Closure by Eowyn315
Chapter: Chapter 17

Cate
09/01/2008 10:13 am
Just a note to all the whiners out there who have the audacity to completely and just plain rudely insult the turn of events that this writer has chosen to take with their (that’s right THEIR) story, to bloody bugger off! If you don’t like it, you can just simply say “I don’t like these turn of events” or just not read anymore, but keep your nasty and spiteful comments to yourself. It’s okay to give constructive criticism to help these writers who write (just for the heck of it), but keep your idiot comments to yourself or go tell them somewhere else, ‘cause no one here really gives a frick.

Now for my comment hehehe… Personally I love this story and I can’t get enough of it. Personally I didn’t really see it as rape. Although I don’t agree with any notion that rape is a forgivable act, I believe Buffy’s reaction was quite understandable. Please, please, please, do not change your plot for any asshole that decides to criticise your work. For those people who wish to read comments before the actual chapter, do not allow the very negative comments of a few people deter you from reading the story, but take judgement into your own hands. Eowyn315, you write absolutely wonderfully! Ah ranting done… now I can breathe.

Heh, thanks for that! No changing anything here - it's just about all written, anyway, so complaints won't do any good. :) I'm so glad to hear that you're enjoying the story!

kw
09/01/2008 04:19 am
another cliffhanger look foward to more
Thanks! Glad you liked it!

Miss C
08/31/2008 03:12 am
Holy Crap!! Didn't see that coming! Enjoying your story. Can't wait for more.
Thank you! Glad I was able to surprise you. :)

ya_lublyu_tebya
08/30/2008 01:59 pm
I just had to review again because I just looked at the other reviews and WOW, there's some real hatred out there. I just want to tell you that you are awesome - one of my favourite authors here - and I love every word you write. This story is one of your finest and that twist was amazing - you explained it well and it made sense. I would take comfort in the fact that the people leaving such pathetic comments couldn't write like you to save their lives. You rule, Eowyn! Keep up the good work!
Aww, you're such a sweetie! Yeah, I was surprised that there was so much negativity (particularly here, where there are rarely flamers), but other than being annoyed at getting spammed, I've not even given it a second thought. The overwhelming majority of responses (from all the sites where I've posted) was positive and encouraging, and I don't intend to change a word of what I've written just because a few jackasses curse me out. :) Thank you for the support, hon!

All4Spike
08/29/2008 11:35 pm
So glad it wasn't Spike. Knew it wasn't because of the bruises but you can never tell... Now then... who was it that Spike heard approaching? I hope Buffy continues to trust Spike, He didn't do anything wrong, just self defence lying by omission really...
who was it that Spike heard approaching?

That's a very good question... As for Buffy, I think she's still pretty hurt by what Spike did, but it's not over yet...

ya_lublyu_tebya
08/29/2008 03:38 pm
Uh oh. Looks like there's more... Look forward to the next update.
Thanks! Glad you're enjoying it.

08/29/2008 02:02 pm

I love this story for so many reasons. It's original. It has a mystery. It has a great plot. Characters are incredibly in character. And best of all it doesn't have Spike like this saint, makes-no-mistakes, lovey-dovey character that some Spuffy fans crave. 

So don't be bothered by what Terrible Story is blathering, and I really wish the mods erase all his/her comments because all s/he does is spam around.

Oh, it's not the sentiment that bothers me... I know that I'm writing a good story that's true to canon, and other than a few idiots, most of my readers have been very enthusiastic and supportive about both the story and this chapter. The thing that is a problem is that this one asshole has decided to waste my time by leaving 45 reviews all spewing the same bullshit. I'm not sure what s/he thinks s/he's proving, other than that s/he is clearly unstable and possibly off his/her medication. Unfortunately, only Dia can permanently delete comments and ban IP addresses.

Anyway, thank you for the lovely comments! I'm so glad that you're enjoying the story, and that you appreciate a Spike who is still evil (because let's face it - he's a vampire) and makes mistakes.

08/29/2008 09:35 am
Wow - really big surprise to me - real big disappointment for me that Spike would have given in to the temptation and passion, even with Buffy being the instigator - but this also feels like just the kind of thing that would happen to him - being so caught up by the moment, passion, and desire for love - then having everything turn straight to hell.   With their history his fears of being staked and her not accepting that she had wanted to have sex as much as he did is very much in character - still, Spike was foolish and out of control to act on their mutual desire.  I was expecting that one of The Initiative men had raped her - this bringing in of Spike as part of the whole rape ordeal is a really effective plot twist. 

