "normal" life. Maybe then she will see that she CAN'T have a normal life, she's the SLAYER not a NORMAL girl and the sooner she finds that out the better. How long is Jacob going to last when he's at his first scoobie meeting researching demons and is expected to fight along side them like Xander does. Why is Spike even patroling for her? Fighting for himself I can see, but making it easier for her to have more free time to date is just insane. Nobody does that, nobody, not even Loves Bitch. Sorry for the rant, it's just how I feel. I'm a Spuffy lover but rather him move on then to be continually used by an ungrateful shrew. He was good enough when she had no one, now that she has someone, he's nothing but dirt on the bottom of her shoe. It didn't get past me either, that beside the heartbeat and tan she's dating William! I may not be thrilled with the way the story's going but that doesn't mean I'm not going to continue to read it, it's a great story, you're creating a great amount of angst for us Spuffy readers, kudos.
Wow, feel better after that rant? ;) In Buffy's defense, it was Spike who implied he wasn't good enough to be her friend - she was trying and he shot her down because he was bitter about the date. And Dawn was the one who asked him to baby-sit for her. So I don't think she's really rubbing his nose in her normal life or anything. She's just living her life - which she's entitled to do - and Spike keeps inserting himself in it, no matter how much it hurts him. And I think he does it because he loves her, and he hasn't given up hope that someday she'll realize she loves him back, despite all the rejection. Maybe not the healthiest approach, but one thing we know about Spike is he doesn't give up, and he doesn't fall out of love easily (okay, that's two things).

Deb
04/10/2007 07:35 am
Trouble         
Great Spike/Dawn interaction lightens the heart for Spike. Love how Spike appears to be the protective older brother type to Jacob as he opens the door on them kissing and spoils the mood. Too funny. Interesting that Buffy appears to go for blonds with blue eyes...like someone else she knows. Poor Spike for leaving the house disappointed and craving some violence. Sounds like a lot of other frustrated men to me (HA!).
Yeah, Spike needs a little comfort - and Dawn's a good friend. Oh, and Jacob has dark hair and blue eyes...

04/10/2007 07:34 am
Trouble         
I find myself hoping Jacob is some kind of demon looking for a Slayer snack. Guess I'll have to wait and see.
Ha, I don't think you're alone in that one!

zanthinegirl
04/10/2007 06:36 am
Trouble         
Oh, poor Spike! It's hard to be angry with Buffy-- she hasn't done anything wrong, other than fail to appreciate the hotness of Spike-- but the guy is just putting himself out there for her to break his little heart.

I have to say that if it wasn't for Spike I'd like Jacob. I'm glad you're making him a viable option; I tend to get a little bored with two-dimensional bad!Buffy!boyfriends. I can see Buffy being interested in him. And much as I love Spike, I kind of enjoy watching him suffer a little. He's so pretty when he's in pain!
Yeah, I get bored with the two-dimensional boyfriends, too. The real conflict comes from Buffy having a decent alternative to Spike, and whether she'll choose it.

Thanks for the review!

04/10/2007 05:14 am
Trouble         
buffy being inconsiderate of spike i can understand. buffy unconcerned about demons attacking her house (and sister) and having red and tara babysit next time is stretching things. still, very good read, thank you.
Hmm... I disagree. I don't think she was unconcerned at all. The minute she walked in the house, she forgot about everything except the demon attack, and wanted to know if Dawn was safe.

And since Willow and Tara are pretty powerful witches, Dawn would be just as safe with them - it would just be a different kind of safe. Spike can kill the demon (while causing property damage) - Willow and Tara could magic it to death, or teleport it away, or put up a ward to keep anything evil out of the house.

kim
04/10/2007 05:11 am
Trouble         
Buffy's a bitch. She's not even a good friend. And if Xander had been the one watching Dawn right now, they'd both be dead.

At least Dawn appreciates Spike. Nice that you got that question out there - of whether she's just a stepping stone to Buffy.

That demon was definitely after Dawn....what's up?
I think the Spike and Dawn relationship is important. It may have started out being all about Buffy, but Spike definitely loves Dawn for herself. And since she's the only one on his side right now, she's a good friend for him to have.

hellbound
04/10/2007 04:29 am
Trouble         
Why do I get the feeling its going to get much worse for Spike before it gets better? Oh. Right. This is realistic Spuffy. Damn. But eventually there will be happy Spike, right? Please? Although you could probably keep me sitting here waiting for it indefinitly if stays this good. Please don't take that as a suggestion. I haven't got a spare forever sitting around.
Hmm... how about the Wednesday before forever? I think I can make it happy by then. ;)

Thanks for the review - I'm glad to hear that you're enjoying it, even if I keep you waiting for happy Spike.

smlcspike
04/10/2007 03:50 am
Trouble         
Oh I feel sorry for Spike right now, he loves her and she won't really give him the time of day, but then he did tell her they were not friends.

More please.
Yeah, everyone wants to crucify Buffy... but Spike's not really handling things well either. If he hadn't hurt her feelings by saying they weren't friends, she'd probably still be feeling friendlier towards him.

04/10/2007 03:42 am
Trouble         
awww - poor Spike! Dumb Buffy!
Heh... thanks for the review. :)

Tamara
04/10/2007 03:19 am
Trouble         
Somebody please smack the crap out of Buffy!
*hands Tamara the paddle* Go for it.

Mark Evans
04/10/2007 02:53 am
Trouble         
Thank you for the chapter! This fic is soooo frustrating, lol. My instant reaction is to be angry with Buffy, but really she hasn't actually done anything wrong, besides being a little inconsiderate. It's not her fault that Spike's in love with her yet continues to put himself in situations in which he's constantly around her and knows she's not interested.

Poor Spike, he has so many issues. I think part of the problem is that he's never been alone. From what we can infer from canon, he went straight from living with his mother, to living with drucilla, to now being emotionally dependent on Buffy. He's got to learn to exist for himself, or I don't think he'd ever be any good for Buffy. Perhaps I'm thinking too hard, lol.
Well, I'd say I'm sorry you're frustrated... but that means you're in tune with the story, so... I'm not sorry! :) You're right, Buffy really hasn't done anything wrong, and yet we know what it's doing to Spike, but he's doing it to himself in a way, and it's hard to choose which one to slap first.

And I don't think you're thinking too hard! I like to make people think. :)

BT_
04/10/2007 02:47 am
Trouble         
sheesh - could Buffy be more obtuse?
And - Jacob looks kinda like Spike, which you took pains to point put. Interesting. He seems like a really nice guy. I like that Buffy is having some "normal guy" time - hoping that she'll see that even _nice_ normal isn't for her. I'm not sure Jacob is EVIL, per se, but I think there is something up.
Honestly, I just wanted to work in a physical description of Jacob, and seeing him through Spike's eyes seemed a good way to do it. It wasn't until Spike started comparing himself to Jacob that I realized they looked alike! (Sometimes I write the story, sometimes the story writes me...)

infinitecrisis
04/10/2007 02:18 am
Trouble         
Bloody hell! Buffy subconciously wanting someone that looks like Spike, the hair, the eyes... and she still didn't realize it.
Heh... she's never seen Spike with his hair ungelled - so maybe she didn't notice?

Mary
04/10/2007 01:50 am
Trouble         
I can't believe I'm going to say this but Spike needs to find a girl. Maybe Clem can fix him up? Buffy is just being really mean.
Heh, everyone wants Spike to get a girl... kinda funny since no one wants Buffy with another guy.

I don't think Buffy's that mean... inconsiderate, maybe, but she's entitled to her own choices. She's not obligated to Spike just because he has feelings for her. He's the one who can't stay away. :)

04/10/2007 01:38 am
Trouble         
I'm trying to decide whether torturing Spike with nails and holy water and all that stuff or torturing him with Buffy's apparantly total lack of concern for him is worse. Somehow, I think I prefer the torture implements. I know you'll make it all better for Spike, but this chapter is just mega depressing!! Looking forward to more. Really. Cause you promised to make it all better. And I trust you.
Don't worry, we'll do the nails and holy water later. :) Personally, I think Buffy could be a lot worse about things - I mean, unintentionally hurting him is better than intentionally hurting him, right?

04/10/2007 01:32 am
Trouble         
Gah! Poor Spike...how's he going to handle all this torture? Maybe Dawn could pull some kind of teenage plot thing to help them get together...or...okay, I'm reaching, but I just want Spike to be happy *sniff*. Great writing, as always.
Dawn could go all "Parent Trap" on them - oh, if only she had a twin... lol. Thanks for the review, darling!

04/08/2007 09:28 pm
Sunset         
Jacob ssems nice, but as I've said earlier, I prefer Buffy with Spike.
I think we all do, Inzey. Don't worry, I'm getting there...

Lou
04/08/2007 01:46 pm
Sunset         
I suppose this is a kinder way of 'using' Spike - at least she's not giving him false hope. I think he deserves a little kindness from someone, though, just as much as Buffy deserves some normal happiness. Thank god he's got something nasty to smack down!
Well, he can get some kindness from Dawn, at least. But it's not the same as having Buffy.

04/07/2007 06:12 pm
Sunset         
happy to see spike "wallowing" cut short by something he can hit. thanks for the fine read. (somehow? left the review for 7 on six. and i cannot blame the computer or the scotch. need a scapegoat.)
Heh, thanks for the review... wherever it may end up!

Mark Evans
04/07/2007 10:00 am
Sunset         
Thank you for another great chapter! I'm a Spuffy lover all the way, but I do think Buffy deserves a bit of happiness, even if it comes from something as simple as a nice date with a nice guy. But I don't see why Spike continues to punish himself. Yeah Buffy's dumb, but Spike's just as bad. Clearly Buffy isn't ready to go there with Spike, at the very least he needs to give her some space. Give himself some space, so that he can remember who he is. It's like he's defined himself solely on his love for Buffy. It's not healthy to place your entire being into one person. Especially if said person doesn't even share your feelings.
I think Buffy really needs a nice time with a normal guy. So far in her life, normal guys have run away from her, and she probably feels like she can only attract freaks (remember her reaction to Spike - "something about me must have made him go 'woof, that's the one for me'"). So it hard to see her being happy with Spike until she realizes that there's nothing wrong with her.

As for Spike, well, he is love's bitch. How long did he torture himself trying to be with Drusilla, when she wasn't faithful to him? He *has* defined himself solely on his love for Buffy, because he's made her his conscience. That's one reason I think the soul was important - to give him independence from Buffy. He didn't need to look to her for right and wrong, he could trust himself to choose.

Well, that was a longer reply than it probably needed to be, lol. Thanks for the thought-provoking review! You brought up a lot of interesting points.

04/06/2007 10:14 pm
Sunset         
Once he gets rid of the demon, he needs a change of scenery. He's not her brother, she's got the witches and Xander to watch Dawn, he needs to get out of there before it does make him crazy. I was hoping Jacob was a demon something like Cathy but I guess not. Somethings going on though since this is the second attack at her house. Hope something nasty takes a bite out of her, stupid Buffy. Well all caught up sweetie, thanks for all the updates. If Buffy doesn't change her mind soon about Spike I hope you let him move on too.
Thanks for all the reviews, even though it's difficult for a Spuffy lover to read. And sorry - Jacob's not a demon. :) Just a nice guy.

04/06/2007 08:11 pm
Sunset         
oh no!!!! hope spike can protect the two of them!!! and i gotta hand it to jacob, dinner *and* the sunset combined? *very* nice choice...love it, pet, very much looking forward to more :)
Jacob's a class act, isn't he? ;) And I wouldn't worry about Spike... he's scrappy, he always pulls through. Glad you enjoyed it, love!

04/06/2007 07:44 pm
Sunset         
I really like the gentle pacing of this story...even though you might change the pacing later, of course. You're giving us time to really get to know your characters, to feel what they're feeling. I know that when Spuffiness finally ensues, it will be genuine and earned. Please update soon!
I'm glad you appreciate the pace. Sometimes I feel like it's too slow (even I wanna say, "Oh just get it together already!") but Mr. Muse still has more story to tell before that happens. :)

04/06/2007 06:57 pm
Sunset         
SO - Jacob is the decoy, sent to lure the Slayer away while demons attack Dawn? Willow just unwittingly assisted in the plot by setting them up!
Hmmm, interesting theory. So for those keeping score, we now have two votes for evil Jacob being part of a set-up.

04/06/2007 06:24 pm
Sunset         
Whoa! Didn't see that coming. Kinda the whole point of bursting through the door,I guess, though. :D
This is coming along nicely - so real that Buffy is enjoying a date with a nice guy, and Spike is hurt. At least she realizes that she's hurting him now. That's a step in the right direction.
Thanks for the review! Was kinda going for the element of surprise with the demon there. Glad it worked.

kimi
04/06/2007 05:21 pm
Sunset         
I can't be mad at Buff especially considering the depression she came from in the last story. She just wants some happiness and Jacob seems like a good guy. I liked his joke. Maybe he's the calm she needs right now. The calm before the storm that is. With Spike being the storm. Not storm in the negative sense, but with their love being whirlwind...chaotic...massive...undeniable.
Thanks for the review! I think Spike *is* a storm - and maybe not all in the positive sense. Even if Buffy were to completely accept her feelings for Spike, it'd still be a rocky road, just because of who they are.

Tristan Charron
04/06/2007 03:10 pm
Sunset         
" She was going to have to do something about that. Make him not in love with her or something. She couldn’t have him just hanging around like a ticking time bomb, waiting for him to explode in some freak display of obsession and lust like the cattle prod and chains episode last year."


Hee! That's so Buffy-ish. I could totally have seen her saying something like that on the show. I'm very torn between liking Jacob and feeling massively bad for Spike :) Hope the demon doesn't give him too much trouble...
Heh, glad you liked the line. And if you're feeling conflicted... well, then my work here is done. :)

smlcspike
04/06/2007 01:38 pm
Sunset         
So the demon at the summers house again, I wonder if Jacob has something to do with it, last time she was out with him, one showed up there as well.
Hmm... that's an interesting thought. Very interesting, indeed. :)

time of change
04/06/2007 01:17 pm
Sunset         
I love this. The characters are so well drawn, and I love that you make Jacob so decent. It's easy to write a story where Buffy dates a total loser and turns to Spike, but realizing that she love Spike despite going out with another decent guy...that's so much harder and yet so much more rewarding for your readers! I so look forward to each chapter.
Thanks! You pretty much hit it on the head - if I do anything, it's make things "harder but more rewarding" - at least that's my goal. Buffy and Spike shouldn't be easy to get together.

04/06/2007 12:00 pm
Sunset         
Awwwww! Poor Spike! :( lol I like it that he tried to drown his sorrows with the classic girly ice cream routine :P haha I'm trying to hate Buffy's date, but he's sounding like such a sweetie pie, you're making it hard to not like him!! lol Still holding out for the fantastic Spuffy ending you promised tho!! lol :) great update!
Mwahaha, then my evil plan is working. I want you to be as conflicted as Buffy when she has to choose. Oh, and - I did promise Spuffy, but I never said it'd be at the end.... *evil grin*

04/06/2007 11:04 am
Sunset         
Huge hulking demon right on cue *G*....THIS is Buffy's life.

So sad that her only real "epiphany" was to worry that Spike would go off on her again if she didn't find a way to get him to stop loving her! It would serve her sooooooo right to have Spike REALLY look like he was moving on (or moving away). God she was an idiot, wasn't she?
Buffy still needs a few more epiphanies before she really understands Spike, lol. But as much as it'd be fun to see her jealous, I just don't see Spike being with another woman enough to do that - Buffy'd have to *really* piss him off...

kim
04/06/2007 10:33 am
Sunset         
Another demon? Did someone hire a hit?