This will be a very difficult thing for Buffy to try to deal with - and now with another person involved, things can only get worse.   Looking forward to see where you take everything. 
Thank you! I agree - it's pretty in character that Spike would give in to Buffy in this situation, and I'm not sure why a few people seem so appalled that I've apparently made Spike a rapist. I'm glad you appreciated the twist, and I hope you like the reveal of the real rapist, as well. Thanks for reviewing!

Terrible Story
08/29/2008 07:41 am
Some people know that Spike isn't a white knight and I know I wouldn't want him to be. But that doesn't mean we feel that he would have raped Buffy especially in this story. What we really pissed me off is that Spike slept with her again and starting this relationship with her. If he really loved her then he wouldn't have done that without telling Buffy the truth. So Spike may not be a white knight but I get sick of tired of people saying he raped Buffy. When Buffy abused him and used his feelings.
Seriously, you need to chill out. If you're so pissed that I've wasted your time, then why would you go to the trouble of spending HOURS spamming my story? You're only wasting more of your own time. I have no idea why you're freaking out about Seeing Red, since this story is NOT about that, and I never said it was. The circumstances are completely different. I get that you're sick of people saying Spike raped Buffy, but this ISN'T SEEING RED. Buffy isn't abusive in this fic AT ALL, so I don't know why you're even saying it. You're clearly confusing my story with an episode that has NOTHING to do with it.

If you don't like the story, fine, but there's no need to be a fucking asshole about it.

Terrible Story
08/29/2008 06:04 am
Buffy is a saint and Spike is so evil. Buffy does no wrong cause she is above everybody.
This many negative comments is uncalled for, and at this point would be considered spamming. You made your point (rudely), and continuing to post isn't going to change my mind or the story. I'm reporting you to the mods.

Terrible Story
08/29/2008 05:53 am
You such ass and so does this story.   You ruin a great story by doing this. Fuck this story and fuck you.  Of course we know this season 4 Spike. But this is also fanfiction which means characters may act different than from the show.   Buffy should not take Spike back after this.  I wouldn't want them together now.  No matter what Spike does I don't want them together. Now, you also made Spike have to beg for forgiveness to the holier than thou Buffy.   This story makes me want to heave.. I wasted so much time. So much time. You really should have warned readers about this before we wasted this time.

What a suck ass story.
*giggles* Let me guess - you created that penname just to comment on my fic, didn't you? Gosh, that makes me feel pretty special.

You may want to take note that the story is in fact labeled with a rape warning, and if you weren't comfortable with the possibility that anyone could've done it, it's your own fault for reading it. If you think I'm going to give away a major plot twist at the beginning of the story just to keep a few ignorant people from getting upset and "wasting their time," then you don't know a whole lot about storytelling.

Dee Bradfield
08/29/2008 03:44 am
Just jumping on the supportive bandwagon here. *bounces* Wow. Sturdy. :)
This is one of those rare stories that doesn't just concentrate on one (shallow) facet of what are some very, very complex characters. (That is, after all, why we love them so much). Judging by the grammar in your negative reviews, the wouldn't grasp the concept of good writing anyway. You are doing and excellent job. Keep it up.
Judging by the grammar in your negative reviews, the wouldn't grasp the concept of good writing anyway.

LOL! I didn't want to say it, but... well, you said it for me. :) Thank you for reviewing! I appreciate the support.

dustyelle
08/29/2008 03:07 am
what a great story this is! I really think people forget that Spike was not very nice in season 4 and Buffy was never nice to him.  Also, he did,nt consider it rape because at the time-and only at the time-it was Buffy who was seducing him.  Also, did'nt spike get his soul because he attempted rape in seeing red, and was it his soul he was seaking or giving her what he desearved.  So it isnt out of character for spike.  Again, wonderful story and please don't let bad apples get you down. 
Yep, I think you're right on target... I can't help it if some people want an unrealistic, fluffy Spuffy story... Thank you for the review, and I'm glad you enjoyed it!

08/29/2008 01:42 am
ha! i accept that. spike feels guilty cuz they did go at it, but buffy really was raped by someone else too. great chapter. can't wait to find out who the evil, evil ******* is. loser, whoever he is.
Thanks for the review! I'm glad you liked it. :)

08/29/2008 01:07 am
Fabulous misdirection, my dear! lol (Although I knew Spike couldn't have been the one to rape her because of the bruises. *alows self to feel slightly smug for a moment* I still have no idea who did rape her though, so that is only the very teeniest bit of smugness. LOL

I love Buffy seducing Spike!