Dang it, why do you have to make the guy all nice and sweet? And Buffy's a total bitch in denial - "Make Spike fall out of love with her"? What a mean thought!!! What a selfish bitch, thinking only about her "convenience", while her "friend" is hurting like mad from her behavior. Poor Spike....
I think part of Buffy's problem is that she doesn't really understand Spike's feelings for her. She's come a long way since Crush, when she was denying that he could love and that his feelings for her are real - but she's still somewhat afraid to let him love her.

bluebird
04/06/2007 07:10 am
Sunset         
Love your story! Please write more soon! Thanks!
Thanks for the review! Glad you like it.

hellbound
04/06/2007 06:54 am
Sunset         
Such a good story. happy sigh. Poor cut to ribbons Spike. sad sigh. That's why I love this fic. Sends my emotions running all over the place. I don't like Jacob. Partially because he's not Spike (lol) but also a little cause I don't see any real personality, but you probably just haven't gotten there yet. Will await next update impatiently.
Thanks for the review! Jacob's personality is mostly just "nice and sweet" - which is kinda the one thing Buffy tends to lack in her boyfriends. The longer he stays, the more personality he'll get (but no guarantees on how long that'll be).

04/06/2007 06:18 am
Sunset         
This fic is really well-written, but it is also so darned depressing. It's my standard reaction to fics in which I'm persuaded that Buffy really, truly does not love Spike and am invited to watch Spike suffer through it. I'll be interested to see how you bring things forward -- I'm sure you have something up your sleeve...just wish I could figure out what it might be! Good on you, BTW, for making Jacob a perfectly good guy. Makes it all the more painful, of course, but in a good kind of way.
Sorry to depress you! But fear not - I don't think Buffy "really, truly doesn't love Spike" - whether Buffy knows that is a different story, of course... It may take some convincing. ;)

Tamara
04/06/2007 06:16 am
Sunset         
Buffy really is dense . Spike can't just fall out of love because it messes with her worldview. And it's cruel for her to have him babysit while she's on a date.
Well, it was actually Dawn who asked him to baby-sit. If it were up to Buffy, she'd probably have asked Willow or Tara. And perhaps the reason Dawn did it (aside from the fact that she just likes Spike) is so Spike wouldn't be alone while Buffy was on her date...

LadyYashka
04/06/2007 06:07 am
Sunset         
1.) Buffy is an idiot. As nice as Jacob sounds, it feels like she's just settling for him because he's "safe."

2.) Poor Spike. :sigh: Not only is Buffy breaking his heart, but now he's got a demon in the house.

I'm also betting Buffy will try to find a way to blame him for this as well. :sigh: Prove me wrong...please.
I think, at this point, it's too early in the relationship to say Buffy's "settling." I mean, they've only been on two dates, that's hardly enough time to tell if you really like someone. The fact that he's "safe" (and do we know that he is??) is probably appealing, but if they were to get into something more serious, I think it would be for more reasons than just that.

04/06/2007 06:05 am
Sunset         
Well, you already know I think it's great. But I thought I would tell you again. Also, I would like to take this opportunity to ask you to kill off Jacob. I know, I know. You're going to say he's a nice guy, and he is. But he's also the guy standing between Spike and happiness, therefore he must be destroyed. :evil:
Thanks, UB. As you know, I am a review whore, so you can tell me you love it as many times as you like! ;) BTW, you literally made me laugh out loud with your request to kill Jacob. Does this mean I should be on the lookout for editorial changes of that nature? ;)

04/06/2007 05:57 am
Sunset         
It's an interesting change to see a story where the Spike rival actually seems to be a nice guy, instead of having some obvious fault that Buffy is too dumb/determined/obstinant to see.
Thanks... I think, her dating history notwithstanding, Buffy is actually capable of attracting nice, normal guys. And I think it means more if Buffy chooses Spike over someone actually worthy, rather than someone who's a jerk. What does it say about Spike if the only criterion for choosing him is "not an asshole"? I mean, honestly, I'd rather date a season 2 Spike that was actively trying to kill me than date Riley... but that's not really a ringing endorsement for Spike, you know?

Lou
04/08/2007 01:30 pm
Stupid Girls         
High time Spike stopped being a doormat.
That's what being love's bitch is all about...

04/06/2007 10:00 pm
Stupid Girls         
I know how much they love each other but maybe it's time for Spike to move on. At least start making new friends and do things away from the scoobies and Buffy. My heart just breaks for him. Not enjoying this part of the story but great work writing it, thanks.
I'll be introducing Clem eventually, but Spike's not big in the friends department. That's the thing about Spike... he doesn't really fit in with demons, or with humans, so it's hard for him to make friends. It's why he and Buffy are so perfect for each other - she doesn't really fit in, either.

04/05/2007 11:53 pm
Stupid Girls         
Loving this story an amazingly large amount!! :P I thought I wouldn't be able to handle the Buffy/other, but it's soooo worth it, cause I love jealous Spike :D You've got all the characters voices and quips down pat, love it!! Great update, can't wait for more!! :)
Aww, thanks! That's just what I like to hear - some people get turned off by B/Other or S/Other, but it just causes great conflict. Glad you're enjoying it.

04/05/2007 10:30 pm
Stupid Girls         
I love the way you portray Spike and Dawn's relationship. You capture her spazzy sweetness, and the way she sees Spike more clearly than anyone else bothers to. Your Tara, too, is lovely. I look forward to your next update!
Haha - "spazzy sweetness" - that describes Dawn so well! (Also, "teenage pain in the ass," but I try to play down that part.) And more Tara coming up too!

04/05/2007 09:25 pm
Stupid Girls         
awww, i love spike and dawn's friendship, and buffy finally caught a clue, only after it was thrown at her head, though :P great chapter, love, looking forward to more :)
Thanks! Glad you liked it!

Mark Evans
04/05/2007 08:33 pm
Stupid Girls         
Thank you for this wonderful chapter! The more I read this fic the more I love it. I even love Buffy dating Jacob, and that he's not a bad guy. Why? Because if Jacob's a decent guy, that means whenever Buffy eventually realizes she has feelings for Spike it won't be because she's running from another guy. It will be just because he's Spike. I also love the pace of this fic. On the show, things got out of hand really quickly btwn Buffy & Spike. On minute they were on the road to friendship, and the next minute it all went to hell. Your pace in getting them together means that when it does happen, it will really be special.
Aww, thanks for the sweet review! You're so right that Spike shouldn't be the rebound guy - she needs to love him for him. And I've always been a believer in the slow paced Spuffy - if she really *is* going to love him for himself, she needs time to get there.

04/05/2007 07:55 pm
Stupid Girls         
Yay Tara to state what should have been obvious (but props to Buffy for realizing she is self involved to the tenth power).

Poor Spike and stupid Buffy. She has the perfect guy right there (And I don't mean Jacob who is likely to turn out to be some form of demon with human looks *G*)and just won't act on the obvious.

Sigh.....

Lovely update. Good progress is made and love the Dawn and Spike bonding.

Kathleen
Buffy just doesn't get how self-involved she really is. Not that this will be the beginning of Selfless Buffy or anything, but it doesn't hurt to clue her in once in a while.

Thanks for the review!

04/05/2007 07:10 pm
Stupid Girls         
Great chapter. I'm so glad Buffy realised how tactless she had been when she was talking with Spike.
Thanks. Buffy's slow, but she catches on eventually. :)

04/05/2007 05:27 pm
Stupid Girls         
Nice chapter - a little Buffy "duh!" moment (which, will hopefully turn into something more fruitful), some sympathy for Spike - well done.
Buffy really needed that "duh!" moment... But with her new avoidance tactic, not sure if she's really making progress.

Thanks for the review!

04/05/2007 04:47 pm
Stupid Girls         
All I can say is 'poor Spike'. At least he has Dawn. And I really don't blame Dawn for wanting Spike to be the one in charged of keeping her safe. Buffy better figure out what she really wants with him.
With Spike and Dawn as close as they are, Spike may be working himself into their lives to the point that Buffy can't avoid dealing with it. Just hope she makes the right choice!

smlcspike
04/05/2007 01:44 pm
Stupid Girls         
Oh I love it, I wonder if Buffy will finally realize she loves Spike.
She may need another anvil for that... lol. Thanks for the review!

04/05/2007 01:20 pm
Stupid Girls         
I like the Dawn/Spike interaction--very big brother/little sister.
Thanks! I adore them, and they're fun to write.

jane
04/05/2007 08:19 am
Stupid Girls         
Argh I just want Spike to go off and find another girl and shove her in Buffys face. Let her have boring Jacob and unsatisfying sex and let him deal with her moods.
Heh, might be satisfying, but it doesn't seem like Spike right now. He's not ready to let go just yet. But maybe if she keeps dating Jacob... who knows?

PyroChilde
04/05/2007 07:50 am
Stupid Girls         
I love the Spike-Dawn interaction. It was severely missing in season six, I'm glad you aren't making the same mistake :)
Glad you like the Spike and Dawn. Their interactions in season 5 went a long way to making Dawn a likable character for me, and I missed it in later seasons. I definitely won't be neglecting them, as they're one of my favorite pairs to write for.

kim
04/05/2007 07:02 am
Stupid Girls         
Ding ding ding....thank you, Tara! And yes, Dawn, Buffy is incredibly stupid. Poor Spike....
Thank goodness for Tara, eh? :)

Tamara
04/05/2007 06:25 am
Stupid Girls         
Buffy finally bought a clue. Unfortunately she's still being a coward.
Well, can't have everything, can we? Buffy's got so many issues that it's gonna be a long process for her to really accept Spike.

Tristan Charron
04/05/2007 05:56 am
Stupid Girls         
I just realized I never reviewed this wonderful fic and feel terribly! :) Great chapter, the Spike and Dawn scene was lovely and characterizations were spot-on. I feel so bad for Spike, though! His emotions are excellently written as well, and very heartbreaking. Can't wait for to see what happens next!
Don't feel bad! Thanks for the review, it's great to hear how much you enjoy the story.

LadyYashka
04/05/2007 05:47 am
Stupid Girls         
I loved the Spike and Dawn scene. It was lovely. Poor Spike. Always in love with the stupid girls.

I'm also glad Buffy finally got a clue. It certianly took her long enough. Great update and I'm looking forward to the next.

Thanks, Lady! I love writing Spike and Dawn scenes. They have a fun rapport and such a unique relationship that provides unexpected depth. Glad you enjoyed it!

hellbound
04/05/2007 05:24 am
Stupid Girls         
This is such a fun fic to read! The characterizations are perfect; Buffy's avoidance of the issue is perfect and the way she simply ignored the fact that Spike is in love with her is completely believable. It's an incredably engaging fic and I can hardly wait for the next update.
Thank you so much! Makes me happy to hear you're so into it.

05/20/2007 07:38 am
Overflowing with Normalness         
Well, at least Spike's being a little more firm about it this time. She can't just give him time when its convenient for her. She still thinks of him as less than a person, which is why she'd never currently consider being with him. But its good to know it at least stings when he doesn't play along. Very sad, but touching ending to the chapter.
Thank you - it's a long, slow process for them to both be in a position where they can be together, but they're taking baby steps in the right direction.

Lou
04/08/2007 01:25 pm
Overflowing with Normalness         
If she had two brain cells she'd realise what's up with him. Spike should just leave her to her happy life -- see how that goes for her.
If Spike left her to it, who knows how long she'd be oblivious?

04/07/2007 05:58 pm
Overflowing with Normalness         
from insight to advoidance in moments, so buffy. is she the kid sister? thanks for the fun read. enjoy spike and dawn.
Sometimes we forget that Buffy's only 20 - she is practically still a kid. I was that dumb at 20...

Thanks for the review!

04/06/2007 09:50 pm
Overflowing with Normalness         
Well that was just stupid on her part. She knows that he's in love with her. Does she think he's her bestest girlfriend and do each others hair and talk about boys and giggle? Maybe it's time Spike looked for some one too. Hate to see either of them with other people but it might send a message to her as well. Great read, thanks.
Buffy is pretty inconsiderate, but I don't think Spike's gonna be able to date someone else that easily. He is, after all, love's bitch. Glad you're enjoying the story.

04/05/2007 03:23 am
Overflowing with Normalness         
very good read, thank you. buffy is either so dense that nothing spike says or does penetrates, or as unconcerned about anyone but herself as the rest of the scoobies.
I think maybe it's a little of both... Thanks for reviewing!

infinitecrisis
04/04/2007 07:27 pm
Overflowing with Normalness         
Buffy using Spike for muscle as usual toward the end. That's sad.

infinitecrisis
04/04/2007 07:27 pm
Overflowing with Normalness         
Buffy using Spike for muscle as usual toward the end. That's sad.
It is sad - but at least instead of using him for sex, she's using him to protect Dawn. And you *know* Dawn's gonna be doing her best to get them together. :) Thanks for the review!

Mark Evans
04/03/2007 11:02 pm
Overflowing with Normalness         
Poor Buffy, she just has no clue. You can't tell a guy who loves you about your date with another guy, and expect him to be okay with it.
She's not the greatest with guys, is she? Hopefully, she'll get a clue or two. ;)

fangfaceandrea
04/03/2007 09:26 pm
Overflowing with Normalness         
wow. we girls can be really dense we we wnat to huh?
Denial is a beautiful thing... ;)

04/03/2007 08:38 pm
Overflowing with Normalness         
Is she an idiot? He TOLD her how he felt about her before she died! How does she THINK he'd feel hearing about the nice normal boyfriend and her jollies with him? She needs a swift slap for her lack of consideration. Maybe Dawn should deliver it with a wake up call.

Excellent update....poor Spike, I cringe for him. He's right, she's all about the using of him and discarding him before he gets any of his needs met.

Kathleen
Well, in her defense, she *was* chained to a wall and being threatened with Drusilla killing her when he told her he loved her...

Despite all that went on between them, I don't think he said it again - the night she died was more "I appreciate your respect" and "I'll die for you" - which I guess is kinda the same, but not.

Anyway, I think Buffy just doesn't know how to be friends with a guy who's in love with her. She kind of fueled Xander's Angel hatred by ignoring the fact that Xander had a crush on her, and she and Angel were *terrible* at being friends in season 3.

04/03/2007 07:07 pm
Overflowing with Normalness         
not that she doesn't deserve that, because she totally does, but i feel a bit bad for the girl, cause she really was trying...i have a feeling that "just friends" isn't going to work out for those two :P lol...jacob's got guts, at least, he tried to help her fight them,and wants to see her again...so although i want him out of the picture for spuffy's sake, i hope it's not in a violent or bloody way :P great chapter, love :)
She is really trying, which means that, even though she may not love him, they're both able to hurt each other (emotionally, at least).

Hehe, I think Jacob's kinda great. It almost makes me conflicted about ditching him for Spuffy. (I said *almost* - please don't come after me with pitchforks.)

Thanks for the review!

PyroChilde
04/03/2007 05:04 pm
Overflowing with Normalness         
Aw, she's kinda dense sometimes but she's trying. I feel bad for her now.
Aww.. well, it's nice of you to feel bad, instead of wanting to beat her over the head. :)

04/03/2007 03:59 pm
Overflowing with Normalness         
She has to know that he is hurt that she went out on a date and evidently enjoyed herself. I am glad that he was there to help her.
Spike never fails to pop up when he's needed... and the poor guy suffers for it. Thanks for reviewing!