It’s suicide, mate, he told himself.

But what if it wasn’t? What if she meant it? What if he could have her, not as a conquest, a quick fuck or a victorious kill, but as a lover

That's our boy, isn't it? Always Love's Bitch!

I also love the fact that Spike was so caught up in his emotions that the bruises didn't click with him when she first confronted him--poor sod has spent all this time thinking that he was responsible for Buffy feeling the way she did, and being too scared to tell her what had actually happened between them, and he only now realises that there was someone else...
LOL, go ahead and feel smug... for now. Then I can be smug when I surprise you with the real rapist. :)

Spike is indeed love's bitch, isn't he? Although I maintain he didn't truly fall for her until after she'd started to confide in him, but there was definitely chemistry there right from the start. Also, Spike never saw the bruises, so it wasn't until Buffy mentioned them in this chapter that he had any clue she'd been hurt.

Thank you for the lovely review, darling!

08/28/2008 10:20 pm
WTF!! I want to see that tape! Those sneaky Initiative bastards. I swear Spike just can't catch a break, but since this is all about spuffy goodness...it will all work out in the end....right?
We'll have to wait and see how it works out... ;) Thanks for the review!

Shiko
08/28/2008 09:26 pm
Wow... I seem to be the only one who actually likes this twist. I can picture Spike being weak and sleeping with Buffy, even if it wasn't totally consensual. I can't remember though, did he know that she was drugged? At that point?
If not, then she seduced him and it isn't really his fault. We've all seen Buffy drunk (not exactly reasonable then, you know?) and he is still evil, your readers would do good to remember that.
I was really looking forward to this chapter and I am not disappointed. I am relieved though, that Spike didn't actually rape Buffy. Even if he could, he wouldn't have hurt her. But we've all seen season 6 and we know that Spike is capable of hurting or raping Buffy.
So I am still looking forward to the next chapter and I will keep reading this story. I have seen loads of bad fanfiction, lots OOC-Characters and your fanfiction is not one of those, yours is in a whole other league. So don't let it get you down, what other people wrote, because they just want to read happy-Buffy-happy-Spike-let's-have-happy-sex-fanfiction and that's not exactly what's your story about. Keep writing your story, as you imagined it. And I will keep reading it to the end. You rock.

Shiko
Sijay@gmx.net
Oh, don't worry, you're not the only one. I've gotten plenty of reviews on LiveJournal as well, and not a single on of them is negative. Just a few spoilsports here on the 'verse, I guess.

To answer your question, no, Spike didn't know she was drugged, and just thought she was drunk at the time. He didn't find out she was drugged until she did. It's still not morally right on his part, but as you pointed out, he's still evil, and more than capable of this and much worse. I think a lot of readers tend to forget that and just want happy, fluffy Spuffy. And that's definitely NOT what I write. :)

Thank you for the wonderful review, and I appreciate the kind words and support!

08/28/2008 07:17 pm
Wow, i'm quite shocked by some of these reviews. Perhaps unconventional, but what would good fanfic be if it was all predictable? This is a twist I wasn't expecting, but I quite liked the way you've taken it -  i can't wait to find out what happens next. Everyone's entitled to an opinion sure, but I think that flat out insulting is a step too far.

I liked it, does that make me "disgusting" too? I am thoroughly enjoying this story, please don't change the way you're writing just because some people don't like it, you can't please everybody.
Thank you for the lovely review! You know, some people just want the same old saintly Spike fluffy fic, and that's not what I write. Never has been (as anyone who's read my earlier fics will tell you), and I don't intend to change it just because a few people are rude and obnoxious. :)

mockerofshoes
08/28/2008 06:19 pm
Don't let those mean reviews get you down! I think your twist is just fine - remember, spike=evil vampire? big bad? Does anyone else remember Seeing Red? I think a lot of stories tend to show spike as a ridiculously noble white knight... but I think your story stays true to Joss's spike, who is always making stupid mistakes like this.  Please don't let the critical reviews discourage you - keep writing! You've got a great story here, as usual.
...and I wonder, who is our real scary raper? I can't wait to find out!
Thank you! I don't intend to let anything get me down! :) I completely agree with you - anyone expecting white knight Spike is looking in the wrong place. People seem to want to forget what Spike was like when he first came to Sunnydale. I appreciate the support and the kind words about the story!