04/03/2007 03:12 pm
Overflowing with Normalness         
Oh, I like this. Stupid Buffy - can we assume she might be getting a tiny clue? :)
Heh, maybe a teensy, tiny one. ;) Thanks for the review!

smlcspike
04/03/2007 12:44 pm
Overflowing with Normalness         
Oh Spike, how could you hurt her like that, all she wanted was friendship and maybe trying to tell her feelings for him, explain things and he ruins it.
Wow, I think you're the only one on Buffy's side! :) Honestly, I feel bad for *both* of them - they can't seem to be honest and open with each other, and they just keep hurting each other. Something's gotta give.

04/03/2007 10:57 am
Overflowing with Normalness         
Can't say I blame Spike for his behaviour, it's totally understandable when Buffy shows up and begins talking about the guy she's dating. She knows Spike loves her, but to me it seems like she's pretending he doesn't.
Maybe she is pretending - or being Denial Buffy and convincing herself it doesn't matter. After being faced repeatedly with his loyalty, she's feeling guilty over how she treated him before. But she's not ready to love him, so she's going to force him into the "friend" mold, regardless of whether he can fit.

Deb
04/03/2007 10:17 am
Overflowing with Normalness         
Ouch. I read once that you should never make someone your priority, if they only consider you their option. Maybe Buffy will miss him enough to seek him out truly.
Wow, that's an awesome piece of advice. So true, and pretty much sums up the way Spike *always* is about his women (except sometimes they don't even consider him an option! poor guy).

kim
04/03/2007 09:42 am
Overflowing with Normalness         
Duh, Buffy! You know the man has feelings for you, and you're confused that he's hurt you're dating someone else?! God, she has no sensitivity whatsoever.

Poor Spike...I don't blame him for being upset when she's this obtuse.
You know, Buffy? Not too bright. But if she keeps doing it, I don't think Spike will take it for very long...

zanthinegirl
04/03/2007 09:16 am
Overflowing with Normalness         
This is really wonderful! Very believable and nuanced characterizations here; Spike in particular is nicely drawn. I adore Spike, but this version seems much more three dimensional than I'm used to seeing in fic.

Nice job with Buffy too. I don't find it hard to believe that she's still not comfortable with Spike as a romantic interest, but I suspect she'll get there.

And I like Jacob. I don't think he's the right guy long-term for Buffy, but I also think things between our favorite couple would go better if she figures that out for herself!
Thank you! I really appreciate your compliments about characterization - it's really the central point of my writing, so it's nice to hear I'm doing it well.

And I'm glad you like Jacob! I worried that Spike devotion would make people hate him on principle. But I really wanted him to be the nice guy - kind of what Riley might have been like if he hadn't been a secret military guy (and also a big dud).

04/03/2007 08:35 am
Overflowing with Normalness         
Oh, poor Spike, to have to listen to her talk about her date. Still, I suppose your version of Buffy is being kinder to Spike than Joss' version. I'm definitely intrigued to find out where you're going with this.
Well, it'd be difficult to *not* be kinder, considering Joss's Buffy used him for sex and punched him in the face a lot. But that doesn't mean it'll hurt any less.

jane
04/03/2007 08:32 am
Overflowing with Normalness         
Stupid Buffy, maybe Dawn will give her a heads up.
Let's hope someone does!

LadyYashka
04/03/2007 07:01 am
Overflowing with Normalness         
Buffy, Buffy, Buffy... :sigh:
You do not talk to the guy who is in love with you about the guy you're dating. She should know this stuff. Poor Spike.
Great update and I'm still wishing for a demon to scare Jacob off and knock some sense into Buffy.
Hehe, sorry Lady, but I guess Jacob's harder to scare off than you hoped. But look on the bright side - knowing Buffy's track record, he's probably evil. ;)

dicecanntcry
04/03/2007 06:41 am
Overflowing with Normalness         
Ah yes.

Stupid Buffy + Stupid Spike = meant to be, TRUE LOVE! haha.
Ha! That's some stellar math. Can't argue with that equation.

Tamara
04/03/2007 06:18 am
Overflowing with Normalness         
Does she really not get how much she's hurting him? I don't blame him for his behavior, he has every right to be mad.I wanna smack her good.
Yeah, I think she really doesn't get it. It may seem like common sense - don't talk about the guy you're dating with the guy that's in love with you - but I think Buffy still has trouble grasping the whole "Spike is in love with me" concept.

04/03/2007 06:13 am
Overflowing with Normalness         
Okay, time to break out the clue-by-four, because Buffy certainly needs one.
Hah... I did hit her with a two-by-four in the last story... maybe I knocked the sense *out* of her instead.

05/20/2007 07:27 am
The Date         
Poor Spike, the guy never gets a break. Now he has to watch her with someone else.
you show Buffy's conflicts really well. Very good characterization. And what makes the situation even more frustrating is that she could genuinly like the new guy, since he doesn't currently seem at all bad.
Thanks... yeah, I don't want Jacob to seem like a bad guy, because when Buffy ends up with Spike, it shouldn't be that he was just the lesser of two evils. Glad you're enjoying it.

Lou
04/08/2007 01:19 pm
The Date         
Nice try at Miss Regular Girl, Buffy!
Well, she gets an A for effort...

04/06/2007 09:39 pm
The Date         
He is loves bitch. Glad he showed and introduced himself. Let her squirm a bit. Wonder what Jacob's going think about the demons he's about to come face to face with. Hope Spike sent them, since they rarely show up at her place. Thanks for all the updates.
Yeah, Spike's trying to hold his own. That'd be funny if he sent the demons to mess with her date - except she'd be so pissed if she found out, it probably wouldn't be worth it for Spike.

Avalon
04/02/2007 01:42 pm
The Date         
Yay!! Demons to the rescue!!!... Did that sound as weird to you as to me? :P
Haha, a little weird... but I think I know what you meant. ;)

04/02/2007 01:23 pm
The Date         
From the last paragraph I can see *that* date isn't going to end well. Looking forward to more.
No... no, it's not. But that's what makes it fun. :)

Deb
04/02/2007 04:48 am
The Date         
Ahhh...the life of a slayer. No rest for her here. Have fun!
Yeah, sometimes it just sucks to be Buffy... but at least she gets to hit things.

04/01/2007 10:43 pm
The Date         
oh man, something tells me that as nice a guy as jacob seems to be, he's not gonna be able to handle the truth about buffy's life...or i don't know, maybe he *will* be able to handle it, and things will get a lot more complicated from here on out, who knows? but i'm dying to find out! :) great chapter, love :)
Glad you're enjoying it... won't tell you if you're right or not, but you'll find out soon enough. :)

Mark Evans
04/01/2007 08:10 pm
The Date         
As you can see, I'm still reading, and I'm still loving this story. I loved the way Spike got in on the date. It was just enough butting in, lol. Can't wait for the next chapter, thanks for the update!
Thanks! Glad you liked it!

04/01/2007 06:27 pm
The Date         
Typical that demons would ruin an evening for Buffy. But I was kinda glad too, cause I don't like Buffy going out with someone. But the date was okay.
Haha... I can understand the ambivalence. I want Jacob to be likable, but I know most people will never root for him over Spike.

Thanks for the review!

smlcspike
04/01/2007 03:00 pm
The Date         
Oh that is good, wonder how she will get out of this one.
Probably with lots of kicking and fighting, just like always. :) Can't say how Jacob will handle that, though.

04/01/2007 02:49 pm
The Date         
knife’s edge on which their relationship so delicately balanced was always in danger of slipping and slicing either one of them to pieces. I loved this line. So insightful, especially for the situation as you've set it up.