Bridget
08/28/2008 05:46 pm
I almost did not read this chapter because I read the reviews first.  I am not happy that Spike had sex with Buffy and she was not aware of it.  That is still rape and there is no justification for it.  If he did not feel guilty he would have told her.  It seems as if someone else did also rape Buffy.  I hope you have plans to somehow fix this story because I did really like it.  But I don't  believe that Spike would have taken advantage of Buffy in that situation no matter how much he wanted her.  I can't say great chapter because it was not great to me but I am hoping for better things.    I do think you are a good writer though.
Thanks for the review. I don't intend to "fix the story," because I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Angst and a Spike who's still somewhat evil are pretty much exactly what I was going for. If you mean will I fix the relationship so that Buffy and Spike can get back together... that, you'll just have to wait and see.

Not amused
08/28/2008 05:23 pm
Well, I think this will never be my favourite chapter but I do trust you to come up with a storyline that deserves the title "closure". You are a great writer and it would be a shame to end it here - please continue.
Thank you... I have no intention of ending it here, so I'm glad to hear you'll keep reading.

Spike lover
08/28/2008 04:53 pm
wow.. horrible twist.... I dont know what you were thinking.. Spike knew she wasnt acting like her self (obviously she was drunk) and he still did it, and lied about it... made her feel sick and go to a therapist!!! He didnt rape her.. BUT he did it with her really knwing what she was doing, and all this time she was going to him for help and he never said anything! it's sick!

It's sad that you made this very bad twist, because the story was great till then.... well, gotta say I wont read it anymore, because i love Spike and if I was Buffy, I would never be able to forgive him for something so low. You made him a jerk, coward man, and I dont believe he is this way. So i will have to stop reading your story... hope your future ones, you think more about the twist, before you write it.
You remember Spike is evil, right? Believe me, I thought long and hard about the plot of this story, and I never once questioned this twist. If you don't like it, that's too bad for you, but I don't regret a thing.

LiLi
08/28/2008 04:45 pm
I HATE THAT U DID THAT! Spike? are u fucking serious??? all this time, all this time she thought she was raped and it was him??? are u fucking seroius??? I cant believev I wasted days reading a such disgusting story! I know he didnt force her, but he made her believe that she was raped for days, she was suffering and he didnt say anything! u are a horrble writer, and I have to repat. I CANT BELIEVE I WATED DAYS READING THIS BULLSHIT! but i will stop reading at this moment and wont read any more of your horrible stories! u have a disgusting twisted mind if u think that any woman would forgive someone who lied about that for days!!! u are disgusting!
Okey doke. Interesting that I haven't seen a single comment from you before this, on this or any other fic of mine. I guess you weren't reading very closely if you missed that Buffy was actually raped by someone else. Also, I don't see anywhere in this chapter that Buffy's forgiven Spike, which means you're making assumptions about something you haven't even read yet. But hey, if this is the way you behave, I'd be thrilled if you stopped reading my fic.

08/28/2008 03:22 pm
I'm not sure if I like this turn...
Even if she DID insist and want him at that moment, she was still very drunk (drugged, actually, right?) so therefore unable to give knowlegeable concent.  Spike knew she was drunk - mentions it several times, in fact.  Now, I know he's not superman, and he really wanted her and all, but still...technically, it's still rape.
AND, he has thought all this time that he WAS the one who did it, even if there was somebody else after him.  He let it eat her up inside, knowing what it was doing to her. 
You've dealt so well with teh aftermath of the rape up to this point, adn Buffy's reaction to everything, that this just throws the whole thing out of whack. 
I'm sorry to be critical...
Uh... I'm not really sure how this is throwing the whole thing out of whack. You're absolutely right in that the story is about the aftermath of the rape, and Buffy's reaction, and if you think Buffy is just going to let Spike off the hook for this, then you're not reading the same story I'm writing. Spike is still an evil vampire - this is season 4, and it's been heavily foreshadowed that he wasn't a good guy, so anyone expecting him to end up a saint should have looked elsewhere by now. Buffy is going to have to come to terms with who he is and what he's done, the same way she had to come to terms with being raped. I'm not sure why you'd expect this development to be dealt with any differently than the rest of the story.

Cheryl
08/28/2008 01:12 pm
OOhhh - twisty bit!  Loved it, and more, more, more please!
Thank you! So glad you're enjoying it! :)