Growling pack of demons, huh? There goes that good-night kiss - not to mention a second date. LOL
Thanks! Glad you liked that line. That was a last minute inspiration kind of line...

Thanks for the review!

04/01/2007 11:57 am
The Date         
Silly Buffy having a cheap burger when prime steak is right there. Excellent update though.

Poor Spike, she KNOWS how he feels about her but just spaces out that he might be hurt to see her with another guy......poor baby.

Kathleen
I think she's so caught up in this "being friends with Spike" thing that she doesn't realize how hard it is to be friends with someone you're in love with, and watch them date someone else.

kim
04/01/2007 05:46 am
The Date         
Wouldn't be the day after Halloween without a pack of demons! Oooo, boy....
Well, they spent all of Halloween not doing anything, so they were probably pretty bored...

Tamara
04/01/2007 05:26 am
The Date         
It's pathetic how Buffy is letting her friends choose who she dates. They did that with Riley and look what a disaster he turned out to be.

it might betime for women to show interest in Spike and make Buffy jealous.
Oooh, jealous Buffy... I think you're trying to keep them apart even more than I am, lol!

BT_
04/01/2007 05:26 am
The Date         
woops! Never can have a nice, normal date, can she? *chuckle*
No... Buffy's life does seem to avoid normal at all costs, doesn't it?

04/01/2007 05:17 am
The Date         
I absolutely adored this chapter. I was almost ready to smack Buffy for hurting Spike's feelings, but when she kissed his cheek, I decided to hold back. I loved the way he horned in on her date, and the conversation between him and Jacob was hilarious. I especially liked the line "Still I think it'd be fun to meet them....eventually." :)

Keep up the good work!
Aww, glad you liked it. The date was pretty fun to write, with Spike popping up. You know he's not just gonna let that go by...

LadyYashka
04/01/2007 04:46 am
The Date         
Can I hope that the pack of demons runs Jacob off and possibly knocks some sense into Buffy? Probably not going to happen is it? Damn...oh well. Great update. I loved how Spike handled her "date." I can't wait for more. :)
Haha, not quite what I had in mind, but you can certainly hope! Thanks for the review!

05/20/2007 07:17 am
Trying to Help         
Awww, poor Spike, chewed out for trying to be helpful...and in front of Xander, no less.
Yeah... he just can't win with Buffy.

04/06/2007 09:28 pm
Trying to Help         
Look what happens when I don;t read for nearly a week! 5 chappies to enjoy, well kinda enjoy since she's trying to shove Spike out of her life again, hate Jacob already, just another Richard. It's bad enough I hate the name Richard. Spike was helping her before the chip and what if the chip lasts for the next 50 years! Just hurts that she can dimiss him from her life like that after all he's done for her. guess she reallt is starting to get back to her old bitchy selfish self. Can't wait to get caught up, thanks.
Nice to see you back, Verda. I always like it when there's a lot of chapters to read, because then I don't have to wait for an update. :) Thanks for the review!

Mark Evans
04/01/2007 04:31 am
Trying to Help         
Gosh I really hate Buffy's friends. Why does Buffy need to go on a date in order to make Willow feel better about pulling her out of heaven? And why does Spike keep getting the short end of the stick? I love this story and your writing, but it's difficult for me to read, because I know things will probably get worse for Spike. Mutant Enemy loved to make him miserable.
I guess I'm just one of those people who believes in making Buffy and Spike work for their happy ending... which means they've gotta suffer first. Glad you like the story, and I hope you stick with it... because trust me, I am not ME! (uh... ME being Mutant Enemy, because obviously I am *me*)

04/01/2007 01:48 am
Trying to Help         
enjoyed the read, thank you. buffy is being buffy, a self centered b..... which is why she fit so well with her egocentric friends. willow cannot see past "i want it this way" and xander should have died with jesse.

04/01/2007 01:47 am
Trying to Help         
enjoyed the read, thank you. buffy is being buffy, a self centered b..... which is why she fit so well with her egocentric friends. willow cannot see past "i want it this way" and xander should have died with jesse.
Heh... somebody doesn't like the main characters much, huh? ;) Thanks for the review!

smlcspike
03/30/2007 09:02 pm
Trying to Help         
Oh I love it, I love the you guys went out patroling all the time when you were my age, ackually Spike didn't it was Angel when She was Dawns age he was trying to kill her.
Heh, I think she meant Buffy and her friends, but yeah, Spike was definitely trying to kill Buffy when she was Dawn's age. And now he's babysitting... my, how things change.

03/30/2007 06:51 pm
Trying to Help         
oh poor spike...i'm so frustrated with buffy for being so unreasonable with him, and giving xander more ammunition for his stupid comments...*sigh*...great chapter, though, i just keep getting this really bad feeling about what xander might do to mess things up for them... :( great chapter :) looking forward to more :)
Heh, I've got to keep that sense of foreboding... can't let them be too happy, or Spike wouldn't be love's bitch, now would he? ;) Thanks for the review, love!

03/30/2007 04:44 pm
Trying to Help         
Spike just couldn't stop himself. Now he is going to have to work double hard to get to spend time with Dawn now. He just proved that Willow and Xander are right. Awesome story.
Glad you like it. Think Spike can get himself back into Buffy's good graces? ;)

time of change
03/30/2007 01:15 pm
Trying to Help         
Eeep. Poor Spike. Poor. Buffy. Poor Dawn.

Xander and Willow? As the years pass, my love for them keeps getting smaller and smaller.
Heh, guess we know where your sympathies lie then!

Lou
03/30/2007 01:07 pm
Trying to Help         
Who needs enemies when you have friends like that? It's high time Dawn learned to look after herself -- it's not like she's 10 or something. Grrrr they make my blood boil. It's a shame Spike puts up with it.
That seems to be a common problem, treating Dawn like she's 10 - I do it too sometimes, when I write her! Partly because she was written younger than her age on the show, and because of the overprotectiveness that being the Key generated, Buffy never really adjusted to Dawn being a teenager.

Deb
03/30/2007 12:05 pm
Trying to Help         
Great start. You really nail Spike characterization on the head. Such fun to read. Looking forward to more.
Thanks for the review! I'm glad you like it.

03/30/2007 10:43 am
Trying to Help         
Stupid Buffy. She really was off base (on the show too) with her idea of protecting Dawn all the while leaving her sister vulnerable! Spike had the right of it in teaching her a thing or two and if you touch on the canon Halloween story, she'll need it!

Buffy also needs to see hoe unalike Angelus/Spike are and that it would not be history repeating itself even if the chip were gone. That was the problem in canon too, she just didn't "see" Spike until the end when it was too late. Angel really messed up Buffy's mind.

Excellent update.

Kathleen
Thanks for the review! I'm not gonna use the Halloween episode in this story, but I'm sure Dawn will find some other way to get in trouble! So it'd be good for her to have some sort of training. And you're right on the money with the Angel/Spike thing - hopefully this Buffy will get a clue before Spike's, you know, dying.

LadyYashka
03/30/2007 09:16 am
Trying to Help         
Xander really ticked me off at the end of this chapter. Dawn really should learn to take care of herself because she can't have a bodyguard 24/7 for the rest of her life. However, Spike should have asked Buffy first, but knowing Dawn, she probably talked him into it.

Great chapter and I'm looking forward to more.
I think Buffy's kind of in denial about Dawn being independent. There's really no long-term plan for keeping her safe - in Buffy's mind, she'll just never grow up and always be protected by Buffy and/or Spike. Which is unrealistic, and something Buffy should think about - but probably not something Spike and Dawn should take into their own hands.

03/30/2007 07:13 am
Trying to Help         
It seems like everyone is going with the old "easier to get forgiveness than permission" idea. It might work for Xander and Willow, but it certainly won't for Spike and Dawn.
Hmm... you've hit on a pretty good (if unintentional) theme. And you're right, some people get forgiveness from Buffy a lot quicker than others.

kim
03/30/2007 06:27 am
Trying to Help         
He's right....can't keep the little girl a little girl forever. And she *should* get some self-defense training, because just being Buffy's sister makes her a target even if she never leaves the house! And what about when she goes off to college.....
College? I don't think Buffy's looking that far ahead. She's still adjusting to Dawn being in high school. :) Poor Dawn will probably end up at UC Sunnydale, living at home with her crazy sister.

Tamara
03/30/2007 04:47 am
Trying to Help         
Spike's right . Dawn does need to know how to defend herself.Evenif there weren't the usual human evils then the supernatural pose a threat. Afterall , look how many bad guys know who Buffy is and where she lives.
Yeah, Buffy's too overprotective of Dawn to really see the value of teaching her how to defend herself. Plus, why bother when she has a superpowered babysitter at her beck and call?

03/30/2007 04:16 am
Trying to Help         
Great chapter. I loved the Disco Vamp, also, Buffy's reaction to Home Depot. Very cute and reminiscent of the show.

At first, I was going to tell you that I was enjoying the interaction between Buffy and Xander, but after the little comments he made about (and to) Spike, I'm going to retract that statement. Ah, Xander, every time I think I could like you...

Spike's protectiveness of Dawn is touching and also completely in canon. One of the things I hated most about the show was how it completely dropped the Spike/Dawn friendship after early season six. I loved their chemistry, the way Spike tried to behave all "big brother" around her. Nice to see you picking up the ball that the BtVS writers dropped.

Now...more! Soon! :P
Thanks, love! You know that's so totally me in Home Depot... Man, I was trying so hard for sympathetic Xander, but he just has to snark, I can't stop him. My goal, though, is to make him more likable without totally eliminating the animosity between him and Spike (since that's such a huge part of his character). And I love love love Spike and Dawn - so there will be plenty more of those two coming up.

04/07/2007 03:48 am
Unforgivable         
Such a cute story, and so well written. Really like the pun(ch) at the end. Not "handling" it well indeed.
Heh... wow, I wish I could take credit for that pun, but it was entirely unintentional!

03/30/2007 10:49 pm
Unforgivable         
Great Chapter. Really enjoyed the gang's banter. It reminded me very much of the show.

Good way to introduce Giles, with tail-between-legs after throwing Buffy to the dogs (yet again!) Curious to see where this is headed.
Thanks, glad you liked it!

03/30/2007 02:39 am
Unforgivable         
giles in trouble with red and xander for doing what they did and are planning to do again. have to love such confidence, "only I know what is best." give me more enemies and fewer friends of that caliber. very good read, thank you.
Yeah, everybody thinks they know what's best for Buffy, but nobody ever asks her what she wants.

03/29/2007 11:55 pm
Unforgivable         
oh i hope she convinced him to stay...i feel so bad for him, because he really meant it for the best...great chapter, love :)
Don't worry, Giles isn't going anywhere. He did mean it for the best... and at least Buffy understands, even if the Scoobies are still angry.

smlcspike
03/29/2007 01:53 pm
Unforgivable         
Oh I love it.
Thank you!

time of change
03/29/2007 12:43 pm
Unforgivable         
Lovely interchange between Buffy and Giles. Your writing in the scene is subtle and very powerful.
Thank you! What a great compliment!

03/29/2007 12:07 pm
Unforgivable         
So glad Buffy understands. Anya was on the money....age doth not wisdom make. We are all subject to massive screw ups.

LOVE the domestic scene that morning. Gotta give Dawn props for not teasing Spike over the shirt. Clearly she didn't want to mess things up just when they are getting interesting.

Lovely update...still wonderfully in character (okay, Buffy is a bit more mature earlier but that is to the good *G* and plausible too).

Kathleen
Well, Buffy is mature about some things... she can handle the Giles situation, because I think she has a good grasp on how to be a mature Slayer. But the personal stuff? Relationships, finances, taking care of Dawn... eh, not so much. :) Which kind of makes sense - because at 20, I wasn't mature about those things either. Being the Slayer for so long has given her maturity beyond her years about things like death and duty, but it doesn't translate well to non-Slayer aspects of her life.

03/29/2007 10:56 am
Unforgivable         
Boy, was Anya right! as much as I'm pissed at him too, it's not like they should be throwing stones either. Buffy needs all the people that love her around to be there for her and for each other. Seeing Spike in Buffy's clothes, gave Dawn something to giggle about, during the day. Love this fic, thanks.
Yeah, I like when Anya's right... she doesn't get enough credit. And you don't know how much it pleased me to put Spike in a kitten t-shirt. :D

Lou
03/29/2007 10:26 am
Unforgivable         
Good to see such a resolute Buffy for a change.
When it comes to being the Slayer, at least, I think she knows how to be resolute. She was pretty steadfast in a lot of season 5 ("If anyone comes near Dawn, I'll kill them" comes to mind). This is the same girl who stood up to the Council and refused to jump through hoops to get what she needed. So I think she's mature enough to tell Giles what's what. Just don't ask her to defy her friends... While the Slayer is strong, Buffy as a girl is still full of insecurities.

kim
03/29/2007 10:08 am
Unforgivable         
Wow, matureness from Buffy.....I think I might faint.
*gets out smelling salts for kim* I think it's about time she gained some maturity, don't you?

03/29/2007 08:58 am
Unforgivable         
I like your version of why Giles might leave a lot better than the S6 reason given.
Thanks, I do too... I also like that he *doesn't* leave. :)

anon462
03/29/2007 05:20 am
Unforgivable         
Very, Very Good!!! Excellent!!! :)
Thanks for the enthusiastic review! :)

Mark Evans
03/29/2007 04:24 am
Unforgivable         
Thanks for yet another wonderful chapter. You write so well! How can the scoobies be so angry with Giles for doing what he thought was best, when they did the exact same thing with bringing Buffy back from the dead, and trying to cure her by fixing her up on a date, and constantly involving themselves in her life. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Yeah, there's a lot of "pot, kettle, black" going around. The Scoobies just see things from their perspective - THEY were trying to help, Giles almost got Buffy killed. I think Buffy has a somewhat different perspective. ;)

Mark
03/29/2007 04:21 am
Unforgivable         

03/29/2007 03:31 am
Unforgivable         
Great chapter! I like the way you're building your world with so much integrity...you're an elegant writer.
Wow, that's an awesome compliment. Thanks, Alia!

Typerbabe57
03/29/2007 03:27 am
Unforgivable         
Great fic! Love the dialogue and interaction between the characters. Looking forward to seeing how things develop between Buffy and Spike, and how the Scoobies will react to their "relationship."
Thanks! Glad you're liking it so far.

05/20/2007 05:32 am
Starting Over         
Awww, how very cruel giving him the pink kitten shirt, and very tender a moment afterwards. Hehe. The whole thing was almost domestic, a side of the two that we didn't often get to see.
Thanks! I like the domestic scenes - and I admit, I liked dressing Spike up in the ridiculous T-shirt. :)

04/06/2007 05:34 am
Starting Over         
Very nice moments there.
Thanks! Glad you liked it.

03/30/2007 02:25 am
Starting Over         
one step forward. when the scoobies start screwing around, five steps back. sweet read, thank you.
Thanks, glad you liked it!

03/29/2007 05:58 am
Starting Over         
Wonderful update - looking forward to more soon!
Thanks, glad you liked it!

time of change
03/28/2007 12:24 am
Starting Over         
Lovely.
Thanks for the review, but I have to ask - is "lovely" the word of the day or something? Three reviews in a row... lol.

Lou
03/27/2007 09:00 pm
Starting Over         
That was a lovely interlude between Buffy and Spike -- I suspect it's too good to last!
Yeah, probably... nothing's ever easy with these two.

Deb
03/27/2007 08:01 pm
Starting Over         
Lovely interaction between characters. Look forward to seeing where you take it.
Thanks! Glad you liked it.

anon462
03/27/2007 07:16 pm
Starting Over         
This is very good. :) I like this kind of gentle start to the possibility of something happening between the two of them. Of course I know that Willow is going to screw it up, but only with the best intentions (barf). Looking forward to more.
*hands anon a barf bag*

Thanks for the review. It's definitely going to be a slow process for them.

03/27/2007 05:36 pm
Starting Over         
I always thought it was interesting how often the scoobies (and Buffy of course) seemed to hold Spike to a human standard in everything. Angelus was blown off as a "soulless vampire...who can expect anything else from him" but with Spike they expected and demanded he hold to a human code of morals. They brought up the "vampire" and "no soul" only when wanting to deny him the human privlidges that went with it. Nice Buffy noticing how "easy" it is to forget he's a vampire.

LOL on the sleep attire she provided and love how he put them on anyway. The sweet moment with a sleeping Dawn was a treasure too.

As for the thank you....that soooooo should have happened on the show!

Lovely update.

Kathleen
It's kind of ironic that, because Spike actually DOES act more human than Angelus, he ends up getting punished for the ways he acts like a vampire, because he's raised the bar for himself. He tries to be human, but he's never human enough to satisfy the Scoobies, but he's not evil enough to get the free pass Angelus gets. The poor guy can't win.

Thanks for the thought-provoking review!

03/27/2007 05:28 pm
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awww, how very very sweet...i love this story, you do the emotions so well, and i love buffy seeing spike differently through his behavior with dawn...very well done, love :)
Thanks! It really bugs me that Buffy can go from "you treat me like a man" to "evil soulless thing" so quickly, and I think a lot of the name-calling came out of her own self-loathing. So maybe if Buffy's not so wrapped up in her post-resurrection depression, she can be more aware of who Spike really is.

03/27/2007 04:57 pm
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Awesome update, Eoywynn. Really phenomenally romantic scene.
Thanks for the review! Glad you're liking it.

fangfaceandrea
03/27/2007 02:57 pm
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gahh!! lovely!!!
Hee, glad you liked it!

03/27/2007 02:40 pm
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Great chapter. She finally thanked him, that was perfect, thanks.
Yeah, "thank you" is right up there with "I love you" and "I'm sorry" in the list of things Buffy doesn't say enough...

smlcspike
03/27/2007 02:32 pm
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Oh I love it.
Thanks for the review!

kim
03/27/2007 02:05 pm
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Wow, a patient Spike sure does get the rewards.....
Well, they've still got a ways to go yet. But I bet he's pretty happy with the way things are going right now.

03/27/2007 12:35 pm
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Oooooh....Nice. Funny and sweet and with little zings of hotness. One of the hallmarks of your awesome writing is how real your characters seem...especially in their internal dialoge. I also loved Spike in the kitten tee shirt, and the moment of tenderness with Dawn, and the sexiness of the two of them after the rain. Is there any chance of convincing to up your rating in future chapters...say, to an R? Maybe? Please?
Rest assured, I will be bumping it up to an R eventually (might hit NC-17, not sure yet) but it's gonna take awhile to get there. I just can't make things easy for Spuffy, it's against my nature. In the meantime, hope you enjoy the subtle spice. :)

03/27/2007 11:30 am
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I prefer taking things slow Spike--hopefully Buffy will, too. Loved the Princess Bride reference, by the way.
Thanks! I love the Princess Bride, and I feel Buffy should too. :)

03/27/2007 07:26 am
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AAaaawww.....how sweet! I can't wait for the next update. :)
Thanks, glad you liked it!

05/20/2007 05:20 am
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Grrrr. As much as the scoobies aren't mindless villians, they sure know how to get in the way of a good thing.
Well, I'd say "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" but that might seem like an plug for the sequel, lol! But it's still true...

03/30/2007 02:16 am
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the wonderful egocentric scoobies at their best. fun read, thank you.
They're a predictable group, that's for certain. Thanks for the review!

Lou
03/27/2007 08:47 pm
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Aren't they a bunch of charmers!
Heh, yes, they certainly are.

dj
03/26/2007 08:40 pm
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good, very good, want to see a jealous spike.

dj
03/26/2007 08:39 pm
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good, very good, want to see a jealous spike.
Thanks! You'll see plenty. :)

03/26/2007 04:40 pm
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Haha... this is great. Luvin'your Xander and Anya dialogue. Spot on and hilarious. Hope you keep going.
Thanks! Glad you liked it.

03/26/2007 02:33 pm
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Maybe if they just stopped trying to interfere in her life? Or maybe tried to help with something big like, oh, the money she doesn't have?
They definitely should stop meddling, but I can see why they don't help her with the money problem. Willow and Tara have rent and college tuition (Willow's parents may pay, but I doubt Tara's do) and neither has time for more than a part-time job. Xander and Anya both have jobs, but with a wedding to pay for, when Anya has no parents and Xander's don't seem to be much help, they probably don't have much to spare either. I also think they're not any more mature than Buffy is, and other people's money problems just aren't the kind of thing 20 year olds think about. Well, Anya is probably thinking about money, but not about sharing it! On the other hand - dating? Definitely something college-age people think about! :)

03/26/2007 02:22 pm
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oh they are so wrong :( of course, they have the best of intentions, and you actually brought out some sympathy in me for xander, of all people, toward the end there ;P excellent chapter, love, looking forward to more :)
Thanks, sweetie! I like giving Xander depth and making him sympathetic. I always liked him and hated the direction his character went. At first, he seemed to have a strong measure of distrust for vampires, but was a good person at heart, even if he sometimes did jackassy things (like not telling Buffy Willow was trying to restore Angel's soul). Then he became a caricature of himself and just existed to be judgmental and make nasty remarks about Spike. He's still gonna do that too, but I like to at least give him a good reason. :)

smlcspike
03/26/2007 01:33 pm
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Oh I love it, can't wait for more.

They seem so sure of themselves with this idea, wonder what will go wrong.
Heh, I think there plenty here that could go wrong. Scary thing is - what if it goes right?

03/26/2007 01:18 pm
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Off to a great start. Can't wait to see where you go with this.
Thanks, glad you liked it!

03/26/2007 04:04 am
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Idiots not to see the good that could come of her being with Spike with just the right encouragement. Very in character though. Nice opener.

Kathleen
Thanks, glad you like it. The Scoobies never seem to see the good that could come out of Spike... but maybe they'll learn their lesson? (Or maybe not...)

fangfaceandrea
03/26/2007 03:02 am
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cool a sequel!!! and is starting very nicely, damm scoobies thoygh, always meddling and messing with my spuffy .

will be waiting for more :D
Thanks! But it wouldn't be any fun if nobody meddled with the Spuffy, right?

03/26/2007 02:16 am
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:sigh: The Scoobies are really dumb. Buffy is starting to drink too much so let's blame Spike. Buffy is depressed. Solution? Set up her on a blind date and get her away from Spike who is the one person she will talk too. I mean, we all know dating isn't stressful at all and is the perfect cure for depression.
:sigh:
Yeah, they don't always come up with the best ideas, do they? But if they did, we'd have no story. ;)

kim
03/26/2007 01:48 am
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Oh, boy.....here they go again.
Yep. :) I can't let it be too easy, now, can I?

03/26/2007 01:44 am
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I'm so glad you've got another story up...and the sequel we all wanted, too! And I love seeing jealous Spike...well worth a little Buffy/Other. His jealousy makes him so raw, and those hot, swirly emotions always make for great storytelling. Please update as soon as you can!
I think *any* Spike emotion makes for good storytelling, but for Spike it's really all about unrequited love, and nothing puts that into quite as harsh a perspective as Buffy with another man.